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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:

Gisella Gruber:
Good morning, good afternoon and good evening everyone, this is the ALAC ExCom Conference call on Friday, 30 March 2012. And the time is 1302 UTC. We have a pretty busy agenda today so the call will last possibly an hour and a half, hopefully not more. And we will start immediately with the roll call, please.

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The first one, the At-Large Working Groups, and that was Olivier to ask the chairs of ACs and SOs if there's interested in holding an open session on SOPA in Costa Rica. Obviously there was. And of course the SOPA discussion is still very much in the news at the moment. SOPA, ACTA, everything. I think several of us attended the ccNSO section, is that correct? The question now is to basically ask the chairs of ACs and SOs, I have done that.
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Heidi Ullrich:
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:

Wiki MarkupEvan Leibovitch: Carlton Samuels:
There has been some interest to have that. And possibly actually having it on the 1st day on the Monday, Monday afternoon, what we have found is that until \ [inaudible 00:02:37\] there used to be a cross community discussion taking place on the afternoon of the Monday. This was then replaced once the new gTLD process was launched this was replaced by a number of meetings that staff were running so as to explain what the new gTLD process was, et cetera.

And it looks as though now we might be able to put those sessions back in place. What I'm pushing for is for a session like that to deal with SOPA, ACTA, government control, et cetera. Any questions or suggestions? Okay so this effectively ongoing. And I'll continue with this and there should be some news soon and of Crouse I will bring that subject again to the SO and AC chairs. Sala has asked the RALO leaders to discuss the possibility of updating the dashboards and consistency on how the information is compiled. Is this something that staff should follow up with?

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That’s true. Quite frankly Chair I am between two matters in this, registrars are the business. They come up and they get, there is a process in which there are accredited and so on. And the fact that it could be good if you have a shift of more registrars to the self and all that given the growth of the internet and so on. But I am not sure that this is something that we want to wade into too deeply. It's a question of business practice and how business

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works. What we might want to do is to use the outreach possibilities that are available to us to encourage registrar business models to develop from themselves that might help to improve the number of registrars accredited from other than the United States. It seems to me that’s one way to do it.

Wiki MarkupThis business of trying to get into - it takes some kind of action and I'm not sure we should approach it about dominance. Rather we should approach it in terms of looking to see what we can do as a part of an outreach effort to encourage business models that \ [inaudible 00:06:12\] other side of the world. That’s my feeling on it at the minute.

Okay Carlton thank you. Cheryl has put her hand up and then Alan.

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Alan Greenberg:
otherwise those metrics in their own recommendations to the ICANN Board.

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Okay Alan and I see some agreement from Cheryl as well. I think this well two things from this, we can still leave this is the hands of the Registrant Rights and Responsibilities Working Group but at the same time bearing in mind what we've just heard, I do agree that it's something which is certainly in hand and we will be able to find out if this problem is eased with the introduction of new gTLDs or if it is going in the other direction.unmigrated-wiki-markup

I would then suggest we go to the next thing capacity building session. \ [Inaudible 00:10:13\] volunteers to take the capacity

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Thank you Tijani. I think -

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Carlton Samuels: Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Carlton Samuels:
Chair?

Yes Carlton?

Wiki MarkupI think Tijani is right, we did agree on that. I mean that’s one of the reasons we thought that we should have Sala go with Sandra and the others who are leading the ICANN Academy. And work out a part of it. What she did say as I recall that there were some elements that she thought were required to make it a full summer she has in mind. And there was this as Tijani outlined or reminded us that the ICANN Academy \ [inaudible 00:13:13\] so I think what we need to do is to remind Sala to harmonize with the ICANN Academy initiative.

Thank you Carlton we have Tijani and then Rinalia. Tijani please?

Wiki MarkupThank you Sala is already on the Program Committee of the Academy so she is with us and we work together. So everything can be \ [inaudible 00:13:40\] there I think.

Okay thank you Tijani, next is Rinalia.

