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  Terri Agnew:Dear all, Welcome to the LACRALO Monthly  call on Monday, 20 July 2015 at 23:00 UTC

  Terri Agnew:meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/cqw0Aw

  Aída Noblia:Hola a todos

  Aída Noblia:entro en un rato

  Maricarmen Sequera:hola

  Terri Agnew:Hello Aida and Maricarmen, we will begin in 22 minutes

  cristian casas:buenas noches a todos

  Terri Agnew:@Milo, I sent you a private chat on AC

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:Hola a todos!

  Juan Manuel Rojas:Hola a todos

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:hola Juan!!!

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:Hola aida y maricarmen!!!

  Juan Manuel Rojas:;)

  Terri Agnew:Como recordatorio, por favor silenciar cuando no se habla

  Juan Manuel Rojas:si

  Juan Manuel Rojas:hay mucho ruido

  Terri Agnew:@Milo, I was able to hear you in the ES channel

  javier chandia:hola a todos

  Juan Manuel Rojas:por favor pongan mute a sus telefonos

  javier chandia:ok

  Johnny Laureano:Buenas tardes a todos

  Vanda:hi all

  Juan Manuel Rojas:Hola a todos

  Vanda:hola a todos .

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:hola Johnny hermano!

  Silvia Vivanco:Hola a todos

  Silvia Vivanco:Bienvenidos

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:Abrazo Vanda

  Johnny Laureano:Hola Sergio

  Silvia Vivanco:Hello all

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:Feliz dia del amigo a todos!

  Juan Manuel Rojas:En Colombia hoy celebramos nuestra independencia

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:Feliz dia Colombianos!

  javier chandia:felicidades

  Jason Hynds:Hello everyone

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:hi Jason!

  Juan Manuel Rojas:El sonido en el telefono ya mejoró. Hay mucho menos ruido ahora.

  Silvia Vivanco:Alberto deseas un dial out

  Jason Hynds:Hi Sergio.

  Vanda:hi all I changed to English channel

  Fatima Cambronero:hola a todos/ hello everyone

  Vanda:hola Sergio.

  Aída Noblia:Hola a toods

  Alan Greenberg:Glad to be able to join today.  Often have conflicts.

  Vanda:hi Alan

  Alberto Soto:@Silvia, estoy en linea Silvia

  Silvia Vivanco:Hola Alberto, gracias Bienvenido

  Alberto Soto:Hola a todos!!

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Hello everyone!

  Vanda:hola Alberto . me cambie al canal inglés

  Silvia Vivanco:estamos esperando que se completen los dial outs

  Alberto Soto:Ok Vanda

  Silvia Vivanco:completing dial outs

  Silvia Vivanco:we are still gathering

  Vanda:ok gracias Silvia

  alfredo lopez:hola a todos

  Niran Beharry:Good night all

  Juan Manuel Rojas:Silvia se escucha muy bajo

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:silvia se te escucha muy lejos

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:ahi si

  Jason Hynds:Hi Niran.

  bartlett Morgan:hello all

  Niran Beharry:Hi Jason

  Vanda:welcome!

  Silvia Vivanco:Antonio Medina Bienvenido

  Silvia Vivanco:su participacion sera anotada

  Silvia Vivanco: LACRALO documents currently under commentPROPUESTA DE PROCEDIMIENTO DE LACRALO PARA LA ELABORACION, EMISION Y PUBLICACION DE DECLARACIONES / PROPOSAL DE LACRALO FOR THE PREPARATION, ISSUANCE AND PUBLICATION OF STATEMENTSPROPUESTA DE PROGRAMA DE RECLUTAMIENTO DE NUEVAS ALSs / NEW ALS ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM PROPOSALPROPUESTA DE METRICAS /PROPOSAL OF METRICS

  Terri Agnew:Propuesta de procedimiento de LACRALO para la elaboración, emisión y publicación de Declaraciones (Fátima Cambronero) / Proposal of LACRALO Procedure for the Preparation, Issuance and Publication of Statements (Fátima Cambronero): https://community.icann.org/x/C67hAg

  Silvia Vivanco:Terri has posted the link the document

  Silvia Vivanco:above you can see the EN/ES and comments

  Terri Agnew:Aislan Vargas Basilio has joined

  Silvia Vivanco:the history of the document can be seen

  Carlton Samuels:Hello everybody

  Silvia Vivanco:Welcome Carlton

  Terri Agnew:Welcome Carlton Samuels

  Vanda:hi Carlton

  Aíslan Vargas Basilio:Hello everybody

  Silvia Vivanco:Metricas (previous version) is here : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=51413649

