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PPSAI - Cat B - Question 1 (for discussion)
Presentation on RAA Accreditation Process
MP3 Recording: http://gnso.icann.org/en/node/43931
Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-ppsa-25feb14-en.pdf
Attendees:
Luc Seufer - RrSG
Volker Greimann - RrSG
Graeme Bunton – RrSG
Tim Ruiz – RrSG
Sarah Wyld – RrSG
David Heasley - IPC
James Bladel - RrSG
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP
Kathy Kleiman – RySGgr
Justin Macy - BC
Darcy Southwell - RrSG
Alex Deacon - IPC
Todd Williams – IPC
Don Moody - IPC
Don Blumenthal - RySG
Libby Baney - BC
Phil Marano – IPC
Jim Bikoff – IPC
Tatiana Khramstova - RrSG
Griffin Barnett - IPC
Roy Balleste – NCUC
Tobias Sattler - RrSG
Holly Raiche - ALAC
Paul McGrady - IPC
Amr Elsadr - NCUC
Kristina Rosette – IPC
Statton Hammock – RySG
Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC
David Cake - NCSG
Valeriya Sherman – IPC
Apologies:
Susan Prosser - RrSG
Maria Farrell – NCUC
Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC
Mary Wong
ICANN staff:
Marika Konings
Margie Milam
Amy Bivins
Mike Zupke
Joe Catapano
Glen de St Gery
Terri Agnew
Nathalie Peregrine
Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 25 February 2014:
Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 25 February 2014
Tobias Sattler:Hi there
Graeme Bunton:Good morning all
Bladel:(Sinatra hold music)
Don Blumenthal:James, would you prefer something else?
Tim Ruiz:Loved the hold music!
Tim Ruiz:Guess that shows my age :-)
Nathalie Peregrine:Noted
Nathalie Peregrine:Tatiana Khramtsova and Volker Greimann have joine dthe call
Luc Seufer:ON top of being exiled to a cold city, they can't pay Mike a proper headset...ICANN you are cheap!
Nathalie Peregrine:David Heasley and Kiran Malancharuvil have joined the audio bridge
Luc Seufer: Phase VII (6 months) issuance of a Data Retention Specification waiver is missing. :-p
Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the call
Phil Marano:Apologies for the delay. A little snow in the DC metro area, and everything shuts down.
Nathalie Peregrine:Stephanie Perrin has joined the AC room
Volker Greimann:We should also include a maxcimum timeframe in which ICANN staff needs to either approve or deny an application (#lessonslearnedfromthewaiverprocess)
Luc Seufer:@Volker agreed
Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady has joined the audio bridge
Mike Zupke:As promised, here is the Statement of Registrar Accreditation Policy: http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/accreditation/policy-statement
Don Blumenthal:Thank, Mike.
Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa has joined the AC room
Osvaldo Novoa:Hi all, sorry I am late.
Nathalie Peregrine:Amr Elsadr and David Cake have joined the call
Libby Baney:I aree with Steve - it should be made known in the registration
Amr Elsadr:@Steve: If the registrar doesn't control the format of the output, what would value would there be in the proxy/privacy service indicating it is one? Not sure, I understand how this would help?
Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with Libby and Steve. It should be made known.
Amr Elsadr:Assuming that the proxy/privacy provider is accredited, wouldn't there be a list of known service providers anyway?
steve metalitz:@Amr, registrar does control format of Whois output.
Kathy Kleiman:@James, how would have work in terms of labeling?
Luc Seufer:repurposing the registrant name field?
Bladel:"Service Name, on behalf of Customer (some Customer ID)"
Kathy Kleiman:is that a proxy or privacy service?
Bladel:That would be a proxy
steve metalitz:@Amr #2, no guarantee that Whois info wil match up with name of accredited service. Try this sometime with accredited registrars now.
Kathy Kleiman:tx
Nathalie Peregrine:Val Sherman has joined the call
Luc Seufer:and for proxy?
Luc Seufer:sorry privacy?
Bladel:Privacy would have the PP Customer name as Registrant
Amr Elsadr:@Steve #2: so matching up of whois info with accredited service would settle this, if it becomes an accreditation requirement, right?
steve metalitz:@Amr, yes as in James' example.
Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with Kathy. The 2013 RAA requirements are appropriate for this purpose.
Justin Macy:+1 to Steve
Libby Baney:+1 wto Steve
Libby Baney:(to)
steve metalitz:Volker, can you provide a reference to the finding that underlying data of privacy service users is more accurate? Thanks
Stephanie Perrin:I cannot see why we would insist on reverifying, if (as I suspect) the true criminals are going to fake their data at strategic points anyway...no point in continuing to verify the data.
Amr Elsadr:@Volker: if you could dig up that study, it would be appreciated.
Marika Konings:@Steve - some of the Whois Studies seemed to indicate that, but it also acknowledged that this is probably not independently verifiable
Amr Elsadr:+1 to Volker and James.
Graeme Bunton:Also agreeing with Volker and James
steve metalitz:Sorry, as indicated, must drop off the call early. Look forward to furthr discussion on this point.
Bladel:And when someone loses a name, it's always the bad guy registrar, and not ICANN.
Volker Greimann:I think that is the one I had seen as well, thank you Kathy!
Marika Konings:I'll have a look - Kathy, any idea what year that study took place?
Darcy Southwell:Agree with Volker and James on this issue.
Kathy Kleiman:@Marika, let's reach out together to Emily Taylor, chair of Whois REview Team, and General Counsel of Nominet (I think) when this study was conducted
Kathy Kleiman:who is speaking now?
Kathy Kleiman:I don't think we have proof that people are seeking anything more than privacy in a p/p service
Paul McGrady:I have only recently joined the Adobe. I was on the phone before but because this wasn't on the agenda for today, I was not alerted that we needed to review these materials for today. Can we be sure to leave this issue open for next week?
val sherman:what types of activities would trigger a reverification of customer data?
Holly Raiche:+ Steve
Kathy Kleiman:+1 Volker
Kristina Rosette:Have to drop for another meeting. Agree with Paul w/r/t carryover to next week, please.
Luc Seufer:What Volker said. Double verification/validation would serve no purpose
Volker Greimann:same goes for different standards of verification. There is no reason that what is good for one is not good for the other
Paul McGrady:Marika, Thank you!
Bladel:AGree
Tim Ruiz:Agree, and I will be dropping off shortly.
Kathy Kleiman:Tx you, Don!
Tim Ruiz:Thanks Don.
Kiran Malancharuvil:thx!
Justin Macy:Thanks!
Statton_H (Rightside):Thanks Don
Amr Elsadr:thanks. bye.
Luc Seufer:bye
