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Nathalie Peregrine:                  And we also have Yrjo Lansipuro who sends his apologies for the beginning of the call and he will try to join later.  I would like to remind you all to please state your names before speaking for transcription purposes, thank you and over to you Cheryl.

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              Thank you very much.  Okay now I would love to give you the review of the summary minutes and the action items from our last sixth meeting held on the 16 January but those pages haven’t been populated.  I wonder Matt if you or someone has at least the list of action items, which were not extensive but I think there might have been one or two.  [Inaudible 00:01:54] those pages will get populated by actual data in the not too distant future I'm sure.

Matt Ashtiani:                        I'm actually working on that right now.  I didn’t realize that it hadn’t been uploaded.  So I'm going through a bunch of files as we speak.

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Also Olaf has asked whether the ALAC would like to meet with the SIC during their half day taskforce workshop scheduled for Tuesday in Costa Rica, 1400 to 1800.  That’s something that the taskforce would be able to discuss perhaps today.  Then I will get back to Olaf about that.

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Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              Terrific, thank you very much.  The macro of that means that the meeting such as Costa Rica or really Olivier's agenda, but I guess the microcosm of the afternoon session which is our Taskforce, but it does really belong to our own agenda planning.  So, I guess I'd be very keen to have one or two if not all the representatives if possibly join the call, a short session but I'd like to hear from \[inaudible 05:26\] or what's the point here if anyone would not like that to happen.  

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I think if we do meet with them it gives us the opportunity to ensure that they understand exactly what's going on and also with a little bit more information we can give them a helicopter view, but take their attention to some of the important points.  And I would think some of the flowchart work, for example, would \[inaudible 05:58\] the Work Team C activities that we would be doing in today's call and next week or so. 

              Terrific, thank you very much.  The macro of that means that the meeting such as Costa Rica or really Olivier's agenda, but I guess the microcosm of the afternoon session which is our Taskforce, but it does really belong to our own agenda planning.  So, I guess I'd be very keen to have one or two if not all the representatives if possibly join the call, a short session but I'd like to hear from [inaudible 05:26] or what's the point here if anyone would not like that to happen.  

I think if we do meet with them it gives us the opportunity to ensure that they understand exactly what's going on and also with a little bit more information we can give them a helicopter view, but take their attention to some of the important points.  And I would think some of the flowchart work, for example, would [inaudible 05:58] the Work Team C activities that we would be doing in today's call and next week or so. 

They are exactly the sort of things that you put up on their overheads to view and do a quick talk would be real worth wild.  I don't see anybody objecting to that, so Heidi can I ask what sort of duration we all are thinking about or might be able to be [inaudible 06:26 Wiki MarkupThey are exactly the sort of things that you put up on their overheads to view and do a quick talk would be real worth wild.  I don't see anybody objecting to that, so Heidi can I ask what sort of duration we all are thinking about or might be able to be \[inaudible 06:26\].

Heidi Ullrich:                         He didn't specify, but I would guess, perhaps, 30 minutes or so.

Wiki MarkupCheryl Langdon-Orr:              Okay, now in that               Okay, now in that 14:00 to 18:00 there will be a coffee break or perhaps we're \ [inaudible 06:47\] that break an hour \ -\-

Heidi Ullrich:                          15:30 to 16:00.

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:          Thank you Cheryl.  I am, it just takes a little while to press the other button rather than the usual button that I press.  Thank you Cheryl, it's Olivier here.  No preference on my side.  Just to say though, that I have discussed the idea of having a meeting with \[inaudible 07:32\].  And certainly the fact that this Working Group works specifically on the improvements is the reason why I thought it would be better that the Working Group meets with the SIC rather than the home of ALAC why it's not in           Thank you Cheryl.  I am, it just takes a little while to press the other button rather than the usual button that I press.  Thank you Cheryl, it's Olivier here.  No preference on my side.  Just to say though, that I have discussed the idea of having a meeting with [inaudible 07:32].  And certainly the fact that this Working Group works specifically on the improvements is the reason why I thought it would be better that the Working Group meets with the SIC rather than the home of ALAC why it's not in session.

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              Okay, fine.

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:          Yes, of course.

