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Sub-group Members: Alan Greenberg, Beth Bacon, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Herb Waye, Jeff Neuman, Jordan Carter, Julf Helsingius, Klaus Stoll, Pam Little, Philip Corwin (9)
Observers/Guests: Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong, Beth Bacon (2)
Staff: Bernie Turcotte, Brenda Brewer
Apologies: Avri Doria
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
Recording
The Adobe Connect recording is available here: The audio recording is available here:
Agenda
1. Intro: agenda review, attendance, SOI check
2. Detailed discussion-seeking feedback on working draft Document A v 1.3
- Document, open to comments and suggested edits, can be found at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wGRrJZ-i7WA0uYBIHaB5Q3ssqfRmbAcgHJwlQ6scHZY/edit
- Marked up from previous version at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXuZw-VFeMLT3B5UHLU_nY1SWyzp6-VLeVZF1FY0UDk/edit
3. Initial discussion / seeking feedback on First Draft Document B
- Avri is rapporteur on this document
- Available: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UnkJuukv0px-CfIDgLrjdDZa2CpBvSahPvAXdYYTeHk/edit[docs.google.com]
4. Volunteers for response to Staff Questions
- Avri has prepared a document for answers to
- the questions that staff asked the group, available at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ELuw6i3mGAjnZBe0Vc_lraNQrWw5m_I6UyipEHaRJxc/edit[docs.google.com] - Who would like to volunteer to draft some further answers?
5. Schedule check
6. AOB
Notes
(11 participants at start of call)
1. Intro: agenda review, attendance, SOI check
Jordan Carter: Avri Doria will not be able to join the call today.
2. Detailed discussion-seeking feedback on working draft Document A v 1.3Document, open to comments and suggested edits,
Jordan Carter: JC,AD and KS have cleaned up the document from the 5th of Jauary - still needs a lot of tidying up to get it to first reading. Asking participants to post comments on the clean version of the the Google doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wGRrJZ-i7WA0uYBIHaB5Q3ssqfRmbAcgHJwlQ6scHZY/edit#heading=h.gjdgxs
Klaus Stoll: Would ask everyone to read the document and comment so we can go into a final editing.
Jordan Carter: (presentation of the structure document).
Klaus Stoll: The first three sections are a rehash of existing document - as such asking a reader to go through 6 pages of introduction - so maybe we could bring our recommendations more at the beginning could be better.
Jordan Carter: If a good idea we should be clear about what is standard and what is editorial from us. Anything on the Role Descriptions? (none). Anything on relationships?
Pam Little: 1.3.1 Root or just the DNS?
Jordan Carter: we should use standard language.
Jeff Neuman: Community does not implement policy - is this correct and we should note the gNSO work on this.
Jordan Carter: please share that link. So the language is not quite right yet. Back to Relationships section 2.
Jeff Neuman: I will try to find a good reference
Jordan Carter: Section 3 - any comments.
Pam Little: second para - ending - "some important differences" could be removed as we are talking about similarities here.
Jordan Carter: Section 4 - this needs quite a bit ot tightening up. this gets close to the scope of this group and should be looked at in this light. Section 5 - Recommendations - I disagree with the financial indepence recommendation (registries and registrars should not fund ICANN).
Pam Little: @Jeff - ICANN provided a detailed response to our questions.
Jeff Neuman: I agree with removal of that bullet point
Alan Greenberg: how would this funding recommendation work?
Klaus Stoll: This financial relationship sometimes leads to conflicts and so we should look at better way to fund us to avoid this.
Jeff Neuman: @Klaus - But you are assuming there is a problem
Jeff Neuman: where is the evidence of that?
Alan Greenberg: Agree there is an issue but would not resolve it this way. This resolution makes no sense as is.
Klaus Stoll: If we do the second part we would be out of the scope of this sub-group.
Jordan Carter: There is something there that could put pressure on staff to dealing with those participants who fund the company.
Alan Greenberg: No problem with identifying the issue but the recommendation does not make sense.
Jeff Neuman: We need to identify sources of information for sections 1 and 2 - otherwise causes confusion for the reader.
Jordan Carter: the original longer version of this did have that and we have to bring some of that back.
Phil Corwin: Agree that the financial recommendation does not make sense. Second the funds to come from registrants up though registrars and registrants. The funds are used to get a variety of participants in ICANN. We need a document that will identify remedies for issues with staff.
Jordan Carter: That is for document A.
Klaus Stoll: It would be good to make these comments in the documents would be very helpful.
Jordan Carter: reminder to participants to please read and comment the document.
3. Initial discussion / seeking feedback on First Draft Document B - Avri is rapporteur on this
Jordan Carter: Waiting for access to documents.
Bernard Turcotte: Staff should have a response on thiss by the end of next week.
