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08:55:27 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : Welcome to the Consolidated Policy Working Group Call
08:56:06 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone : Hi Claudia and everyone
09:00:30 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Hello all, welcome!
09:00:35 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Welcome Elena
09:00:51 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thanks Christopher :)
09:03:04 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : Welcome, all.
09:03:30 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
09:03:42 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone : Greetings everyone, always nice to drop in and see familiar faces and hear your voices.
09:04:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Welcome Herb
09:07:35 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Thanks Alan
09:07:42 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Thanks Olivier
09:08:47 From Vanda Scartezini to Everyone : hi all - sorry to enter a bit late
09:09:04 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Interpreted
09:09:07 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=158139010&preview=/158139010/158139611/NIS2%20AG.pdf
09:14:59 From alberto soto to Everyone : There is a legitimate interest if the individual proves that there is a constitutional norm that collects or protects some diffuse interest for the benefit of a certain group, the act that is claimed infringes that diffuse interest, individually or collectively, and that person proves that they belong to that collective.
09:19:45 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond (Internet Society UK England) to Everyone : We will open the floor for discussion after all three presentations
09:20:22 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=158139010&preview=/158139010/158139724/NIS2%20Elena.pdf
09:21:08 From Vanda Scartezini to Everyone : Alberto there is a large discussion around the world about what is legitimate interest.
09:25:26 From alberto soto to Everyone : Yes, Vanda
09:27:39 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone : @Elena, would some of these not be the generally recognized legal clauses, like "due/undue delay"?
09:32:41 From Vanda Scartezini to Everyone : harmonize under GDPR is adapt to local countries laws
09:33:35 From Roberto to Everyone : Agree with Alan
09:34:07 From Roberto to Everyone : Keep the right to do something different if so decided
09:34:12 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : Do the people in the EC/EU Parliament understand the scale of DNS usage by small/micro businesses? Even with the main gTLDs, there are about 1M DNS/nameservers by domain name. New gTLDs and ccTLDs would add at least another million. Many are DNSes that are automatically set up by control panels.
09:34:53 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone : Happy to wait for the Q&A , thanks
09:35:51 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : Generally, "without prejudice" means that the action does not block or prohibit some later action.
09:35:51 From Vanda Scartezini to Everyone : here for instant without prejudice : other agencies under their own laws can apply sanctions without the mandate of the Data protection agency , s
09:38:21 From alberto soto to Everyone : But it's harder Vanda
09:38:25 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Question for Elena: Do you foresee penalties associated with this? Specifically, if information about legal persons were not published, would there be penalties?
09:39:20 From Natalia Filina to Everyone : hello all, sorry I`m late
09:39:23 From Elena Plexida to Everyone : @Joanna, indeed, but the question would then be specifying in the context of providing access to legitimate access seekers, what is time period that can be considered due /undue
09:42:20 From Elena Plexida to Everyone : @John McCormac, that is a good question. I think they do not. There is potential space for “education”
09:43:28 From Vanda Scartezini to Everyone : alberto, but the law here is acting as such
09:48:09 From Vanda Scartezini to Everyone : totally agree ALAN
09:48:15 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone : @Alan, we get these phrases all over EU legislation, just to mention the e-commerce directive. I share the concerns though.
09:51:43 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone : providing none accurate information could fall under another EU legislation
09:56:49 From Michael Palage to Everyone : Article 31 Paragraph 4 - Member States shall ensure that infringements of the obligations laid down in Article 18 or Article 20 shall, in accordance with paragraphs 2 and 3 of this Article, be subject to administrative fines of a maximum of at least 10 000 000 EUR or up to 2% of the total worldwide annual turnover of the undertaking to which the essential or important entity belongs in the preceding financial year, whichever is higher
09:57:00 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : Alan, I agree with you that objective accuracy should be the benchmark, and not "accurately" repeating that Mickey Mouse is the name of the data subject.
09:57:08 From Michael Palage to Everyone : Article 33 Penalties 1. Member States shall lay down rules on penalties applicable to the infringements of national provisions adopted pursuant to this Directive, and shall take all measures necessary to ensure that they are implemented. The penalties provided for shall be effective, proportionate and dissuasive. 2. Member States shall, by [two] years following the entry into force of this Directive, notify the Commission of those rules and of those measures and shall notify it, without undue delay of any subsequent amendment affecting them.
09:58:35 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : Please speak slower for the interpreters - to allow for accurate interpretation
09:59:29 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : thanks for the reminder, Claudia.
10:00:39 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Michael, 31.4 seems to apply only to specific articles and not ones on whois data
10:00:48 From Vanda Scartezini to Everyone : thank you Christopher , very interesting point
10:02:22 From Michael Palage to Everyone : @Christopher - See Article 24 Jurisdiction and territoriality, Specifically Article 24, Paragraph 3 - If an entity referred to in paragraph 1 is not established in the Union, but offers services within the Union, it shall designate a representative in the Union. The representative shall be established in one of those Member States where the services are offered. Such entity shall be deemed to be under the jurisdiction of the Member State where the representative is established. In the absence of a designated representative within the Union under this Article, any Member State in which the entity provides services may take legal actions against the entity for non-compliance with the obligations under this Directive.