Wiki MarkupCheryl Langdon-Orr:              I agree with you.  I just think that it perhaps our membership is slightly more \[inaudible 08:48\] of the two parties, that's all.  Okay, well it looks to me Heidi that if we want to just take our time my personal preference knowing the way these things run and how people days get compressed would be for us to start immediately after the needed afternoon coffee break.  That allows people who are running late from earlier sessions to gather themselves and be in our room so we get a full half hour otherwise the other way the things that can happen with groups and drags.               I agree with you.  I just think that it perhaps our membership is slightly more [inaudible 08:48] of the two parties, that's all.  Okay, well it looks to me Heidi that if we want to just take our time my personal preference knowing the way these things run and how people days get compressed would be for us to start immediately after the needed afternoon coffee break.  That allows people who are running late from earlier sessions to gather themselves and be in our room so we get a full half hour otherwise the other way the things that can happen with groups and drags. 

Let's chalk up the 30 minutes immediately following the coffee break on the Tuesday for our meeting with the SIC and of course in keeping with all the meetings the At-Large community has with the ALAC at least when they're certainly running in a face-to-face format.  But in any other format it will be open, so as many people and so the At-Large group to certainly come in. unmigrated-wiki-markup

Thank you then Heidi, I think you can get back to us and say yes \ [inaudible 10:09\] and here's the time we'll like.   I wonder if we might have found the action items.    I wonder if we might have found the action items. It's how many minutes to \ [inaudible 10:16\] now?

Matt Ashtiani:                        I think I just found them. I don't think there were only two.  I'll load them right now.  The first one was, Heidi was to find the SIC schedule.  The second one was, I'm suppose to setup a Wiki page for each recommendation.

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Heidi Ullrich:                          Yes, thank you Cheryl.  If I could just remind everyone that the purpose for the creation or the updating of those individual Wiki pages was that we will be rating for posting onto those pages the details of those certain recommendations as well as the action items that are relevant for each one.  And we will be adding to those Wiki pages as an addendum to the status update so that the SIC will be able to look, if they wish, to see how each of those certain recommendations as well as action items, how the progress is coming along.

Wiki MarkupCheryl Langdon-Orr:              Thank you Heidi and I think only just the SIC of course but in the ongoing actual implementation would still be ongoing \[inaudible 12:06\] this is already completed or will be completed.  It's going to have that firm record, that recommendation by recommendation.  Excellent, if we have \[inaudible 12:18\] discussion I'd like to welcome \[inaudible 12:21\] has joined the call while we've been going on.  Nathalie do you want to just add to the transcript records who is also               Thank you Heidi and I think only just the SIC of course but in the ongoing actual implementation would still be ongoing [inaudible 12:06] this is already completed or will be completed.  It's going to have that firm record, that recommendation by recommendation.  Excellent, if we have [inaudible 12:18] discussion I'd like to welcome [inaudible 12:21] has joined the call while we've been going on.  Nathalie do you want to just add to the transcript records who is also joining?

Nathalie Peregrine:                  We have Beau Brendler just joined and Yrjo Lansipuro.

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              Thank you and welcome gentlemen.  All right, we're going to jump in now from Recommendation 5.  You all have your own scroll control, but you'll find at the bottom of page five, on the document on your screen, we have Recommendation 5, the Work Team C proposal that we need to run through and to allocate the basis and discuss as required.  Recommendation 5 is that the ALAC should develop procedures and operation planning processes, including performance criteria and cost information as part as ICANN planning process. unmigrated-wiki-markup

Delightfully this is one these that events have already taken.    I've seen many situations when the ALAC Improvement Review was done it was very different strategic budget planning cycle being used by \ [inaudible 13:40\] today.    But we do have a number of subsets that we need to look at and the first one is to ratify the strategic planning process.    Now where it says ratify here it really ought to indicate that the ALAC and At-Large should ratify, ALAC needs to be the ones that need to ratify the strategic planning process reflected in the flowchart which was produced by Work Team C.  \  [inaudible 14:10\] by Dev and Hong \ [inaudible 14:12\] in the proposed At-Large team planning process which was an appendix to a number of our reports to \ [inaudible 14:20\] talking about by which the ALAC could contribute to ICANN \ [inaudible 14:26\]. 

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We have Dev on the call, so I will ask for him to speak to this and answer any particular questions about where goes A versus B.  I'll continue on with a verbal description for the record on what the flowchart depicts.  It depicts a strategic planning process used by the ALAC and At-Large for planning and it was used in the FY 12 budget and \[inaudible 14:58\] for planning year.  It was ratified by the ALAC not as Olivier and I discussed recently but by resolution, but by vote when the report using that process was voted on and then by the ALAC. 

