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Members: Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Donna Austin, Eduardo Diaz, Elise Lindeberg, Erick Iriarte, Graeme Bunton, Greg Shatan, Jonathan Robinson, Lise Fuhr, Olivier Crepin-Leblond, Paul Kane, Seun Ojedeji, Staffan Jonson, Vika Mpisane (15)
Participants: Alan Greenberg, Allan MacGillivray, Boyoung Kim, Chris Disspain, Christina Monti, Chuck Gomes, Desiree Miloshevic, Gary Hunt, James Gannon, Jan Scholte, Jordan Carter, Jorge Cancio, Konstantinos Komaitis, Leon Sanchez, Maarten Simon, Markus Kummer, Martin Boyle, Mary Uduma, Matthew Shears, Pedro Ivo Silva, Peter Van Roste, Phil Corwin, Pitinan Kooarmornpatana, Sarah Falvey, Stephanie Duchesneau, Wale Bakare, Wolf-Ulrich Knoben, Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (2728)
Staff: Grace Abuhamad, Marika Konings, Berry Cobb, Theresa Swinehart, David Conrad, Alice Jansen, Adam Peake, Brenda Brewer, Bernard Turcotte, Mike Brennan, Jim Trengrove, Glen de Saint Gery
Apologies: Jaap Akkerhuis, Robert Guerra
**Please let Brenda know if your name has been left off the list (attendees or apologies).**
Proposed Agenda:
DT-D (Cheryl)
DT-L (James, Matt)
DT-E (Berry)
Notes
DT-D Authorization
- See also DT summary presentation as well as document shared by DT D
- No authorization function for TLD changes is needed post-transition
- This was not totally unanimous: there was one person who disagreeed, but said he would not stand in the way
- In principle, another DT could take up the work on process steps --> DT-F may be the place for that discussion
- We may need to explain why the role is no longer needed, so we need to bulid in the rationale -- What is the rationale? With automated system deployed in 2011, there is no longer anything for NTIA to check. NTIA checks that the communication channel through which the request is transferred is secure. NTIA also checks that IANA followed its process
- Currently, the ICANN Board certifies IANA process on IANA behalf. The Board would prefer not to continue that role.
- Could you have one policy that fits both ccTLDs and gTLDs? Overall, need to check all recommendations for how they compare for gTLDs and ccTLDs (if the policy id the same or different)
DT L - IANA Functions Transition Plan Actions
- See also DT summary presentation as well as document shared by DT L
- High level operation / procedures using industry standards and best practices
- Retain technical focus, will not consider HR, IT issues, cultural issues, etc.
- Should the technical transition framework address the possibility that IANA would be separated into three parts (numbers, protocol parameters, naming) as a result of the transition? The assumption is that it goes all together so probably not worth looking at this now. Also, focus should be on naming only.
- DT to review documents received / requested from ICANN (Continuity of Operations Plan / Root KSK Plan)
- Where are the non-technical aspects of a possible transition to be dealt with? Not in DT L, but will need to be considered further by CWG as a whole.
- Requirement for transition to succesor operator (i.e. similar to business continuity plan) should also continue post-transition
DT-E - SAC69
- Form of stress test / cross check
- See document circulated to CWG mailing list
- Each recommendation has been aligned with current sections of the draft proposal and relevant DT
- Each DT recommended to review document and review the recommendation related to the respective DT - if recommendations have been mismatched, please let staff know so that the document can be updated accordingly.
- Red team = stress testing of the proposal against SAC69 and any other requirements.
DT-B - Need for IAP on ccTLD delegation and redelegation
- Appeal mechanism for ccTLD put on the table by ccTLDs to be considered - DT created.
- Limited survey in January showed agreement that there should be an appeal mechanism, however the details were not clear and no consensus to move forward.
- Survey of whole ccTLD community to see whether view is held across ccTLD community that no IAP for ccTLDs is needed.
- Awaiting closure of the survey
- Will be up to ccTLD community to show strong support that an IAP for ccTLDs would be needed, as part of the transition otherwise it should maybe be considered on a parallel track by ccTLDs.
- Verify that CCWG is covering IAP (cross-checking), but no overlap with what DT B is currently doing.
- Until survey is completed, no further work expected to be undertaken.