Wiki MarkupYes thank you. As I recall when Sala raised the issue in the meeting in Costa Rica, Olivier you said she should get other ALAC members to participate in the capacity building aspect of it first before forming a Working Group, an official one. And then in terms of \ [inaudible 00:14:08\] with the ICANN Academy there would be cross fertilization due to cross membership of the two committees.

But I think in the beginning when Sala moved to the idea she was concerned about having capacity building plugged directly under ICANN Academy because ICANN Academy is now being forced to be face to face oriented rather than the online dimension. And I think Sala is very insistent the capacity building one has more focus on the online dimension.

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Rinalia Abdul Rahim:
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
Thank you Rinalia. Actually you are all right, all of you are absolutely correct in what you're saying. It's actually a mix between the two I think, the certainly harmonization and capacity building within probably the same Working Group working on both will probably be what will happen. However, we do need to keep those two subjects apart for specific reasons. First of course because the ICANN Academy has now got a life of its own and if there is outreach for other SO and AC chairs specifically for this test pilot.

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Tijani Ben Jemaa:
test. I think the conversation about the convergence and the harmonization has already begun. And I think it's a good thing. I think we should - what they were saying is that the online component, if you add it as a part of the entire package would actually cost very little because most of what would have been committed would have come from volunteer effort, thank you.

Thank you Carlton. Next is Tijani.

Wiki MarkupThank you Olivier. Thank you Carlton for saying that because all of the kinds of learning are already included in the last paper we produced. And we said that this first eyelet project is only a pilot project and that the Academy is about all kinds of learning including virtual learning with conventional e-learning and \ [inaudible 00:18:28\] and etc., etc., any kind of learning. So if you want Olivier to prepare the work for the Academy by setting a working group to look into the capacity building needed in the At\- Large I don’t mind. But the final destination will be inside the Academy. Thank you.

Thank you Tijani. I see on the chat that there is also a discussion on this with regards to outreach, inreach, outreach and also being doing capacity building or you can do outreach by capacity building as well. But I also see that there are two things in the same twine as Cheryl. Alan I know you have put your hand up.

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:

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member as well as a new GNSO members as well as a new At- Large or ALAC member. That part of capacity building I think is always going to be ours no matter what happens in the Academy, thank you.

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Thank you, I think from - well I just want to ensure that what we’re doing is not having a subcommittee meeting in the ExCom. We will be having plenty of subcommittee meetings in the future I'm sure. Form a point of view of action item this is going to be one of those that needs continual care. But it is a medium term not a near term action item.

Wiki MarkupWe probably need to be very careful about making sure it gets continued you with the \ [inaudible 00:21:59\] and thank you for Alan for building on that metaphor to entwine it in our future both strategic and financial planning. But I would think we won't be getting down to new business in it until after the Prague meeting, in between Prague and Toronto.

It may have more energy put into but from an action items point of view, I think it needs to be very much a “Yes we see where it needs to go and yes it needs to get going. But it also needs to be properly planned and put into play when the opportunities come up.”

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
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Heidi Ullrich:
Yes I just wanted to let everyone know that on Monday after the meeting, I had the opportunity to have breakfast with Marilyn Cade and she took the opportunity to stress her concerns about the Academy and the need for wider capacity building activities within ICANN and within the ACs and SOs towards this project. And I did stress that the Academy was planning on having that in the future, that this was a pilot project.

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Heidi Ullrich:
And this is something I'm not sure if it's pertinent at this time, but it's something that Olivier and I discussed this past week and I had a chance to discuss more with Mandy Carver a few days ago is perhaps Cheryl right before you have your first call of the Outreach Working Group that there be a briefing call with the new VPs of the global partnerships.

Wiki MarkupThat would be Nigel, Rodrigo and \ [inaudible 00:27:43\], as well as invite Jamie and then that would be an opportunity for them to talk to At-Large as well as ALAC to talk to them because I believe one of their reasons for the development or establishment of the Outreach Working Group is to have more of working relationship with global partnerships.

Yes I think that would be perfect, it might also be useful if Olivier considers some opportunity for a block of time in his Prague agenda for a follow-up on that with a similar lineup.

