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13:57:07 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
13:59:14 From Hervé Hounzandji|ISOC Bénin to Everyone:
    hi everyone
14:00:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    g'day from Aus
14:01:16 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
14:01:28 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Evening, afternoon, morning all.
14:01:46 From Dave Kissoondoyal - ICANN ALAC to Everyone:
    Hello everyone
14:02:32 From Glenn McKnight to Everyone:
    The air quality in Southern Ontario is pretty bad, can't go outside ( not a good idea for me after lung surgery)
14:03:56 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
14:03:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Take optimal care of yourself Glenn
14:05:30 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
14:06:28 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    All that Google thing was was a comparison of file extensions with TLDs.
14:06:33 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
    Ships that have sailed can still be steered.
14:07:17 From Christopher Wilkinson to Everyone:
    Umm... I thought this was about US postal codes ---CW
14:07:38 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
    Generally speaking, yes. But its all about the tools and mechanisms. Not a whole lot available in this context.
14:08:00 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    What was Google thinking in going for these gTLDs? It is difficult to be diplomatic about their abject cluelessness on this issue.
14:08:29 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    @Alan you will take the floor as soon as Jonathan finishes
14:08:52 From Glenn McKnight to Everyone:
    @Cheryl  thanks
14:09:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Good point  Alan
14:10:22 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    @Alan I was thinking the same - all good points
14:10:34 From Christopher Wilkinson to Everyone:
    @Alan  so, a kind of name collision?
14:10:38 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    @Alan and also what can we do today after so many years
14:10:51 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    so many years from delegation
14:11:05 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Step one to stopping it: coming up with a list of file extensions that we want to protect
14:11:39 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Not a confusion issue. It is an end user security issue.
14:12:22 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
    If it is a name collision issue, there should be data on this available.
14:12:55 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
    This is not really a name collision issue as defined by NCAP.
14:14:27 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
    So we believe .ZIP TLD confuse end users, but the TLD do not harm the DNS…
14:15:23 From Glenn McKnight to Everyone:
    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/05/critics-say-googles-new-zip-and-mov-domains-will-be-a-boon-to-scammers/
14:15:50 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
14:16:13 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
    So sorry for being late for this meeting.
14:16:17 From Glenn McKnight to Everyone:
    https://www.wired.com/story/google-zip-mov-domains-phishing-risks/
14:16:36 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    @Glenn thanks
14:16:45 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    Not as a solution to the issue, but as a general question, why isnt SSAC and the IETF doing enough to make the browsers and operating systems clearly distinguish between the Internet and the Intranet? Why does a web browser point to a local file when an address is typed on the browser?
14:17:15 From Naveed to Everyone:
    hard to categorize this as name collision issue. It might be problematic for end user to mix the TLD name with a file when domain name is embedded in emails etc.
14:18:07 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Mailserver admins are probably going to ban .ZIP by default.
14:18:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Mailserver admins ar..." with
14:18:30 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    (That comment is not to be taken as a position on this issue, but as a collateral, regardless of what ICANN would do on collision and created issues?
14:18:58 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    .zip has higher phishing vulnerability. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
14:19:10 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Any user who gets scammed/phished by a .ZIP will probably wonder what ICANN was thinking in allowing the gTLD.
14:19:39 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
    The only way the ones already delegated can be reserved is to show cause that they endanger stability and security of the dns. For those arguments to hold the evidence must be presented. Under circumstances I doubt we have enough to make a compelling case. So as a practical matter, the focus like Alan says is on the next round and expanding the reserved list
14:19:47 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @CW Most Brand gTLDs are unused.
14:19:59 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone:
    Replying to "Mailserver admins ar..."
    
    That would be very difficult - Zip is the standard way for send more than a few files...
14:20:35 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    The point is that we are hard on DNS practices, but totally tolerate the omissions of Operating Systems / browsers/ applications that contribute to the confusability issue
14:20:44 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Replying to "Mailserver admins ar..."
    