- For issues / disputes outside delegation / redelgation, IAP could be used provided that panelists are available with expertise in IANA
DT N - Periodic Reviews
- Scope template has basically been completed.
- Compiling reviews that are foreseeing in other DTs to use as a starting point (including timing, who does it, etc)
- Open for anyone to contribute and review (see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pjRsvePXLHrK0zzFmMcavzvSXehds5FTCEUPPcc7K6w/edit?usp=sharing)
- Keeping big picture / overview will be important to ensure that all pieces fit together
- DT to review guidance document which contains a number of suggestions
- Already requirements for audits - to consider how this may/should continue and how should review those?
DT F - Relationship NTIA, Root Zone Maintainer and IANA
- Alan Greenberg to lead
- Additional volunteers David Conrad, Cheryl Langdon-Orr
Input on DTs
- Any DTs that you'd like to see? any further progress required to produce a response to RFP? etc
- Jordan Carter: there should be a DT to design a Charter/Terms of reference for the CSC
- Chuck Gomes: there should be a DT for the IANA budget. There are two parts: input into the current budget proces (short term) and longer-term for post-transition. The third component is to coordinate and inform CCWG on budget drivers.
- Keep track of how pages we are generating for a proposal
- Support for the red team
- Need a mechanism to ensure that the CWG/CCWG coordination --> Cheryl
- Stephanie Duchesneau: DT on non-technical aspects of a transition (specifically, funding to support a separated entity)
- Look into coordination with the two groups
- Sexy pictures needed -- long proposal is a turn off
Action Items
None
Transcript
Transcript CWG IANA F2F Session 3 26 March.doc
Transcript CWG IANA F2F Session 3 26 March.pdf
Recording
The Adobe Connect recording is available here: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p1p0t40bdvk/
The audio recording is available here:
Documents Presented
http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-cwg-iana-3-26mar15-en.mp3
Chat Transcript
Grace Abuhamad: (3/26/2015 05:38) 10:30 – 11:30 UTC Lunch break
Brenda Brewer: (06:22) Welcome all to Day 1 Session 3 of the CWG Stewardship F2F Meeting.
Grace Abuhamad: (06:31) We'll be startung soon
Grace Abuhamad: (06:38) Note timestamps!
Jordan Carter (.nz, participant): (06:44) Time stamps noted :)
Paul Kane: (06:53) One of the perceived roles of NTIA is to provide liability protection to IANA and RZM
Chris Disspain: (06:54) that's a mere perception though
Paul Kane: (06:55) Yes agree ...
Seun Ojedeji: (06:58) "With automated system deployed in 2011, there is no longer anything for NTIA to check. NTIA checks that the communication channel " is this entirely the case presently? I mean NTIA does not approve change request at the moment? seem to be different from most documentations
Seun Ojedeji: (07:00) Okay i guess this part answers my question: "....NTIA also checks that IANA followed its process"
Chris Disspain: (07:07) Seun...no...NTIA relies on ICANN self certfying that IANA followed its porcess
Chris Disspain: (07:07) process
Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (07:14) As required by C.2.9.2.d, the new gTLD delegation report includesf the following statement: Documentation is provided verifying that ICANN followed its own policy framework including specific documentation demonstrating how the process provided the opportunity for input from relevant stakeholders and was supportive of the global public interest.
Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (07:16) The Delegation Report also states that "ICANN produces a “New gTLD Program String Delegation Readiness Report” that serves as a confirmation that the application submitted for the delegation of a new generic top-level domain name has completed all applicable phases of the New gTLD Program which included opportunities for input from relevant stakeholders as outlined in the Applicant Guidebook and the ICANN New gTLD Program website."
Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (07:18) Will this be retained once Section C.2.9.2.d goes away?
Donna Austin, RySG: (07:21) @Greg, I think the answer is yes because it is built into the gTLD delegation process.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:23) I note those links/interdepencies, just mentioned by James are not shown in the p7 table of our Gen. Overview doc distributed today... I assume that should be updated....
Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (07:24) @Donna, If it was built into the process only because it was required by the IANA contract, we may need to confirm that ICANN is separatelfy committed to it without a contractula requirement to do so.
Brenda Brewer: (07:24) As a reminder, please state your name for transcription purposes. Thank you
Donna Austin, RySG: (07:25) @Greg, fair point.