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Carlton Samuels: Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Olivier Crepin-Leblond:

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Okay that’s one \ [inaudible 00:29:07\] then. Heidi you're not training him very well.

Yes I'm not thinking very well, it's the afternoon here; Friday afternoons people usually relax with a beer at the pub. We’ll move swiftly then with the next thing, compliance. And the ALAC will consider the issue of suspension and send further questions to the compliance staff for clarification. I believe this hasn’t been done yet has it?

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Or even earlier I think. Yes.

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
Is the - from what I understand this is just a pilot or a test form that is not in use yet. Perhaps it would be good just following up and I'd be happy to share it with everyone else on the ExCom. Okay so we move to the next thing Garth said the new form was a step backwards, that’s how he fired on it. Events roadmap, so ALAC to vote on the draft ALAC statement on the WHOIS Review Team Draft Report during the ALAC wrap-up session on Wednesday 14 March, and that was done and the statement was passed, thanks for this.

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But sorry Olivier - I'm not sorry Olivier just sorry to jump in. My point of raising that is whilst Rinalia said it's not no yet, it may be

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Tijani Ben Jemaa: Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
no this time around. But I think there is a clear intent and precedent now being built by those questions in the survey and about other things that we’re hearing, even just the way Xavier approached his briefing on the ExCom. That in the near future, I'm fairly confident we may see change per our advantage as well as for \ [inaudible 00:36:04\].

Thank you Cheryl and to the extent that it would be good to have a strong ALAC voice in the responses that are given, perhaps a reminder to the announce list that this survey is a good idea, maybe not right away but sometime in the middle of next week.

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Fantastic, I think the majority of us here have. Those who haven’t remain silent but please send it out. I think it's a really good way of showing if the whole ExCom and certainly I would hope that all of the ALAC was able to fill that survey, it would certainly show what we think they will notice. Although we haven’t spoken to each other on the survey and what we would reply, I think we have pretty much all the same view of what needs to be done. I can see Alan didn’t get the compliance form on the chat. No only a handful of us -

Wiki Markup\[Inaudible 00:37:09\] I think I can just forward it.

Yes I will forward it. Okay so let's move on then to the next action item and that’s the Future Challenges Working Group meeting. Now I wonder though are these action items for the ALAC or are these action items for the Future Challenges Working Group itself?

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Heidi Ullrich:

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
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Thank you Olivier. I just wanted Heidi it's really more directed to you to perhaps follow up with meetings and Diane. I assume that

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the layout of the Hilton in Prague is fairly well known. We were somewhat limited with options on meeting room configurations. \ [Inaudible 00:39:52\] what we want to do but we are limited by the actual physical location of these meetings. Just if it's on top of their agenda while they're planning it, that Tuesday concept of the Board staying in one place and everyone coming to them. That was really the first time that’s happened and I think it's an ideal opportunity to get the design right for Prague because I think everyone realized the design wasn’t right in Costa Rica.

Okay thank you Cheryl I'll mention that. And Heidi you have your hand up?

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of people that are sitting around a single U-shaped table you really don’t get a chance to do what we were able to do. It's not a matter of that you're eating food at it, it's a matter at you have little round tables where you have personal engagement. And that’s what I'm hoping that we can do on a regular basis as opposed to okay it's our turn now, thanks.

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meeting. The one which is listed here is ALAC to send invitation to have a meeting on the human rights, rights of internet users. Can anyone refresh me on this? Evan?

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Thank you Evan. Yes I remember a conversation about it but not quite sure whether there was an action item to have a meeting.unmigrated-wiki-markup

Yes I'm just reading my notes and I do remember during that meeting Jean Jacques raised the issue of the concern of \ [inaudible 00:45:43\] actions on the internet. It's time to have a fresh look at this. Every stakeholder has an equal right but the question is are we in a period of crisis of community confidence in the internet governance system?

He suggests setting a joint working group on this issue and the weakened credibility which we see all around us. And EU Commission supported that, interested in this working group. I think there was something a bit more. I can follow up with Jean Jacques if you'd like?

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Heidi Ulrich:
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Actually Heidi I suggest putting that off until we discuss the next issue coming up from the GAC because that also involves Jean Jacques.