10:02:24 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : @Alan - EU Directive on Security of Network and Information Systems (NIS 2 Directive): https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=157189068
10:02:53 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Noted @Olivier, will do
10:02:56 From Roberto to Everyone : @CW - maybe off-topic, but are you expecting negotiations about Gibraltar being similar - mutatis mutandis - to the ones for North Ireland, that has a special regime regarding the checks at the border with EU?
10:03:22 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : Many thanks @Evin
10:03:43 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : Most of the previously UK regged .EU doms seem to have moved to Ireland but stayed exactly on the same DNS/hosting.
10:04:22 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : Many of the big European hosters/registrars are owned by US orgs.
10:06:56 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you Elena and Mason, much appreciated
10:07:02 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : Many thanks.
10:07:04 From alberto soto to Everyone : Sorry, I have to go to another meeting. Thanks and regards!
10:07:05 From Vanda Scartezini to Everyone : thanks to elena and Mason !! great points
10:07:26 From Elena Plexida to Everyone : Thank you for having me
10:07:32 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone : Thank you, OCL. I’m sure there are people in EURALO ALS’es who are interested in this topic. We’ll solicit their reactions
10:08:19 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : @Yrjö - happy to help out BTW with reaching out
10:08:35 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : PIR has also started a DNS abuse institute.
10:09:09 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone : Thank you, @Olivier
10:09:21 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : https://thenew.org/pir-launches-new-institute-to-combat-dns-abuse/
10:09:29 From Vanda Scartezini to Everyone : John. Interesting - DNS INSTITUTE
10:09:33 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : Today's Press Release
10:10:02 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : Light on details at the moment but it looks good.
10:12:56 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : They have the tools for compliance but not for detection/monitoring. That's the Catch 22.
10:13:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : well noted... Thx @Alan
10:14:17 From Justine Chew to Everyone : @Jonathan, if I'm not wrong, the call you mentioned with CPH was not recorded. If so and even if it was recorded, could we find a way to publish notes from that (and future) call(s) so we can all track for "progress"?
10:17:53 From Justine Chew to Everyone : Sure, but can we at least capture points on our agenda somewhere for our own information please?
10:19:26 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : For more information about DNS Abuse Institute: https://dnsabuseinstitute.org/
10:23:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Sounds like a plan then @Greg & @JZ ...
10:24:22 From Justine Chew to Everyone : Let's start SOMEWHERE. That's nothing stopping us from taking PARALLEL action to "define" DNS Abuse and also to put CPH to task on action for combatting their existing DNS Abuse definition.
10:26:04 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : +1 Justine
10:27:30 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Sorry for that - who knows we still might party later
10:27:38 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone : :-)
10:27:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : :-) @AG
10:28:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : The Motion for consideration is on the Agenda for tomorrows GNSO Council call Yes
10:32:46 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Thank you Justine for sharing it over the email
10:33:13 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone : Thank you all for the instructive call
10:33:17 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : Hmmm, advice directly to the Board. Sound like an interesting concept.... :-)
10:33:40 From Marita Moll to Everyone : It is a very well composed document. For one thing, they are strongly opposed to rushing into a new round..
10:34:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : SSAC was not a Member per se of the SubProWG so is in no position to make a MR, they could not meet the deadline for Public Comment on the draft Final Report, and there are parts of this Advice in SAAC114 that would have been welcomed and perhaps acted upon if the WG had received them
10:35:01 From Marita Moll to Everyone : Yes, like opposing a new round, I would expect
10:35:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : indeed @Alan nothing pre ICANN 70
10:35:30 From Justine Chew to Everyone : @Alan, yes, exactly, on the timeline for the ALAC Advice.
10:36:23 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Re SSR2, let me know about any further questions!
10:37:21 From Justine Chew to Everyone : @Olivier, I should ask for 360 seconds instead of 60 seconds, for my update. Lol.
10:38:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : agree @JZ we should comment
10:39:13 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : :-) @Justine
10:39:40 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone : @Alan, happy to join you in drafting if this might be useful
10:41:11 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Thanks Joanna. Noted.
10:41:38 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Need to leave. no.
10:41:38 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Noted
10:41:43 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you Alan!
10:41:49 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Oops - Now
10:43:12 From Justine Chew to Everyone : SAC114 is accessible at https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-114-en.pdf
10:43:46 From AK Oloyede to Everyone : bye everyone
10:43:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Bye for now then...
10:44:08 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Thank you all - bye for now
10:44:11 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : Thanks/later all.
10:44:23 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : Thank you all. Bye for now.
10:44:27 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you all
10:44:29 From Hanan Khatib to Everyone : thank you all
10:44:39 From Natalia Filina to Everyone : Bye all!
10:44:43 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone : Thanks bye all
10:44:44 From Alvaro Aguilar-Alfu to Everyone : Finally logged in. Alvaro Aguilar in Panama
10:44:54 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone : Take care everyone… until next time, stay safe and be kind
10:44:54 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : Thank you, all.
10:44:55 From Adam Peake to Everyone : Thank you everyone
10:44:56 From Marita Moll to Everyone : Bye all
10:44:58 From Vanda Scartezini to Everyone : thanks for this interesting meeting
10:45:02 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE to Everyone : buy
10:45:05 From Aris Ignacio to Everyone : Thanks!
10:45:06 From Adrian to Everyone : thanks!!!
10:45:08 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE to Everyone : bye