    Banning it at the TLD level, Alan. Some MXs will reject some TLDs.
14:21:05 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Shorter Christopher: "Use it or lose it!"
14:21:14 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
    True Sivas. But those are not within the remit of the ICANN agenda.
14:21:38 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
    Hi all sorry for being late
14:22:26 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @CW Many of the Brands gTLDs were created out of fear of trademark/brand dilution. The problem was that the Internet evolved in a different direction.
14:23:30 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    @Carlton I find it more and more difficult to agree on what is not within ICANN's remit.
14:25:08 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Simple (sort of) solution: get people who have a clue to evaluate problematic applications for the next round.
14:25:55 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
    Christopher's comments tack to the role of a regulator. And most of us who been here for awhile knows ICANN is organically disinterested in acting as a regulator.
14:26:41 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Carlton But that would run the risk of getting into the area of Content Abuse rather than DNS Abuse (clearly defined).
14:28:03 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
    I personally think that there's no technical issues with those Tld, and end users will have no problem with thos TLD, it's only another way to promote those Tld!
14:28:07 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
    @John, exactly!  And a good reason for the caution, even as some think it excessive.
14:28:37 From Christopher Wilkinson to Everyone:
    @JMcC  The presumption WAS that the Brand owners would migrate all their business to THEIR NEW gTLD.  They didn't, as I warned they wouldn't at the time ...
14:28:48 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    For argument, theoretically, if a certain hypothetical issue that hampers the DNS is seen to be beyond ICANN's remit, but hypothetically falls within IETF's remit, then it becomes imperative that ICANN prompts and impresses IETF on the issue, works with the IETF to resolve the issue. That is what is needed on anything that is argued to be outside ICANN's 'remit', and not to throw up hands
14:28:53 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
    Alan and I will need to leave the call at the top of the hour because we have a Closed Generics meeting.
14:29:17 From Glenn McKnight to Everyone:
    Please provide link for document
14:29:53 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    What messages does the community want to hear from the At-Large community
14:29:54 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @CW It was like people believed a lot of sales talk and didn't understand the complexities of moving to a different and unknown gTLD.
14:29:55 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
    @Christopher, the idea was that a new business model would have emerged...and the closed generics matter is also bound to that idea.
14:30:27 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
    Unfortunately, I have a business call in a minute, so I will need to go off audio now.  I will follow chat and transcript, but probably can't speak again before I leave.
14:30:29 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
     Great idea!
14:30:59 From Glenn McKnight to Everyone:
    part of the  Jonathan " Loop" approach:)
14:31:06 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    Thanks for adding flesh to that @Jonathan
14:31:38 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @JZ Not the 'In The Loop" movie. :)
14:32:07 From Glenn McKnight to Everyone:
    Its critical to repeat stuff but also provide concise and simple language and examples so that the ideas of 'stickiness"
14:32:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    indeed Glenn all about effective and influential messaging
14:33:00 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    If you’re interested in volunteering for a session, please feel free to log-in and add your name (or let staff know)
14:33:26 From Glenn McKnight to Everyone:
    Session reports in the part were sparse and inconsistent.  It would be great to have summaries of the sessions too.   I expect to attend all the sessions remotely and keep notes
14:33:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    yes prepopulating the session reports before the meeting will be helpful
14:33:48 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    The list isn’t exclusive, but a survey of what sessions look relevant based on the talking points/past priorities
14:33:55 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    then just a backfill is required onsite at Day 1
14:41:56 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lJCKKHvsZj2ZkADJoZBO9_3sU2F9W4q0xFyOpWxaTug/edit
14:42:05 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Thx  I was trying ti see it from the Agenda
14:42:15 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    Reacted to "https://docs.googl..." with 
14:42:25 From Natalia Filina to Everyone:
    Replying to "https://docs.google...."
    
    thx Michelle
14:42:38 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    We can do that, it’s currently available via the workspace (6.c 
14:43:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    that was not obvious ;-)
14:43:59 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Our apologies on Closed Generics, we hadn’t planned for any updates other than EPDP-IDNs for today
14:45:50 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone:
    No problem Chantelle. If you had asked me an hour ago, I would have said no comment, but the last few emails have been interesting.
14:46:36 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Reacted to "No problem Chantelle..." with ☺️
14:48:07 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    For the purposes of the DNS Abuse amendments, will operations like Netbeacon and others gain a kind of trusted notifier status?
14:48:25 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
    +1 to Alans!!
14:48:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Perfect Alan :-)
14:50:13 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    +1 Alan  Always important to provide positive feedback when there is oipportunity
14:50:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Let's act with grace  BUT the date is indeed perhaps worth a note from AG et.al.
14:50:33 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
    I am back on audio until top of the hour
14:50:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    absolutely Bill!
14:51:08 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    The operational lifetime of a Bulk Reg is often around a year.
14:51:57 From Carlton SAMUELS to Everyone:
    Based on the formula proposed for registered name holdings and the weight of the vote, I think the registrar list will not be as expansive as we fear
14:52:15 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
    so this is the fast version of the process
14:52:50 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
    We will get more in the long run by taking the win now.
14:54:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Reacted to "We will get more in ..." with 
14:54:19 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    The problem with taking a stand on Bulk Registrations is that some new gTLDs are not commercially viable without them as their business model is based on heavy discounting.
14:55:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Go with short and sweet at this point
14:55:23 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
    Agreements can always be amended again.
14:55:55 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
    Opposing the revisions means we get the status quo for even longer
14:56:38 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
    +1
14:56:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Indeed Greg and often easier than the main changes made
14:57:15 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    We will get that started
14:57:46 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
    Establishing a track record of amending rather than only ever replacing the RA/RAA will also be good
14:58:00 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Establishing a track..." with
14:58:37 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Any developments on the availability of the African DNS report?
14:58:58 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    John, the Public Comment proceeding has an ETA for August. It’s available here:
14:59:15 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/upcoming-proceedings
14:59:26 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
    Hope to see many of you next week. Safe travels. Stay safe and be kind.
14:59:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Ohh goodie
14:59:43 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Thanks, Chantelle. The report might also have some effect on the applicant support process.
15:00:17 From Dave Kissoondoyal - ICANN ALAC to Everyone:
    Thanks and bye to all
15:00:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Safe Travels  all doing so  see some of you in DC... Bye for now then
15:00:31 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    See you soon
15:00:32 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
    Safe travel to the travellers
15:00:34 From Dave Kissoondoyal - ICANN ALAC to Everyone:
    Safe travels all
15:00:47 From Hervé Hounzandji|ISOC Bénin to Everyone:
    bye
15:00:51 From Natalia Filina to Everyone:
    safe travels to all! Thanks for this meeting
15:00:53 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Thanks and later all.
15:00:53 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    Thank you, bye and safe travels...
15:00:54 From Hervé Hounzandji|ISOC Bénin to Everyone:
    safe travels all
15:00:59 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    TKS. I have registered for online participation @ ICANN 77. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
15:00:59 From Nthabiseng Pule to Everyone:
    Thank you
15:01:00 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    Thank you all -bye