 

We have Dev on the call, so I will ask for him to speak to this and answer any particular questions about where goes A versus B.  I'll continue on with a verbal description for the record on what the flowchart depicts.  It depicts a strategic planning process used by the ALAC and At-Large for planning and it was used in the FY 12 budget and [inaudible 14:58] for planning year.  It was ratified by the ALAC not as Olivier and I discussed recently but by resolution, but by vote when the report using that process was voted on and then by the ALAC. 

Therefore we can assume that the name language here is to which case is to as ratified by the ALAC for the FY 12 year.  It would formerly replace the ALAC At-Large previous process depicted in another diagram.   So, we're up to a situation where we've [inaudible 15:39] a looked at that, it's run, but it may indeed need some tweaking.  It's not one therefore that we need to have that listed in status as it is in this report as much, but I would suggest complete it at least in its FY 12 form.  Wiki MarkupTherefore we can assume that the name language here is to which case is to as ratified by the ALAC for the FY 12 year.  It would formerly replace the ALAC At-Large previous process depicted in another diagram.   So, we're up to a situation where we've \[inaudible 15:39\] a looked at that, it's run, but it may indeed need some tweaking.  It's not one therefore that we need to have that listed in status as it is in this report as much, but I would suggest complete it at least in its FY 12 form. 

This Working Group now needs to decide exactly how we want to report on this.  I'll open the floor for questions, but if it is possible, for I was asked, if the diagram could be uploaded.  If you would be able to do that faster Dev will run for Matt.  Matt has the ability to do the upload since Dev has it to hand we could promote him to host and he would be able to do that.  I see Olivier and not only do I see you I'm actually going to hand over to a minute.  I just need to step away from the computer for a moment, so if you can assist me by taking over the Chair while we begin the discussion on this matter.  Thank you.

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The change their of course would be the alteration from the Budget and Finance Subcommittee of the ALAC, being only ALAC members to having the regional involvement and input into the standing committee so we can tie those two threads together as we meet with them in Costa Rica.  Well, I think that's probably how we should pitch it and I would suggest that, in my view, to bring the financial planning back in with the strategic and operational planning in our reporting. 

Wiki MarkupThey were segregated in the \ [inaudible 24:15\] rather more for emphasis management, but also because they tend to be far more segregated the way ICANN did it back then.    But now a set of two cycles they are \ [inaudible 24:34\] and interdependent cycles and I think it could be quite reasonable for us to blend them back in, in the report.  Now as we catch the language of each of these line items.  What we might do is make sure our writing of our report blends them back together unless anyone objects to that the way forward.  I'm not seeing anyone jumping up and down or putting great big red X's up. 

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Excellent, that does have some ramification I were will on our flowchart and I'd like to ask Dev how would you like to approach the fact that we have two independent flowcharts because they were by necessity as suppose to seeing your way forward, seeing it as two separate threads?  Do you want to just do a note, this page now it \[inaudible 25:31\] across to the beginning of the next one or do you want to do a couple of two cycle blows, just a macro view or how do you think we should prepare the visual to the SIC in Costa Rica?  Over to you Dev.

  Now as we catch the language of each of these line items.  What we might do is make sure our writing of our report blends them back together unless anyone objects to that the way forward.  I'm not seeing anyone jumping up and down or putting great big red X's up. 

Excellent, that does have some ramification I were will on our flowchart and I'd like to ask Dev how would you like to approach the fact that we have two independent flowcharts because they were by necessity as suppose to seeing your way forward, seeing it as two separate threads?  Do you want to just do a note, this page now it [inaudible 25:31] across to the beginning of the next one or do you want to do a couple of two cycle blows, just a macro view or how do you think we should prepare the visual to the SIC in Costa Rica?  Over to you Dev.

Dev Anand Teelucksingh:       Thanks.  I was trying to understand you.  What happened was that I was trying to figure out how to do that.  In my mind the strategic planning process which is Figure C1 and the operational and financial planning process which is Figure C3.  I'm not sure how you can [inaudible 26:11].  Well if you were to intertwine them as one process, perhaps I misunderstood the question, we your Wiki MarkupDev Anand Teelucksingh:       Thanks.  I was trying to understand you.  What happened was that I was trying to figure out how to do that.  In my mind the strategic planning process which is Figure C1 and the operational and financial planning process which is Figure C3.  I'm not sure how you can \[inaudible 26:11\].  Well if you were to intertwine them as one process, perhaps I misunderstood the question, we your statement.