  Silvia Vivanco:the final document is being  translated

  Niran Beharry:welcome carlton

  Juan Manuel Rojas:Si Fatima

  Silvia Vivanco:mas cerca al microfono

  Silvia Vivanco:por favor Fatima

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:QUESTION: Re: final document for the proposal of LACRALO Procedure for the Preparation, Issuance and Publication of Statements ; which column is the final text - the left column or the right column ?

  Humberto Carrasco:DEv

  Humberto Carrasco:on the left

  Humberto Carrasco:if you clik where it says

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Thanks, just wanted to be sure, as I was seeing comments in both columns

  Terri Agnew:Finding noisey line on english channel

  Humberto Carrasco:see word document

  Humberto Carrasco:it is easy

  Humberto Carrasco:easier

  Fatima Cambronero:thanks @Alan

  Alan Greenberg:It is a difficult problem...

  Vanda:I am part of the group but the task actually has not started . Holly is in vacation and will combe back next week

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Also re: engagement of ALSes, this issue of engagement is one of the issues to be looked at by the new At-Large Outreach and Engagement WG

  Fatima Cambronero:yes, it is @Alan. We are trying to elaborate the metrics of LACRALO for a long time

  Terri Agnew:PROPUESTA DE PROGRAMA DE RECLUTAMIENTO DE NUEVAS ALSs / NEW ALS ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM PROPOSAL: https://community.icann.org/x/Aa7hAg

  Terri Agnew:Proposal of Mectrics / Propuesta de metricas: https://community.icann.org/x/kYIQAw

  Terri Agnew:Eduardo Mendez has joined

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Look forward to seeing the documents once translated and posted to the wiki

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:Bienvenido Venezuela

  Eduardo Méndez (Internauta Venezuela):Buenas tardes, muchas gracias Sergio, saludos a todos

  Terri Agnew:Presencias – Attendees: https://community.icann.org/x/soNCAw

  Alan Greenberg:The ALAC and RALO process are happening at the same time and there will be people involved in BOTH and a lot of exchange of ideas (I hope!!)

  Vanda:beienvenido Eduardo.

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:tic tac tic tac

  Silvia Vivanco:En el ultimo webinar hubieron 19 participantes de 9 ALses

  Terri Agnew:Eduardo Rojas and Gilberto Lara have joined

  Gilberto Lara:Hola, disculpas por la demora

  Alan Greenberg:Part of current difficulty in participation is we need to send more information to ALSes that can be understood (both language and technology level). And that is a job that RALO may not have resources to create.

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:Hola Gilberto!!!!!

  Fatima Cambronero:y cada vez vamos a tener más correos,eso no lo puede solucionar el RALO. Hay más correos porque hay màs procesos corriendo en paralelo

  Silvia Vivanco:Una idea es abrir carpetas y "reglas" en su programa de mail para auto archivar por temas, o por listas para categorizar sus emails

  Lance Hinds:Alan you are correct

  Eduardo Méndez (Internauta Venezuela):Estoy de acuerdo Alberto, formar parte de una ALS implica un compromiso de participación

  Alan Greenberg:If we can get translation working well on the LAC-Discuss list, perhaps we can then use it for other ALAC/At-Large/ICANN lists as well.

  Terri Agnew:@Carlton, your audio is breaking up

  Alan Greenberg:Translation of other list to Spanish will not help people contribute, but at least can be informed.

  Alan Greenberg:So it is a first step.

  Vanda:@alan. yes. could be a first step

  Lance Hinds:Agreed Carlton

  Silvia Vivanco:Interpreter cannot interpret due to bad line, apologies

  Silvia Vivanco:Carlton, perhaps you can write your ideas on this chat

  Niran Beharry:was wondering about the translation

  Vanda:thank you Carlton. it was difficult bu in english channel we could mroe or less follow your thoughts

  Terri Agnew:Welcome  Harold Arcos

  Carlton Samuels:I'm hearing everybody perfectly in the English channel. 

  Harold Arcos Internauta Venezuela:Saludos Terri y todas todos, disculpen la hora

  Carlton Samuels:This is what I'm talking about.  The operational support sometimes makes it so damn difficult to voulnteer!