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Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Alan Greenberg: Carlton Samuels: Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
room space and some people designated before we get into Prague that will make that go a lot smoother.

Wiki MarkupThank you Evan. In order to lighten, well I know that At-Large staff has already got a huge workload of things to do and catch up with, may I ask you Evan the \ [inaudible 00:49:01\] task to go through the transcripts to check who was interested in the GAC.

I was afraid you were going to say that.

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Okay thank you Alan for this note and certainly there's even discussion in the IGC about this and in the IGF, some people wanted to make that some event related to human rights and there

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Unknown Speaker.

Anonymous.

Wiki MarkupHow appropriate especially at the time we’re meeting at least from an \ [inaudible 00:50:51\] point of view.

Okay next the ALAC Policy Discussion Parts 1 and 2, the ALAC and SO are to continue working together so as to engage further. The list of contacts and countries that ALSs are in are to be sent to the ASO and the ASO is to send the ALAC a list of their meetings. Could I ask staff to follow up on this please?

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You probably had an ASO and a NRO Chair.

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Rapidly and it's the ExCom meeting and so if you have downloaded the page a while ago, you might wish to refresh because a few things were added to it. The first one, staff to remind Xavier of the question from Sala on the percentage of the

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Okay it might be good to remind the Board or perhaps I could send a copy of this over to the Chairman of the Board so as to remind them of the big reservations we have about this. And definitely noting that the vote itself, that took place was not a - so next statements currently being drafted or reviewed by the ALAC, and I'm glad to say that many of them are already on the way.

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On the other hand we better do our homework, we ought to be consulting other sources, for instance, best practices outside ICANN on conflict of interest because we certainly aren’t the first organization to be doing this. What I mean to say though is that we have a number of statements in front of us that are dealing specifically with the timeliness of the issue and the urgency while essentially making a statement that will commit ourselves, that will commit ALAC to producing a future document that will outline specific recommendations based on best practices elsewhere and further study on the issue.

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I have not talked to Jean Jacque about this issue but I know he's passionate on the issue of conflict of interest. So in fact what I'm going to suggest here at the ExCom is to create a statement that gels together with what Carlton and Tijani and myself and others have done in the workspace, but something that conveys the urgency and importance of the matter while acknowledging that our work isn't finished and charging the Future Challenges Working Group which has already been working on this in the sense to come up with a more detailed document, and more detailed analysis, that comes out with specific recommendations. Thanks for your indulgence.

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Alan Greenberg:
Thank you Evan and several people have now put their hands up so there's a queue, first Alan Greenberg.

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There's a queue Evan so first it's Carlton and then Tijani and then you, so Carlton please.unmigrated-wiki-markup

Thank you Olivier. First of all let me just send us to what Alan says and put it short because that's the caution I wanted to point out that I would never agree to \ [inaudible 01:03:43\].

We have a balancing act and you could never have multi- stakeholder organizations such as we're trying to do with ICANN by leaving out some of the stakeholders and certainly contracted parties are important stakeholders. It is going to be a balancing act. I think as we look at it and this is why I support the idea of trucking back the statement and make some sort of interim statement and then telegraph the fact that we're going to look longer and closer at the issue before we make a more fulsome statement.

At any rate what is going to be required in my view is that we have to acknowledge the contracted parties as stakeholders and they have a right to be at the table and what we might wish to do is probably as the way we go about choosing the board and looking at it we might have to clear the deck and see what we can do again. And this is one of the reasons I think the Future Challenges Working Group might be a proper place to do a more long-term analysis of what we might say in this respect. So I look forward to us deciding on having an interim statement that is probably a little bland but certainly giving the heads-up to everybody else in the

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Carlton Samuels:
community that we're going to look at it in depth before we make any further comments. Thank you.

Thank you Carlton. Do you envisage that the further comment might come before the end of the overall public comment period?

Wiki MarkupYes, I think it can happen. I know Evan is committed to having Jean Jacques. There is a framework. I know \ [inaudible 01:05:57\] have been shared with you that we were kind of banding about how we might approach this as a part of the Future Challenges Working Group.