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              I don't say much as one process, but how do we breach them and if we can breach them how do we breech them visually for something that we can throw up on the screen, the SIC.unmigrated-wiki-markup

Dev Anand Teelucksingh:              Okay, well perhaps you can just probably do the helicopter view and show the process from strategic planning and the operational and financial planning process on one diagram.    And then from there the strategic planning process goes to Figure C1 and then the operational and financial planning process goes to figure C3.    So it would just be three diagrams.    Okay now that will \ [inaudible 27:09\].

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              I think it's important if we say some sort of breaching there just because even the way ICANN puts them out to us there's sort of two timelines but they're actually two interacting cycles.  I mean they show that we understand that.  Yes, Olivier go ahead.unmigrated-wiki-markup

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:          Thank you Cheryl, Olivier here.  I think you pronounce the actual words timelines.  They are connected time wise.  I'm not sure that they are \[inaudible 27:40\].  There is a certain amount of \[inaudible 27:45\] then a matter of function, that's my view about           Thank you Cheryl, Olivier here.  I think you pronounce the actual words timelines.  They are connected time wise.  I'm not sure that they are [inaudible 27:40].  There is a certain amount of [inaudible 27:45] then a matter of function, that's my view about it.

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              Okay, fine.  It sounds like someone is almost in a train, but I suspect it’s just line quality on someone's line.  If you can just mute your speakers or your phone line if you're not actually speaking that might help.  Yes, thanks Olivier is suggestion that it was indeed train like, but thank you for the suggestion.  Certainly mute them in the AC room that will help.  We'll just go back to Dev then if I may and do you see looking C1 and it sort of has the same question as C3?  Any need for any tweaking?  Did we actually change in practice anything that are currently enshrined in those original diagrams having run up through two financial years ago?

Dev Anand Teelucksingh:       Yeah, just looking at the diagrams for C1 and C3.  I think we can just have a quick overview.  The first line would be just showing the strategic planning process works then linking to the operational and financial planning and then we can modify it to the C1 to simply point to Figure C3.  I could be wrong but I don't think there's any intermediate steps between Figure C1 is Figure C3. unmigrated-wiki-markup

As I said I'll do it sometime \ [inaudible 30:17\], actually if you want to include what ICANN does, meaning ICANN then publishes the final strategic plan, the ICANN Board.    And I'm paraphrasing so I'm probably missing some steps.  And then the ICANN Board then votes to approve the strategic plan and then I can then publishes the jobs operational and the and the operation plan and budget to achieve the objective set off by the strategic plan plus an additional page there and then make sure there's linkage.  So, that's my initial thoughts on it.  That's it. Wiki MarkupCheryl Langdon-Orr:              Well, I'm certainly comfortable with that.  I see \[inaudible 31:13\] for comment from the \[inaudible 31:15\].  Is that the best way forward, visually presenting it?  Does anybody object to this?  Perhaps Dev if you don't mind could we have a little look at a mockup of that next week as our starting point.  We can have that particular part of our report and presentation in Costa Rica, we're going to look and we will have   And then the ICANN Board then votes to approve the strategic plan and then I can then publishes the jobs operational and the and the operation plan and budget to achieve the objective set off by the strategic plan plus an additional page there and then make sure there's linkage.  So, that's my initial thoughts on it.  That's it.

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              Well, I'm certainly comfortable with that.  I see [inaudible 31:13] for comment from the [inaudible 31:15].  Is that the best way forward, visually presenting it?  Does anybody object to this?  Perhaps Dev if you don't mind could we have a little look at a mockup of that next week as our starting point.  We can have that particular part of our report and presentation in Costa Rica, we're going to look and we will have that as an action item that allow us to review that in next week's that as an action item that allow us to review that in next week's call.

Dev Anand Teelucksingh:       Hi, this is Dev.  Certainly, I can try to do a mock up of that.unmigrated-wiki-markup

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              Terrific, but               Terrific, but we're \ [inaudible 32:02\] to be \ [inaudible 32:05\] quality I understand is big, a simple mock up would be fine.  

Dev Anand Teelucksingh:       Okay, no problem. 

