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Draft Template for Charter Question - Category B Question 2 (updated 17 March)
PPSAI Category B Question 3 - Updated 18 March 2014
MP3 Recording: http://gnso.icann.org/en/node/44533
Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-ppsa-08apr14-en.pdf
Attendees:
Luc Seufer - RrSG
Graeme Bunton – RrSG
Tim Ruiz – RrSG
Sarah Wyld – RrSG
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Kathy Kleiman – RySG
Darcy Southwell - RrSG
Libby Baney - BC
Phil Marano – IPC
Valeriya Sherman – IPC
Roy Balleste – NCUC
Holly Raiche – ALAC
Susan Prosser – RrSG
Kristina Rosette – IPC
Justin Macy – BC
Jim Bikoff – IPC
David Heasley – IPC
Amr Elsadr – NCUC
Michele Neylon – RrSG
Don Moody –IPC
Marie-Laure Lemineur – NPOC
Alex Deacon – IPC
Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP
Emily Emanuel – BC
Jennifer Standiford – RrSG
James Bladel – RrSG
Volker Greimann – RrSG
Gema Campillos – GAC
Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG
Apologies:
Carlton Samuels – ALAC
Maria Farrell – NCUC
Paul McGrady – IPC
Tobias Sattler – RrSG
ICANN staff:
Marika Konings
Mary Wong
Amy Bivins
Margie Milam
Mike Zupke
Terri Agnew
Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 08 April 2014:
Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting of 8 April 2014
Libby Baney:Good morning / afternoon
Terri Agnew:Hello Libby
Osvaldo Novoa:Hello everyone
Valeriya Sherman:Morning! David Heasley is on the call
Valeriya Sherman:also
Terri Agnew:Emily Emanuel has joined
Terri Agnew:Jennifer Standiford has joined
Terri Agnew:Michele Neylon has joined
Mary Wong:The EWG Survey Results Summary you see on screen here has been uploaded to the WG wiki.
Terri Agnew:David Heasley has joined
Terri Agnew:Susan Prosser has joined
Terri Agnew:Luc Seufer has joined
Bladel:James Bladel joined. Apologies for my tardiness.
Terri Agnew:James I have you added to attendance
Terri Agnew:Amr Elsadr has joined
Amr Elsadr:Hi. Dialling in now.
steve metalitz:Could staff circulate link to Appendix to EWG survey response summary (see reference in footnote 1)?
Mary Wong:On the EWG survey results, it may be helpful for WG members (and their respective SG/Cs) to indicate which (if any) of the findings they think useful for the WG to discuss or fold into our deliberations (and which category/question).
Terri Agnew:Marie Laure Lemineur has joined
Mary Wong:@Steve, can you clarify the document that has the FN?
steve metalitz:The doc first posted in the Adobe room this morning.
Mary Wong:Ah, thanks - we will locate and send it ASAP. Thanks!
Bladel:The first two sentences of this comment are so generally obvious as to be non-valuable.
Michele Neylon:which comment are we looking at?
Mary Wong:@Michele, the one by Jim Bikoff and his colleagues.
Graeme Bunton:now on to the 2nd comment
Luc Seufer:Basic resp. ...
Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:@Michele you can scroll through the doc
Michele Neylon:I am ..
Amr Elsadr:@Graeme: Yeah..., I thought we were still on question 2 today. I guess I missed something.
Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined
Bladel:I'll dial in.
Mary Wong:@Amr, the WG agreed to "park" the outstanding further issues from Q2 for further review, for now.
Amr Elsadr:Thanks Mary. I dialled in a few minutes late.
Mary Wong:No worries - hopefully this update will also be helpful to other WG members who may have missed it!
Amr Elsadr:+1 @Michele as well as transfer of registrant data across legal jurisdictions with a "thick" whois policy, but that's another story!! :)
Kathy Kleiman:I think what James says makes sense
Kathy Kleiman:It leaves room for the p/p services as they exist now (largely separate and independent) and in the future, where some may merge or there may be joint services
Bladel:Kathy: Yep. They could become resellers of multiple registrars.
Volker Greimann:we require the registrant to use the data of the new privacy provider into the whois _before_ a transfer
Terri Agnew:Volker I have added you to attendance
Luc Seufer:I think every country has some sort of gag order
Luc Seufer:so not sure about this distinction
Kathy Kleiman::-) Michele
Amr Elsadr:@James: Being too specific on accreditation may not be the way to go, but a blanket requirement of following due process as per the governing legal jurisdiction could work, couldn't it?
Bladel:Agree with Michele. It is up the the risk tolerance of the servie provider (and the cost).
Bladel:@Amr: Yes, that aligns with other policies and the RAA as well.
Terri Agnew:Gema Campillos has joined
Kathy Kleiman:Sanity?!
Bladel:They registered a domain name, so they must be hiding something. :)
Libby Baney:Good point Michele
steve metalitz:Agree that accreditation standards should be minimum standards.
Bladel:lol.
Libby Baney:@Michele, +1
Holly Raiche:That statement is aalready in the Final Whois Review Team Report
Bladel:+1. It's no more suspicious than an unlisted phone number or joinign the "do not call" list.
Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: +1. It would be nice that p/p customers are not by default villains. :)
Amr Elsadr:not perceived to be villains.
Kathy Kleiman:Yeah!
Kathy Kleiman:Can we codify or show strong support as a WG for Michele's comments?
Michele Neylon:which one of my comments?
Darcy Southwell:@Kathy: Totally agree that p/p customers cannot be immediately assumed to be bad actors just because they bought the service.
Amr Elsadr:@Steve: Agree on minimum standards.
Kathy Kleiman:@Darcy: tx! Let's codify that as a finding of this WG
Gema Campillos:Hi everyone, Steve is giving some sensible ideas.
Kathy Kleiman:@Michele: supporting operation of p/p under national laws (theirs)
Bladel:Agree with Steve, and that mirrors the Registrars Accrditation program.
Kathy Kleiman:Marika: 4th point - the deference to national law (in the jurisdiction of the registrar and p/p provider)
Terri Agnew:Tatiana Khramtsova has joined
Tim Ruiz:A lot has been said in the past about Registrant Rights, and a document now exists explaining those rights. So it should be perfectly clear to p/p customers as to how those rights are affected or modified by the p/p provider. My two cents.
Kathy Kleiman:Would it be possible (needed) to have a longer briefing on transfer policies and issues (for those of us who don't work on this issue regularly)?
Kathy Kleiman:something a little more formal?
Marika Konings:James actually provided a very good overview to the IRTP WG that we have recorded so I can share that
Michele Neylon:Kathy - I was going to offer bribery
Luc Seufer:If only we knew someone that has chaired IRTP WG from A to D
Bladel:Um.
Kathy Kleiman:@Michele: how much?
Amr Elsadr:Thanks Marika.
Bladel:not sure what I was just drafted for, but happy to help.
Kathy Kleiman:Tx James!
Bladel:Just ping me offline.
Amr Elsadr:hehehe..., and thanks James.
Kathy Kleiman:Tx Graeme!
Amr Elsadr:Bye all. Thanks.
Phil Marano:Thank you, goodbye.
marie-laure lemineur:tx bye bye