  Silvia Vivanco:Bienvenido Harold

  Lance Hinds:Are we comfortable the ALSs in LACRALO clearly understand the issues?

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Indeed,. re: lack of discussion of policy issues in LACRALO calls - also not featuring the work of ALSes in At-Large WGs

  Carlton Samuels:The language processes isa challenge not just to Spanish speakers but to braoder Caribbean participation. We must make it easier to engage

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:Heyyyyyy Harold Abrazos desde Argentina

  Alan Greenberg:Although Language is ONE problem, it is not the only one. In At-Large, we have a lot of problem with participation from English-speaking ALSes.

  Fatima Cambronero:agree @Alan

  Fatima Cambronero:+1 @Dev

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large%20Reports%20from%20WGs,%20RALOs%20and%20Liaisons

  Carlton Samuels:So I identified language as one. And I was going on to indicate another; the fact that most ALS have other matters that have NOTHING to do with ICANN names policy development.

  Carlton Samuels:I was using Gilberto's Lara's ALS events to make that point

  Alan Greenberg:Carlton, correct!  We do not even try to see if there is a real interest before we accept a new ALS!

  Carlton Samuels:the 3rd point is the mode we choose to particiapte. Dev just spoke about it!

  Terri Agnew:Welcome Alejandro Pisanty

  Vanda:yes. several issues is not easy for newcomers to understand and become interested since some times they can not see interest in participating. I have been wotking with even with ISPs and to make them itnerested on ICANN I needed to change the way to talk showing more points of itnerest linking issues to their reality...

  Carlton Samuels:I am on WGs that have weekly calls that deals with specific issues which are not being discussed in LACRALO.

  Juan Manuel Rojas:+1 Carlton

  Terri Agnew:@Johnny, we are unable to hear you, please check your mute button

  Fatima Cambronero:@Carlton, IANA transition is not being discussed in LACRALO as well, altough I sent several emails about that . The same thing wiht accountability

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:I've been working very to document the issues re: mailing list translation issues in the At-Large Technology Taskforce - its will now be a standing Action Item for ICANN to focus on the problem

  Johnny Laureano:Lo siento, parece que tengo un problema en el microfono

  Jason Hynds:That is an important point Carlton. That some ALSes may not have been created for a single issue or even a specific ICANN focus. Locally, I find a challenge bringing ICANN on the local agenda at times and difficult encouraging local participation at the appropriate frequency that may be appropriate. Some LACRALO participants seem to be quite long serving and steeped in the history of LACRALO. Sometimes it feels like a conversation with a 15-year veteran does place the newer members at a disadvantage. I guesss the solution to that is better orientation. My local ALS has annual elections, the representative could conceivable change with the administration. Even if it does not, new members need a good on-ramp to participation, I'm interested in having an active local working group following multiple ICANN interests. This requires a lot of orientation, effective communicaton etc.

  Juan Manuel Rojas:London left a lot of work to do, there are many WG doing that through WG. That's is just one way.

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:The slides about the LACRALO mailing list can be found at https://community.icann.org/x/V5o0Aw

  Alan Greenberg:Johnny is very correct.. Start small.

  Carlton Samuels:@Fatima: +1.  And I'm not surprised. Because just to follow those VERY intricate issues you MUST participate in the discussions at the WG level. It takes time to learn. And you will not learn unless you spend the time, like you are doing, actually participating in the WG

  Johnny Laureano:Escribiré:   Es necesario darle el peso necesario a las causas manifestadas por Fatima Cambronero, muy precisas. Debe revisarse los mecanismos de incentivos de participacion. LACRALO debe tener una Secretaria Tecnica, ICANN debe financiar los gastos de capacitacion y participacion de al menos una persona de cada ALS de la region. ICANN necesita que los USUARIOS FINALES sean representados, por tanto, lo hará sin problemas.

  Vanda:+ 1 fatima.

  Carlton Samuels:@Vanda: Vanda knows how much it takes to even get to a point where you can meaningfully contribute.  Even if you just join the WG to listen you will learn more than read an email

  Fatima Cambronero:yes, @Carlton :S

  Vanda:@ carlton. you right. people need at least attend webinars, listen other comments or doubts to start to understand what is relevant about the issue

  Terri Agnew:Johnny tiene ahora de audio

  Alan Greenberg:Who is speaking now?