Wiki MarkupCheryl Langdon-Orr:              Thank you very much.  Okay so we're going to view language then in term of status and reporting which is the \[inaudible 32:29\] and the recommendation specifically from what should \[inaudible 32:34\] have been completed.  There have been different \[inaudible 32:38\] during the FY 12 and we're now blending them back together on our report on which \[inaudible 32:46\] planning processes strategically and financially and then that would subject to continuous improvement as ICANN not only not alter and fine tune it basically. 

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ALAC will mirror that to ensure that its standard performances match up with that.  Alright, so if we take the next line down which of course is as Olivier pointed out almost the same but not quite because it's particularly reserved to the financial planning process that's built with the strategic planning process.  We have in fact discussed the \[inaudible 33:28\] and which one, is there anything more we need to talk about on this section do you think?  Yes, Dev you'll be the best one to tell us.

              Thank you very much.  Okay so we're going to view language then in term of status and reporting which is the [inaudible 32:29] and the recommendation specifically from what should [inaudible 32:34] have been completed.  There have been different [inaudible 32:38] during the FY 12 and we're now blending them back together on our report on which [inaudible 32:46] planning processes strategically and financially and then that would subject to continuous improvement as ICANN not only not alter and fine tune it basically. 

ALAC will mirror that to ensure that its standard performances match up with that.  Alright, so if we take the next line down which of course is as Olivier pointed out almost the same but not quite because it's particularly reserved to the financial planning process that's built with the strategic planning process.  We have in fact discussed the [inaudible 33:28] and which one, is there anything more we need to talk about on this section do you think?  Yes, Dev you'll be the best one to tell us.

Dev Anand Teelucksingh:       This is Dev.  I don't think so.  I think for this year, for this operation on financial planning I think we are following the process.  The Finance and Budget Subcommittee has followed the [inaudible 34:07], so I don't think there's any need to say anything more unless you think there needs to improvements made to it Wiki MarkupDev Anand Teelucksingh:       This is Dev.  I don't think so.  I think for this year, for this operation on financial planning I think we are following the process.  The Finance and Budget Subcommittee has followed the \[inaudible 34:07\], so I don't think there's any need to say anything more unless you think there needs to improvements made to it obviously.

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              I certainly don't, but I'm only one voice.  Thank you Olivier, go ahead.

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Have you have any thoughts on that which is kind of sad.  I'm pretty sure you were on the call earlier, yes you are, you're in the room.  You're just not up there as a host.  How do you feel about it?  You've had this baby from conception to kindergarten now, would you suggest we appendix or footnote it?  Olivier is voting for appendix by the way.  I'm not hearing from Seth, so you know you're having trouble coming off on mute. unmigrated-wiki-markup

Okay, so he can't seem to speak.    Remind me to check our connectivity issues perhaps.    Nathalie, I'm not sure what’s going on?    Well, now this is an update report.    Sala is saying can we have both because it’s a former report.    This is an increment update, so I think what we might do is footnote it for our pitch in presentation mode, but we will have an appendix to the \ [inaudible 38:01\] report.  

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:          Thank you very much Cheryl.  It's Olivier here for the transcript.  I was just going to add one more thing in regards to either appending or having the report footnoted.  I think that some members of the SIC might have not seen the full previous reports, so it's always good to remind them.  Beyond that I think that the next report after that we will be able to \[inaudible 39:21\].  Okay, so let's move on then.           Thank you very much Cheryl.  It's Olivier here for the transcript.  I was just going to add one more thing in regards to either appending or having the report footnoted.  I think that some members of the SIC might have not seen the full previous reports, so it's always good to remind them.  Beyond that I think that the next report after that we will be able to [inaudible 39:21].  Okay, so let's move on then. 

I guess you probably are all going through the different charts which are in the report, the fantastic work that Dev had done.  Cheryl said we have to move on while she's away and so we've done C3 flowchart.  So we've done operational and financial planning processes, review and amend the ALAC strategic planning process yearly in line with annual amendments to ICANN strategic [inaudible 40:07].  Wiki MarkupI guess you probably are all going through the different charts which are in the report, the fantastic work that Dev had done.  Cheryl said we have to move on while she's away and so we've done C3 flowchart.  So we've done operational and financial planning processes, review and amend the ALAC strategic planning process yearly in line with annual amendments to ICANN strategic \[inaudible 40:07\]. 