Seun Ojedeji: (07:26) @Chris sorry for the delayed response, i was waiting on my bandwidth to get the reference i required. Here it is: http://singapore52.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-iana/presentation-iana-department-11feb15-en page 36 of that document seem to imply differently (re: role of NTIA in RZM)
Seun Ojedeji: (07:32) The audio line is breaking please, those who speak should try to speak audibly
Seun Ojedeji: (07:33) Elise is specifically breaking up
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:33) perhaps the issue is your bandwidth today @Seun
Matthew Shears: (07:34) the section of the current plan that DT-L is related to is C.7 if anyone is intersted and as Jonathan said its about continuity planning
Seun Ojedeji: (07:35) @Cheryl actually i am on dial-out and the observation is based on my dial-out audio
Matthew Shears: (07:35) sorry C.7 in the current contract betwen NTIA and ICANN
Seun Ojedeji: (07:36) Thanks Jonathan for bringling back the group to focus
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:37) ohhh well then tech support might need to do some adjustments as the audio levels in room as very constant, that said I guess some speakers are naturally of softer voice...
Chris Disspain: (07:38) Seun can't see where on page 36 it says that NTIA certifies rather than relying on ICANN self certfying that IANA followed its porcess
Chris Disspain: (07:39) irrespective of separability good management would dictate that there is a plan for moving
Chris Disspain: (07:39) even tempoarailky
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:40) one would think so @chris, along with good disaster Max planning/ risk mitigation...
Chris Disspain: (07:40) correct
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:40) blasted auto correct. Max Mx
Seun Ojedeji: (07:41) Ah okay i guess the use of word was my confusion; certification against policy vis authorization. However if you check page 39 you may see what i meant by the role of NTIA
Seun Ojedeji: (07:42) Howver this is not to imply its required post-transition
Chris Disspain: (07:43) Seun, that's verification...they verify that ICANN has self-certified that the policy has been followed
Chris Disspain: (07:43) they do not check that the policy has been followed
Avri Doria: (07:44) this is sort of emergency transiton plan.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:44) yup
Jonathan Robinson: (07:44) @Avri - IANA EBERO
Grace Abuhamad: (07:45) *Applause*
Matthew Shears: (07:46) nice job James
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]: (07:46) Thanks Matt =)
Allan MacGillivray: (07:46) Yes, well done jqmes. bravo.
Grace Abuhamad: (07:47) This document is in the reading list
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:55) thanks @berry
Grace Abuhamad: (08:04) This was the action: Action (Cheryl): CWG to review CCWG stress tests to ensure that these address questions previously raised and/or consider whether additional stress tests/requirements need to be included. Also consider how these relate to RFP 4 work.
Seun Ojedeji: (08:08) I agree with that suggestion
Grace Abuhamad: (08:12) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pjRsvePXLHrK0zzFmMcavzvSXehds5FTCEUPPcc7K6w/edit?usp=sharing
Matthew Shears: (08:15) I think that was the oringinal intent of the MRT
Jordan Carter (.nz, participant): (08:20) "that"?
Matthew Shears: (08:20) but agree that we should be driven by need rather than structure
Grace Abuhamad: (08:28) Queue is now closed
Chris Disspain: (08:29) the perfect is the enemy of the good is attributed to Voltaire
Jordan Carter: (08:30) The perfect is also the enemy of many other things
Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (08:30) I will concede to Voltaire.
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]: (08:31) +1 Alan
Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (08:31) Sheryl Sandberg has come up with the pithier "Done is better than perfect."
Avri Doria: (08:31) one can never go wrong quoting Voltaire
Jordan Carter: (08:31) "80/20 rule"
Graeme Bunton - RrSG: (08:31) Voltaire was also a huge proponent of coffee...
Avri Doria: (08:32) or as we said in NY theater - good enough for the fifth row.
Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (08:32) “Life is a shipwreck, but we must not forget to sing in the lifeboats.” ― Voltaire
Avri Doria: (08:32) which is where the NYTimes critic sat.
Chris Disspain: (08:32) one of my favourites 'everything has been said but not everyone has said it yet'
Matthew Shears: (08:36) cartoons?
Grace Abuhamad: (08:36) Break for 15minChat Transcript