I think it's possible. What Alan says is really the government of why we have to put it down that way because you don’t want to make something that you don't look at all of the issues clearly and come across as being knowledgeable on those issues. And whatever we might put forward it has to be in the context of a balancing act and how we balance interest and that is going to take some time.

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Thank you Olivier. First of all I think that the statement will be called to a proper as the time, a more detailed statement will follow and I think we have a project of a joint statement with the GAC and it can be this framework that the detailed statement can be done.

Wiki MarkupThe second point I think that the statement have matured and now we are saying that the contracted party or any other commissioned party are there and they are part of this multi-stakeholder model and they have to be there. But we said at the end that the selecting body has to be fair, have to be more or less impartial, that it doesn't have any interest to \ [inaudible 01:07:45\] so that they can make the best \ [inaudible 01:07:49\]. So I think that this is already \ [inaudible 01:07:53\]. Please study so \ [inaudible 01:08:01\] can finish it. I think it cannot \ [inaudible 01:08:06\].

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Okay, thank you Tijani. I also heard that you were breaking up a little bit towards the end of your sentence. I thought it was me. Okay, thanks Tijani. Agreed and next we have Evan.

Well there's a discussion going on in the chat room. I think it would be absolute foolishness to put out a statement that deals with the timeliness and urgency of the issue and doesn't mention Rod's speech. It was the reaction to his speech that essentially has put ICANN on the radar of the mainstream media and has attracted global attention. Yes, there's been work without ahead of that. Yes, At-Large was at work on that, the FCWG was working on that well in advance of Rod's statement. Lots of people were considering the issue.

Wiki MarkupYou know we had the ATRT and all these \ [inaudible 01:09:08\] that were dancing around it. Rod's speech brought this into focus and he attracted world attention on ICANN. Ignoring that is a mistake and if we are going to put together something that addresses the timeliness and the urgency, who are we kidding if we ignore the reason why everybody is talking about this now. Thanks.

Thank you Evan. Rinalia I know haven't put your hand up but you've written a number of things on the chat, would you care to expand please?

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We have claimed a number of times vociferously that the multi- stakeholder model is what is going to save the public level, public interest, and he is making a strong statement against that from some perspectives at least that is how it is viewed by some. So to mention it fine, to imply that we are rubberstamping it and supporting it, and the rubberstamp is the right word, without a lot of caveat I think is potentially a dangerous path to follow. Thank you.

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Okay, thank you very much Tijani. I have a question for all of you because the statement that is proposed is in response to a public comment period on an actual set of documents which have been provided for public comment. I don't note that our statement actually deals specifically with those documents, any thoughts about this? Tijani?

Absolutely.unmigrated-wiki-markup

Yes, you are right and I had the same \ [inaudible 01:14:07\]. I read the public comment and I wonder if it is the real response to this public comment. But it is a concern that At-Large had and that was discussed very long and I think we have to bring the point to the board.

Okay, thank you Tijani.

Can I ask a question?

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I do not disagree with that at all Cheryl. I'm just saying that if you look at the statement timing is everything on this and I am yet to see anybody convinced to make the case that what Rod Beckstrom

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did in this statement did not precipitate a movement forward on this. Remember our issue is for the public interest. It's not just about the statement for the documents. It's about what we're projecting for the public, that's how we're positioning this.

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I think that this is something which we heard about in the last meeting prior in Dakar as well. It was an extensive discussion and I'm just uneasy about putting too much weight to Rod's speech as in saying you know since the CEO has come up with this we're now working on that. It just shouldn't be perceived as that. Alan and then we'll close this discussion.

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Yeah, just to return once more you know you just said that the board has been working on this and we should make a statement saying we're going in the right direction. The direction they have been going in has resulted in among other things the Chair and the Vice Chair of the board do not participate in any discussion about New gTLDs and plus other members.

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Okay, so if we can publicize this over to them that will be great. The next one is the Fake Renewal Notices Report. And Alan you started work on this I understand preparing a statement and you

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Okay fine, that's was I was asking.