  Silvia Vivanco:Alberto is speaking

  Vanda:johnny

  Vanda:?

  cristian casas:Gracias Alberto por tu atento y calido comentario

  Juan Manuel Rojas:muy fuerte y muy ruidoso

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Yes to joining the WGs to participate, even to follow at first in the discussions

  Maricarmen Sequera:el micrófono está muy alto.

  javier chandia:aléjate un poco del micrófono, se escuchará mejor....

  Alejandro Pisanty:gracias Javier, espero haber hecho ese cambio

  Silvia Vivanco: Las encuestas de evaluacion de los Webinars no fueron contestadas, solo la ultima tuvo 12 respuestas

  Vanda:why not make a survey and get more concrete answers - could also be without  identification

  Silvia Vivanco:The  Capacity building Webinars are followed by an Evaluation survey  to gather feedback

  Silvia Vivanco:however people did not respond, the last survey was responded by some

  Vanda:@ alejandro -a gree we need more policy issues  internally to LAcralo

  Fatima Cambronero:Natalia and I made that survey @Vanda at the begining of the Capacity Building program

  Silvia Vivanco:no se le entendio a Alejandro

  Silvia Vivanco:talvez si puede escribir sus ideas Alejandro

  Silvia Vivanco:Mocion formal de Alejandro.......

  Silvia Vivanco:no le entendi

  Vanda:yes, remember, but we have lots of new comers and could be interesting to have their views.

  Silvia Vivanco:si le puedo pedir a Humberto repetir la mocion de Alejandro por favor

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:Alejandro no puede comnprender lo que decias...podras escribirlo?

  Carlton Samuels:Let me say this.  We need to create more seasoned representatives so that our first line representatives can take a rest. It is not happening as we would have hoped.  And I'm not sure how we find and develop the replacement representatives!

  Humberto Carrasco:Estimado Aleajndro. ¿Puedes enviar un email con la moción?

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:@Carlton - indeed

  Fatima Cambronero:agree @Carlton

  cristian casas:Adhiero a Humberto, gracias

  Alejandro Pisanty:aquí va: 1. que la Presidencia y la Secretaría hagan una agenda de temas de políticas para su discusión

  Silvia Vivanco:okay tomo nota Alejandro

  Silvia Vivanco:muchas gracias

  Alejandro Pisanty:2. que los primeros 30' de cada sesión mensual se dediquen a temas sustantivos de debate de políticas en curso en consultas públicas de ICANN

  Alejandro Pisanty:Ésta es una moción formal.

  Niran Beharry:Takes time to get up to speed @carlton

  Humberto Carrasco:ok

  Humberto Carrasco:que como item de acci+´´on entonces

  Alejandro Pisanty:Pido a Presidencia y Secretaría no descartarla como en la práctica lo hicieron con mi moción de objetivos de evaluación de la participación, que tuvo consenso de Carlton, Jacqueline y varios más

  Humberto Carrasco:quise decir de "acción"

  Vanda:I can second tAlejandro's  motion

  Humberto Carrasco:Gracias Alejandro

  Alberto Soto:@Cristian, ussted se las merece

  Fatima Cambronero:no entiendo tu punto @Johny. En LACRALO somos todos representatnes de usuarios, ¿qué importa en qué trabaje cada uno? Realmente no estoy entendiendo tu punto

  Fatima Cambronero:perdón pero yo no entiendo lo que está diciendo Johny. ¿Cuántos minutos tiene cada uno para hablar?

  Silvia Vivanco:Una idea seria utilizar esta llamada mensual para revisar las consultas publicas

  Silvia Vivanco:tenemos el tema de Lance Hinds pendiente

  Silvia Vivanco:faltan 18 minutos

  Silvia Vivanco:solamente

  Lance Hinds:Connection dropped for a second

  Carlton Samuels:@Juan Manuel: +1 Join the WG at the ALAC/GNSO level and you will learn at your own pace.

  Carlton Samuels:Yes, the English-only language IS a real barrier but just hearing them in session is valuable

  Fatima Cambronero:de acuerdo Juan Manuel

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Also, there are transcripts of  WGs are available

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:so one can read them before joining a WG call

  Lance Hinds:Hello?

