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Attendees:
Members: Sebastien Bachollet, Tijani Ben Jemaa, Alan Greenberg, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Leon Sanchez, Athina Fragkouli, Julia Wolman, Becky Burr, Steve DelBianco, Thomas Rickert, Bruce Tonkin, Par Brumark, Robin Gross, Mathieu Weill, Olga Cavalli (15)
Participants:Staff: Adam Peake, Bart Boswinkel, Berry Cobb, Brenda Brewer, Grace Abuhamad, Theresa Swinehart
Apologies: Alice Munyua, Eberhard Lisse
**Please let Grace know if your name has been left off the list (attendees or apologies).**
Proposed Agenda:
1. Welcome & Roll Call & Statements of Interest
2. Membership Updates
3. Work Area Updates
- WA1 – David Maher / Samantha Eisner
- WA2 – Steve DelBianco
- WA3 – Avri Doria
- WA4 – Eric Brunner-Williams
4. Coordination between CWG and ICG
5. Expectations for the F2F
6. AOB
7. Closing Remarks
Action Items
Staff: Adam Peake, Bart Boswinkel, Berry Cobb, Brenda Brewer, Grace Abuhamad, Theresa Swinehart
Apologies: Alice Munyua, Eberhard Lisse, Sean Ojedeji; Barrack Otieno; James Bladel; Izumi Okutani
**Please let Grace know if your name has been left off the list (attendees or apologies).**
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Proposed Agenda:
1. Welcome & Roll Call & Statements of Interest
2. Membership Updates
3. Work Area Updates
- WA1 – David Maher / Samantha Eisner
- WA2 – Steve DelBianco
- WA3 – Avri Doria
- WA4 – Eric Brunner-Williams
4. Coordination between CWG and ICG
5. Expectations for the F2F
6. AOB
7. Closing Remarks
Notes
Important Notes from Staff:
Statements of Interest/Wiki Accounts: There are still some SOIs to be completed, and a few have contacted me to get Wiki accounts. Unfortunately, since ICANN is closed right now, the accounts have not been created yet.
Face to Face Meeting in Frankfurt:
All CCWG participants and observers planning to attend the F2F in person must confirm their attendance by 7 January. There is a deadline because we will need to make logistical arrangements in advance (room seating, etc).
Notes:
Chairs have reached out to Theresa regarding engagement with Advisors. She will respond shortly.
Update on WA1 (David Maher)
Working on expanding the current chart on Accountability inventory
Suggestions have been made to include contracts between ICANN and registries
Is there a deadline for the inventory? Mathieu suggests that the latest be by Frankfurt F2F meeting
ACTION: David/WA1 to include Tijani's comments
Update on WA2 (Steve DelBianco)
Latest document for WA2 is https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/51414327/WorkArea2%20Accountability%20suggestions%20%5Bdraft%205.1%5D.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1419814534000&api=v2
CWG items are on page 1, in red.
Updates since last call:
- David Johnson joined the process and contributed an item to the document
- Izumi O. and Athina Fragkouli suggested some items move to WS2
- Malcolm Hutty suggested an item for WS1
- Daniel Castro added an item to WS2 (open data transparency rules)
- Guru Acharya suggested items related to Contract Co. for WS2 which can perhaps be merged with David Johnson's comments
- Carlos Gutierrez added items to WS2
Suggests discussion of rationale for why items are categorized as WS1 and linked to the transition. That currently the list over burdening work of the group
ACTION: Avri to send ATRT items to WS2
ACTION: Staff to verify that Avri is added to WA2 mailing list
ACTION: Staff to assist with making sure documents are posted in a way that is more easily accessible
Necessary to delineate the work of the CWG, ICG and CCWG. Question of whether CCWG to contribute to the ICG, mindful of the CCWG Charter [parked for later discussion on this call]
Charter notes that implementation and operational accountability are not within the scope of the CCWG.
Important for CCWG and CWG to coordinate closely on timeline.
What does "committed to" actually mean? To be discussed further.
Athina requests that for accountability items that require technical changes (eg change of bylaws) ICANN staff clarifies the process and the time needed for them.
ACTION: Recap of definitions of WS1/WS2 for mailing list and discussion next week.
ACTION: "committed to" definifition. Staff to identify a list of options for "committed to" and share on the list
ACTION: Staff to take on Athina's suggestion
ACTION: Chairs to work with Bruce Tonkin regarding Singapore
Update on WA3 (Avri Doria):
Wiki list is available here https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/WA3+-+CWG-CCWG+issue+matrix
The CWG will submit a proposal to the ICG. The CCWG work does not go through the ICG.
ACTION: Co-chairs will confirm with ICG that there is a shared understanding.
Update on WA4 (Mathieu on behalf of Eric):
Still lacking an initial list, but there is enough material now to come up with a list for the next meeting.
ACTION : provide initial list before next meeting
Bruce Tonkin will help get a list from the Board Risk Committee to use as input into WA4.
Coordination between CWG and ICG
Update by Avri Doria: Today, 1st draft of analysis was presented on CWG call. There are 16 different categories where there is analysis being conducted to try and get a better picture. There are other groups that are also doing analysis and will be contributed to the work.
Greg Shatan: upcoming work weekend (10-11 January) to help with the short timeline.
Thomas suggests producing a general statement for the CWG since there is a tight timeline for both groups.
Alan also suggests considering whether the CWG proposal is legally possible.
Steve suggests that we be specific about the kind of mechanisms that we are suggesting (e.g. CCWG considering mechanisms of redress and review to allow the community override decisions of the ICANN board). Would help CWG to avoid devising their own redress and review mechanisms
Thomas notes that we want to make sure that there is no friction between the two groups and their work.
We cannot come up with developed ideas yet because we have just started our work.
5. Expectations for the F2F
24 participants have confirmed they will attend. 3 are participants or observers. 2 members, please send your confirmation. Please confirm by 7 January.
Remote participation will be provided.
Contact Grade for details/any questions.
Expectations about the meeting, what to achieve by the end of the meeting in terms of content. Mathieu (1) work to finalized on scope and definition of work (scope of accountability, who should ICANN be accountability to) Co-chairs working on a draft proposal
(2) Discussion of WS1 and WS2 and what the outcome of WS1 should be by the end of the F2F
(3) Some conclusions for WA1, 2 and contingencies agreed on by the end of the meeting.
So there is opportunity for community comment during the Singapore meeting.
ACTION: to circulate with the notes potential outcomes for the Frankfurt meeting for comments and preparation of the meeting.
6. Any other Business
CCWG will attempt to schedule a meeting with the Board in Singapore. One of the issues will be expectations of how the Board will treat the CCWG proposals.
Bruce Tonkin noted difference between his providing personal comments to the group, and formal response from the Board. He will take requests from the group for Board comment and provide a response.
7. Closing Remarks
Next Meeting: 6 January at 12:00 UTC. To view a full list of upcoming meetings, please see the Wiki here: https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Meetings
Transcript
The transcript is available here:
CCWG ACCT #4 Dec 30 Transcript.pdf
CCWG ACCT #4 Dec 30 Transcript.docTranscript
Recording
The Adobe Connect recording is available here: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p1sx502yz7c/
The audio recording is available here:
https://icann.box.com/shared/static/jf0c0z5g7f18xji6y1jj.mp3
Documents Presented
In-Person Attendees.pdfDocuments Presented
Chat Transcript
Brenda Brewer: Good Day Everyone! Welcome to the CCWG Accountability conference call on December 30 at 19:00 UTC.
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