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Oh sorry. No, I think where we left it was that the working group had a meeting and we discussed the components of the statement and Edmund said that he would do the first draft, but we also agreed that we need more people in the group with multilingual and technical skills. So I think Julie Hammer is going to be absorbed by the group and I think Jean Jacque recommended some

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Tijani is also to be listed on this. Okay, so we can move on to the next thing now, The Current Open Policy Forms that we haven't decided on so far. The first one being The Global Policy Proposal for Recovered IPv4 Address Space. The floor is open for comments.

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Yes, it bothers me too Alan. I'll fix that right now. Thank you.unmigrated-wiki-markup

Thanks Alan. So the Global Policy Proposal for Recovered IPv4 Address Space is one which was actually developed through the ASO by the Regional Internet Registries. As we had our meeting with the ASO they explained to us that policy doesn't actually take place in the ASO but actually it takes place in the Regional Internet Registries. So, errand \ [ph?\] on one side. It's an errand public mailing list or public policy mailing list and write \ [ph?\] on the end I understand there's been a lot of discussion to reach this global proposal. I just wonder whether this is our remit.

I have briefly read the proposal. It looks like a lot more has gone into it. I think we would look pretty unpopular if we were to contradict any of this work having not even indulged in the earlier discussions that took place in which by the way our open mailing list which we can all subscribe to if we wish to as well. So I suppose we can decide not to have a statement on this except if

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That was from what Rinalia told us. I don't know. It's up to her really if she wishes to take part or not I guess. I would have thought she would be more interested in DSSR and DSSA and these issues but we'll leave that over to the IDN Working Group.

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Yes just for clarification. Olivier can you state an action item on this. Is Carlton leading, but also will Holly be involved?

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Yeah it's the deadline for the reply period.

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It's vitally important from the feedback that we have received so far. It's vitally important that all of the communities in ICANN are involved in putting the curriculum together. One concern that was expressed was if only one part of ICANN provides the course to all of the people it will only give a one-sided view of what ICANN is

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Thank you Alan. The concern I have with regards to calling it a Cross Community Working Group is that this would involve creating charters and this would also have the possibility of delaying or stalling the process of the working group moving forward by having competing charters and people using the making up of a charter as a tool to slow the work down.

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Which is why some have subjective to the formalization that the GNSO has gone through and preferred more ad hoc nevertheless.

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Thank you Olivier. It's just to update you or let's say to tell you about the meeting that the Finance had in San Jose to present or to explain the new model of evaluation of the additional requests from the community. And I think that now that we all came back home from the meeting we can program a meeting for the Finance and Budget Subcommittee to give the point of view of the subcommittee because I have my point of view. I have given it in the meeting but I need the committee to give its point of view so that it will be the view of the At-Large and not the committee.

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Now a couple of things to bring forward, the first one is to just bring you up to date and I guess it is for the record as well on the LACRALO event that took place in Costa Rica. It was a resounding success, the Capacity Building sessions were all fully filled with people. The only thing that was a bit of a hiccup on was

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the GA with the rewriting of the bylaws. That took a lot more then originally expected.

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unfortunate the ombudsman inadvertently circulated it, but it actually exacerbated the situation, so just to make mention of that.

Okay, thank you Carlton. So then moving to the last thing I wanted to touch on and that was the statement of interest ALAC page which is a follow-up on an action item we had prior to Costa Rica. And that was a page we initially thought was going to be put up on the www.ALAC.ICANN.org website, but do to current unavailability of staff to update that Matt and I decided that it would probably be a lot better and maybe better for us to control to have it on our wiki.

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Okay, so I think that's all. There's one last bit. Oh yeah, one more thing I wanted to add, today is Silvia's birthday.

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Happy Birthday Silvia. Happy Birthday Silvia. Happy Birthday.

So Silvia Happy Birthday and I guess we're taking all your birthday time right now, so maybe it will be time for this meeting to be adjourned pretty quickly. Any other business and if that's not the case then this meeting is adjourned and Silvia you can go pop the champagne bottle and start your party. Thanks very much everyone.
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