Now that's marked in progress and it looks as though this might be a recurring thing.  So that is what I think I meant earlier and my voice is going in and out and I'm speaking as loud as I can, but I'm using the Adobe Connect to speak.  So I'm not sure, we'll see.  Hopefully this will work.  So, review and amend the ALAC strategic planning process yearly in line with annual amendments to ICANNs overall strategic planning process is effectively something which we can really mark is being done since I think that this is what's happening at the moment. 

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Dev Anand Teelucksingh:       This is Dev here.  I guess that the question is what the whole periodic should be doing.  I'm thinking one every two years because I don't think yearly it's going to be that significant partial bit of changes in the SWOT and if anything presumably what we do in-between those that we see time to do these SWOT anilities.  Well, hopefully the weaknesses will be less so and that we have more strength.  So, I'm thinking that it's in progress and that we should have it like \[inaudible 44:02\       This is Dev here.  I guess that the question is what the whole periodic should be doing.  I'm thinking one every two years because I don't think yearly it's going to be that significant partial bit of changes in the SWOT and if anything presumably what we do in-between those that we see time to do these SWOT anilities.  Well, hopefully the weaknesses will be less so and that we have more strength.  So, I'm thinking that it's in progress and that we should have it like [inaudible 44:02]

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:          Dev, are you still here?

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:          There was an extraordinary explosion noise there, so we didn't hear the end of your sentence.

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:          Okay, I think I might have not explained myself too well.  I think the question would it be a full SWOT analysis or could the current SWOT just be updated and take out anything that isn't apparent anymore an add anything that needs to be added to it?

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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:          Okay, fantastic.  Thank you.  I think that's one as well.  I see here no one else adding to the debate, so I think that's what we will do then.  So, this will be marked as continuous item and the details of the process will need to be noted as to show to the SIC yes.  Rather than everyone typing can you perhaps say it on the call otherwise I'll just be having to read out loud. unmigrated-wiki-markup

Heidi, show the details of the process and \ [inaudible 50:58\].    Seth, are you comfortable with that?  Seth \  Seth [inaudible 51:03\].    We can put all an any ongoing AIs together in a section or appendix as well.    I'm not going to do Cheryl and in fact I see she's back on the computer so perhaps I'll pass the floor back to her.  

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              Thank you very much Olivier.  Sorry, I was having a lot of fun with you acting as more then traffic warden.  Someone seems to have their room microphone open and also their speaker on.  Could you just turn the speaker off if you're on the phone?  It will be someone who is on the phone breach and not using their computer because you'll have an Adigo connection, but they got the speaker in the Adobe Connect room open as well. 

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Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              I thought I heard bi-annually as a favor.  Okay, I just noticed that Nathalie is talking to the chat room, she cannot understand and the audio is not good.  There is four minutes left and she's leaving.  Okay, I'm reading the transcript.  Nathalie could you contact Natalia and just see if sometimes between now and next week what the issues and how we like to have fix on some of the audio?  I don't know whether she has tried to come in by the AC room or by an ordinary phone breach. 

Wiki MarkupIf I can ask you Nathalie to take a page with you for Natalia and see if we can get better audio \ [inaudible 56:08\].    There's a comment.  \  [inaudible 56:15\] to act on it, the current \ [inaudible 56:20\] how that could be addressed and in the case he loses his connection which he does need to be doing repeatedly if he'd like to comment on the next item which is the mission statement.    He made a comment there is, I think that the facilitate is weak and it should be represent.

Now we'll note that as we lead into that now Beau, but perhaps we can try to answer the questions as to having done the thought what then happens and that's of course one I'm delighted to come back to Olivier because he's rolling with Team C, that's because of the fact that he carries the chair of the ALAC now.  Are we going to articulate the and then what happens? 

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Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              Yep.

Wiki MarkupBeau Brendler:                        Yeah, I didn't necessarily mean enforce.  I just sort of wondered what the output of the \[inaudible 58:12\] and who was suppose to get the SWOT and what is the mechanism for it actually being acted on because there's something that I think Dev wrote on the current one that has some negatives in it.  So, I mean, who addresses that, how is that addressed? Brendler:                        Yeah, I didn't necessarily mean enforce.  I just sort of wondered what the output of the [inaudible 58:12] and who was suppose to get the SWOT and what is the mechanism for it actually being acted on because there's something that I think Dev wrote on the current one that has some negatives in it.  So, I mean, who addresses that, how is that addressed? 