  Carlton Samuels:@Dev: Yessir, I forgot those!

  cristian casas:Pido disculpas pero debo ausentarme por motivos personales, Buenas noches

  Silvia Vivanco:Gracias por su participacion Cristian

  Juan Manuel Rojas:@Carlton I will do. ;)

  cristian casas:Estamos en contacto, gracias a ustedes por su calidez y apoyo

  sergio salinas porto Internauta Argentina:chau cristian!

  Humberto Carrasco:chao Casas

  alfredo lopez:Chao Cristian

  Alberto Soto:Bye Cristian

  javier chandia:chao Cristian

  Harold Arcos Internauta Venezuela:Recuperando conexión. Mis disculpas.

  Carlton Samuels:@Sergio: He actually said he wears a lot of hats, one of them he owns an ICT service company

  Eduardo Méndez (Internauta Venezuela):Coincido con los comentarios expresados por Sergio y Alejandro

  Carlton Samuels:He's also President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.

  Carlton Samuels:This is not unusual in the Caribbean; we multitask!

  Harold Arcos Internauta Venezuela:De acuerdo con la perspectiva presentada por Salinas de Argentina. Mismo caso, sobre la pertinencia de participación en grupo de usuarios, planteamos con el caso: IEEE

  Alejandro Pisanty:we all multitask but we separate our interests and have primary and secondary

  Heidi Ullrich:For the record, Lance has posted his SOI  as well as posted his EOI  in response to his nomination. 

  Fatima Cambronero:agree @Vanda about the EoI

  Alejandro Pisanty:Heidi, link?

  Terri Agnew:Lance Hinds SOI: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Lance+Hinds+SOI

  Vanda:i  @ heidii could not open it... thank you

  Heidi Ullrich:SOI - https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Lance+Hinds+SOI

  Heidi Ullrich:EOI in message sent on 8 May

  Fatima Cambronero:el conflicto de interés, en general, no es discutible

  Carlton Samuels:Here's MY own: I am Chairman of the National ICT Advisory Council of Jamaica, Chairman of the Board of Management Kingston High School, Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors, Tivoli gardens High School, Member, Board of HEART/National Training Agency; Member, National Advisory Council on Libraries and Information Units, Member, Computing Education Standards Committee of the University Council of Jamaica, adjunct Professor Information Science, The University of the West Indies, Consultant on Strategy and Regulation 

  Carlton Samuels:And that just some!

  Alejandro Pisanty:is the role in the Chamber a paid position?

  Carlton Samuels:And I participate in at leat 4 ICANN WGs

  Lance Hinds:It is not a paid position

  Alejandro Pisanty:Carlton, which of those is your primary income and what are your clients?

  Lance Hinds:The Chamber of Commerce is a voluntary position

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Re: TTF work I can do a presentation

  Carlton Samuels:My primary income is from consultancy. I work for IADB, World Bank European Union

  Alejandro Pisanty:but you are obligated to promote commercial interest, in a way which is above users as clients

  Vanda:hi could read it -the SOi, but still alck more proposals/ commitments ... ref my comment.

  Alejandro Pisanty:incompatible

  Johnny Laureano: Lance es un buen candidato, debe apoyarse su nominación para ALAC

  Carlton Samuels:I just completed a IADB project. And now working a EU project.

  Lance Hinds:I am representing as the ALS

  Johnny Laureano:Las ALS tambien son multistajeholder

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Lance EOI : http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2015-May/012463.html

  Carlton Samuels:Eveything else but consultancy and teaching is VOLUNTARY and no money

  Johnny Laureano:bye.

  Humberto Carrasco:Muchas gracias

  Eduardo Méndez (Internauta Venezuela):Hasta luego, gracias

  Maricarmen Sequera:hasta luego

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:that was posted to the LACRALO list

  Gilberto Lara:hasta luego

  Bartlett Morgan 2:by all

  javier chandia:Que estén muy bien, un abrazo a todos

  Maricarmen Sequera:chau

  Vanda:thank you all. very good session

  javier chandia:byeee

  Jason Hynds:bye

  Aída Noblia:Saludos a todos

  Fatima Cambronero:bye, thanks all

  Vanda:bye!

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:take care

  Harold Arcos Internauta Venezuela:Hasta luego Saludos

  Juan Manuel Rojas:Bye all

  alfredo lopez:Hasta pronto

  Alejandro Pisanty:saludos todos/as

  Niran Beharry:bye all