Jordan Carter: We will not go into detail on this document here while we wait for access to the ICANN documents which would inform our work in drafting this further.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UnkJuukv0px-CfIDgLrjdDZa2CpBvSahPvAXdYYTeHk/edit
4. Volunteers for response to Staff QuestionsAvri has prepared a document for answers to the questions that staff asked the group
Jordan Carter: Who would like to volunteer to draft some further answers?
Klaus Stoll: The answer to these questions are mostly in sections 4 and 5 of our document. I could spend some time to attempt a draft answer for us to consider.
Jordan Carter: Great thanks.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): we need to send / resend the links to docs again to our
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): list with reminder to contribute
5. Schedule check
Jordan Carter: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ftd-Ps_qF46pf_iXf5foGjdUfCq64-St_43inFetDN0/edit --- this is our Next Steps
Jordan Carter: We are running a little late vs this schedule. We may not have docs A and B to the plenary prior to Copenhagen but should have one ready for Copenhagen.
6. AOB
- Jordan Carter: AOB (none) – Adjourned
Action Items:
- Participants to read A and B document by EOB Monday and provide comments for drafting team- JC to send reminder to list.
- Staff to provide answer to sub-group on access to documents by 27 January 2017.
- Klaus Stoll to draft answers to Staff Questions for consideration by group by 27 Janaury 2017.
Action Items
- Participants to read A and B document by EOB Monday and provide comments for drafting team- JC to send reminder to list.
- Staff to provide answer to sub-group on access to documents by 27 January 2017.
- Klaus Stoll to draft answers to Staff Questions for consideration by group by 27 Janaury 2017.
Documents Presented
- CLEANCOPYStaffAcct-DocA-workingdraft.docx.pdf
- StaffAcct-DocB.pdf
- ResponsetoStaffQuestions.pdf
- ProposednextstepsforStaffAccountabilityWS2.pdf
Chat Transcript
Brenda Brewer: (1/19/2017 10:42) Good day and welcome to Staff Accountability Subgroup Meeting #8 on 19 January 2017 @ 19:00 UTC!
Julf Helsingius: (10:56) Good evening!
Jordan Carter: (10:58) hi all!
Julf Helsingius: (10:58) Bernard: your mic gain is pretty high
George Sadowsky: (10:58) hello
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (10:59) @Juf - ok
Jordan Carter: (11:00) hi all, we'll kick off in one minute
Herb Waye Ombuds: (11:00) Greetings all...
Julf Helsingius: (11:00) Bernard: was just getting a bit distorted
Julf Helsingius: (11:00) Must be getting interesting for those of you based in DC...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:07) so sorry ð to be late
Jordan Carter: (11:08) welcome cheryl
Jeff Neuman: (11:14) What is the source for all of Section 1
Jeff Neuman: (11:16) I will try to find a good reference
Pam Little: (11:23) @Jeff - ICANN provided a detailed response to our questions.
Jeff Neuman: (11:23) I agree with removal of that bullet point
Jeff Neuman: (11:25) @Klaus - But you are assuming there is a problem
Jeff Neuman: (11:25) where is the evidence of that?
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:29) time check 30 minutes left in call
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:31) exactly Phil
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:32) and support does not mean behold
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:33) beholden to in s Transparency model that is effective it can be demonstrated as independent
Jordan Carter: (11:33) yeah - if you could add a comment in B doc that would be awesome
Jeff Neuman: (11:39) I agree....hard to comment on the spot
Alan Greenberg: (11:39) URL for Doc B?
Jeff Neuman: (11:40) Thanks Jordan!
Alan Greenberg: (11:40) Thanks Chat transcript an easy way to find it.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:41) we need to send / resend the links to docs again to our
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:41) list with reminder to contribute
Jordan Carter: (11:43) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1Ftd-2DPs-5FqF46pf-5FiXf5foGjdUfCq64-2DSt-5F43inFetDN0_edit&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=4pdG1Xm1Xav-8EAMjOCjApeX98RNg8BZTjWhzjrs55A&s=P7Ndg0n7Hj1XzT1OISOKTrM-5KyQK9CB0YUfQPzRejU&e= --- this is our Next Steps
Jeff Neuman: (11:43) Is there a link for the questions doc as well?
Jeff Neuman: (11:45) right
Jordan Carter: (11:45) Answers to the staff questions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1ELuw6i3mGAjnZBe0Vc-5FlraNQrWw5m-5FI6UyipEHaRJxc_edit-23heading-3Dh.22t8xi350my9&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=4pdG1Xm1Xav-8EAMjOCjApeX98RNg8BZTjWhzjrs55A&s=a1GZ3sucMwV8ftYp2Mqg6nygfC_wtlIsdjTA9VMQLSA&e=
Jeff Neuman: (11:45) sorry
Jeff Neuman: (11:45) thanks
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:46) 7day
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:47) correct
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:49) bye all
Herb Waye Ombuds: (11:49) all the best everyone
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:49) bye for now then
Jordan Carter: (11:49) thanks all!
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: (11:49) thanks and bye