Is it just for us internally to take note of or, you know, does this in the office go to some sort of oversight group that says, "Okay, we see you have lack of mechanism,  you have lack of skill transfer, you have lack of inclusion metrics, and lack of funding?"  I just lost my Adobe Connect connection again, so?

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Yrjo Lansipuro:                       Well, I mean, my comments are about this vision and mission, but since we are going to disgust that next time I just yield.unmigrated-wiki-markup

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              Okay, thank you.  I'm seeing to stop close to the top of the hour as possible.  \[Inaudible               Okay, thank you.  I'm seeing to stop close to the top of the hour as possible.  [Inaudible 01:02:19\] go ahead please.

Unknown:                               Well just very briefly, it says articulate ALAC and At-Large's vision and mission.  We have here a suggestion from Work Team C for the mission, but should there also be a sort of vision statement which is slightly different I think.  The other thing I wanted to say is that whatever we say about the mission we should put that in line with whatever changes we did in the bylaws by Work Team A.  Thank you.

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Sala Tamanikaiwaimaro:         Thank you Cheryl.  Sala for the record.  In relation to this discussion on the SWOTs, first of all thank you for the excellent job done by the team.  Just one comment that I'd like to mention, if it was possible to put it up on the Wiki and when it may be reviewed within one year or two years and just does everyone eventually get to decide where we have consensus and that sort of thing?  I think it's critical though not to restrict ourselves, not to be confined strictly to either two years. unmigrated-wiki-markup. 

You know the people up on the Wiki and there's a lot of feedback in certain aspects.    I know you \ [inaudible 01:04:13\] the SWOT analysis that demands \ [inaudible 01:04:18\] a review and we I see read it, I mean the one line instead of the two.    Now, we shouldn't be held fast to the two and that sort of thing and putting it on the Wiki also it's open to SWOTs to consume evaluation by ALAC and by one, therefore a consistent progressive evaluation and that sort of thing. unmigrated-wiki-markupthing. 

Also understand that there's a lot of \ [inaudible 01:04:54\], but if you do it small bites it won't be a lot of work at the end of the period, whichever period you choose.    And there ends my comment, thank you.unmigrated-wiki-markup

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:              Thank you Sala.  What I might take from that is that you didn't want us too locked in onto annual by, annual law otherwise it would \[inaudible 01:0518\] ongoing and continuous improvement.  Perhaps what we could do in our leadership planning team meeting in preparation for next week’s call to see if we can come up with some draft language which would incorporate the intention for continuous improvement and consensus input being taken into account, but also recognize that there needs to be a plan periodicity to at least in the short term probably in a bi-annual and then subject to review \[inaudible 01:06:04\] so that it gets onto the ALAC agenda at it's place in time so that it focuses everybody on to those Wiki pages.               Thank you Sala.  What I might take from that is that you didn't want us too locked in onto annual by, annual law otherwise it would [inaudible 01:0518] ongoing and continuous improvement.  Perhaps what we could do in our leadership planning team meeting in preparation for next week’s call to see if we can come up with some draft language which would incorporate the intention for continuous improvement and consensus input being taken into account, but also recognize that there needs to be a plan periodicity to at least in the short term probably in a bi-annual and then subject to review [inaudible 01:06:04] so that it gets onto the ALAC agenda at it's place in time so that it focuses everybody on to those Wiki pages. 

Because of the plethora of Wiki pages it [inaudible 01:06:17] become quite a challenge sometimes to do that I would think.  Okay, with that I'm bringing this call to an end.  I'd like to thank each and every one of you for your contribution.  I'd like to [inaudible 01:06:28] that a little action item that I'm sure you'll be able to that, remember that was 3:30 [inaudible 01:06:34], thank you for next week.  Wiki MarkupBecause of the plethora of Wiki pages it \[inaudible 01:06:17\] become quite a challenge sometimes to do that I would think.  Okay, with that I'm bringing this call to an end.  I'd like to thank each and every one of you for your contribution.  I'd like to \[inaudible 01:06:28\] that a little action item that I'm sure you'll be able to that, remember that was 3:30 \[inaudible 01:06:34\], thank you for next week. 

And we'll have some draft language to look at as we launch into just a review of what we've done this week and we will start with the mission and vision statement from next week's call.  Goodbye for now.