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Kathy Schnitt:Welcome to the ATLAS II Debrief Single Issue ALAC call on Wednesday 27 August 2014 at 13:30 UTC.
Kathy Schnitt:AGENDA: https://community.icann.org/x/BAbxAg
Kathy Schnitt:Hello Ariel!
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Glenn
Murray McKercher:good ,orning
Glenn McKnight:Hi
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Murray
Alberto Soto:Hi all!
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Alberto,
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Eduardo
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Sebastien
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:Hello all
Alberto Soto:You are welcome, Kathy
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Hello All!
Alberto Soto:No sound on the channel in Spanish...
Alberto Soto:is ok!
Gisella Gruber:Dev sends his apologies
Glenn McKnight:Dev tied up with his wedding
Alberto Soto:Yes Olivier!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thanks. Just checking.
Ariel Liang:The Report Reporting Group's wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/agXxAg
Ariel Liang:I'm going to share screen
Murray McKercher:@ariel yes very good
Glenn McKnight:yes its fine
Sylvia Herlein:Hello everybody!
Glenn McKnight:Implementation is much more difificult if budget and staff is not allocated
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Sylvia
Glenn McKnight:Easy to create a suggestion the 'devil is in the detail"
Glenn McKnight:@ Olivier your request is much more than this call
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:sorry to be late. home now from Melbourne
Siranush Vardanyan:sorry for late arrival, just finished my meeting
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Cheryl and Siranush
Siranush Vardanyan:thanks, Kathy
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Evan
Murray McKercher:@Olivier, I like this approach as a smaller initial group folllowed by a broader review group
Glenn McKnight: Need to expand to RSB charts
Sylvia Herlein:Kathy, can you put the link here??
Glenn McKnight:RSB SMART Specific, Measurable, Acbhieveable, Results, Tactics
Murray McKercher:@ all please let us not get caught up in "paralysis by analysis" and we should have a realistic deadline
Sébastien:Board retreat is on the 8, 9 and 10 of September in Istanbul
Sébastien:Next Board meeting in LA
Sébastien:For LA you need to be ready for the 20 of September
Kathy Schnitt:https://community.icann.org/x/LsPhAg
Sébastien:Is it working within AC to speak?
Kathy Schnitt:Sebastien would you like us to dial out to you via audio?
Sébastien:I am in an hotel in Sofia
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:we could not hear you Sébastien
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Tijani: understood, but it needs to be much more articulated before being sent to the Board.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:*We just heard you Sébastien
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:so you're next
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alberto: good point, and that's why we need to structure our request, with suggestions and figures.
Murray McKercher:@JJS I agree we must articulate very well before being sent to the board, I believe you are most experienced in working with the Board, and of course Sebastien would also be most helpful
Murray McKercher:must switch computer but will remain on the call by voice.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Murray: before allocating tasks to anyone, ALAC needs to determine its orientations, make specific suggestions, and have a notion of costs involved (to be ascertained with Staff).
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier: yes.
Sylvia Herlein:we need both things
Evan Leibovitch:BTW: While talking about delegating some of the issues to other working groups: Have other TG members been encouraged to join working groups? I know that many TG4 members joined the Future Challenges WG but I have no idea how many have joined the Outreach and other WGs. That will be useful -- even necessary -- before charging these WGs to help make the recommendations more specific.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Evan: yes they have. Since it is the summer the take-up has not been too great so far
Glenn McKnight:I am of two opinions on this discussion. The feedback suggests we do alot more work.
Sylvia Herlein:that's rigth Alberto, in that cases Haiti & Rep Dominicana, we did both
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Alberto: agreed.
Evan Leibovitch:One thing that can be done here is determining which WG should be charged with followup (and making the recommendations more detailed)
Evan Leibovitch:of each line item
Evan Leibovitch:Can we not add a colum on the wiki table to indicate which WG each item is assigned to?
Evan Leibovitch:or put it in " status"
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alan +1.
Sylvia Herlein:agreed with Tijani
Alan Greenberg:Yes, adding source and where details might be found would be useful.
Eduardo:sorry I am having connection problems
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Olivier, this is a big chunk of work, requiring legal research (different legislation from country to country; compatibility with California law), and what would be our HIGH LEVEL orientation on this?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:just an open question :-)
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Sébastien: exactly!
Evan Leibovitch:Doling masochistic things within ICANN is not unheard of.
Sébastien:I have some inputs on that but as no time...
Evan Leibovitch:All of ICANN's contracts with contracted parties are governed by California law.
Sébastien:Maybe we can discuss that specificaly later
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Olivier: yes, first get in touch with your colleagues of SOs and ACs. A good start. And yes, EU position very important.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier: no, I'm not proposing to move ICANN out of California law; but to see what plans are afoot regarding the Geneva office's remit.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:JJs: quick answer: nobody knows
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Sébastien +1.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:outreach and capacity
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:/also GSE Regional hubs etc.,
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:... and test it with other SOs & ACs?
Glenn McKnight:Going to be a real challenge to these WG committees to commit
Alan Greenberg:OTher groups (some not anywhere near all) rotate meetings to spread pain. We, as an example, have decided that we not do this except in a few cases where we run duplicate sessions.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:also social media
Eduardo:capacity building to support
Eduardo:maybe mentoring
Alan Greenberg:I think we are learning a very important lesson here. It is not sufficient to gather together people for one week, have them issue strong and potentially complex recommendations, and then go home and presume that someone will carry out their wishes.
Sylvia Herlein:+1 Alan
Evan Leibovitch:It is my personal PoV that anything sent "to the ALAC" will essentially be sent there to die, unless the ALAC itself creates its own WG or task force.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:challenge if not ricck of low priority risk of "failure'
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:risk
Alan Greenberg:GNSO now has Implementation Review Groups to participate in the implementation so recommendations are not just tossed over a brick wall to someone else to implement.
Eduardo:outreach and global engagement
Sébastien:Is it the ICANN role?
Eduardo:global engagement since it's public relations what it is looking for
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Olivier, if you create a WG, it would make sense for you and/or Eduardo to guide its work, as a follow-up of Atlas-2.
Kathy Schnitt:Checking with Adigo for Cheryl
Kathy Schnitt:She is still on the audio line
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Olivier, see my remark just above?
Evan Leibovitch:My own viewpoints on the absolute foolishness of applying the paradigm of "RoI" for the Sunmit are well known.
Alan Greenberg:@Eduardo, that could significantly delay Atlas 3!
Murray McKercher:Apologies, I must leave the call, but will review notes
Sylvia Herlein:bye, bye
Eduardo:@alan. we can get to atlasiii even if we do not have definitive results for all
Alberto Soto:Thanks, bye bye
Eduardo:adios
Siranush Vardanyan:thank sall, bye
Ariel Liang:Thank you bye bye
