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Members: Stephen Deerhake, Danko Jevtovic, Nigel Roberts, Mijana Tasic, Peter Koch, Patricio Poblete, Sean Copeland, Allan MacGillivray, Svitlana Tkachenko, Nick Wenban-Smith, Barbara Povse, Barrack Otieno
Participants:
Observers and experts: Jaap Akkerhuis
Staff: Bart Boswinkel, Bernie Turcotte, Kim Carlson
Apologies: Naela Sarras, Kristina Hakobyan, Martin Boyle
Agenda:
1. Welcome & Roll Call
2. Administrative Announcements (if any)
3. Action Items
3.1 Chair to send letter to ccNSO Council on Bylaw change
4. Duration of the Retirement Process
5. Discussion of Other Questions
6. Next Steps Leading to Kobe
7. AOB
8. Next Meetingst
Documents:
- ccpdp-ret.managerdefinition.letter.2019-01-11.pdf
- ccpdp-ret.policyreqsandconsiderationsV1.4BT.pdf
- ccPDP-RET.Questions.Duration.Retirement.Process.v01.13December2018.pdf
Recordings: ACRecordings: AC
Transcript: EN
Chat Transcript:
Kimberly Carlson:Hi all, welcome to today's cc PDP on retirement call on 17 January at 11:00 UTC.
Bernard Turcotte:hello
Joke Braeken:hello everyone
Mirjana Tasic .rs:Hi all!
Patricio Poblete:Hello
Sean Copeland:Good Morning
jaap akkerhuis:I'll restart adobe since the flah thong is playing up
Svitlana Tkachenko:Good morning!
Kimberly Carlson:doc can be scrolled
Bernard Turcotte:all good here
Kimberly Carlson:Barrack is on audio only today
Nigel Roberts:hi
Nigel Roberts:adobe app is not being nice to me
Nigel Roberts:check audio
Nigel Roberts:noted
Bernard Turcotte:7 green ticks
Bernard Turcotte:no red ticks
jaap akkerhis:As advising expert on MA 3166, I probably shpuld stay out of this particular discussion
Svitlana Tkachenko:agree
Stephen Deerhake:OK, so we could barely hear Nick and Patricio jst blew out my speakers... I could not understand a word he said... AC issue?
Bernard Turcotte:My understanding of Patricio, I think, was its not about cooperation but rather about having a good plan?
Nick Wenban-Smith:Patricio a bit distorted but in essence yes I think. So for example the default might be set at (for example) 5 years. But by discussion and agreement btween the ccTLD and IANA that could be a longer period (up to a max of 10 years say) or even shorter perhaps if that's appropriate
Nigel Roberts:i am gettin serious interference when I connect audio
Kimberly Carlson:Nigel, if you DM me, i would be happy to dial out to you
Nigel Roberts:thanks will do
Allan MacGillivray:Bart - would there be a possibilty of a time extension after the default time period?
Nick Wenban-Smith:yes 5 years default even without agreemetn with IANA is about right I think
Nigel Roberts:its working if I disable my mic
Nigel Roberts:there’s a moral there
Данко Јевтовић (Danko Jevtovic):then extension should be possible?
Svitlana Tkachenko:5 years as default is reasonable with possibility to extend the duration (it ccTLD cooperate with icann and need more time)
Bernard Turcotte:7 green ticks, no red
Nigel Roberts:i have a mild preference for 10 to be blunt
Nick Wenban-Smith:I think 10 years is the carrot for the ccTLD to agreement something with IANA
Nigel Roberts:interests of the registrant .. thinking of the too cohort ones in the past
Данко Јевтовић (Danko Jevtovic):I beleive it is good to have managers motivation to get longer period
Nigel Roberts:short
Mirjana Tasic .rs:+1 Danko
Данко Јевтовић (Danko Jevtovic):but, we should alse care for the registrants - so that registry cannot make the period too short
Barbara:agree with Danko
Nick Wenban-Smith:10 years, 12 tops
Mirjana Tasic .rs:+1 Danko & Barbara
Nigel Roberts:I like 10 +2 extension possible
Данко Јевтовић (Danko Jevtovic):10 years ok, but extenios might be needed
Nigel Roberts:10 max
Svitlana Tkachenko:10 years max
Данко Јевтовић (Danko Jevtovic):not that I know of
Patricio Poblete:(Sorry about the audio earlier. I was walking through the park on my way to the office)
Patricio Poblete:(What I tried to say that rather than "cooperation", I would talk about action on the part of the ccTLD operator. There should be a default duration, but the ccTLD operator might present a case for a longer term)
Barbara:You sounded like Kraftwerk band, Patricio :-) (www.kraftwerk.com)
Patricio Poblete:LOL
jaap akkerhis:A country doesn;t need to cease to exist, it can just want to change it's code.
Patricio Poblete:I fully agree with Allan. This does not happen in a vacuum. Presumably, this is a consquence of important events happening in the real world, affecting the name of the country, or the very existance of the country.
Allan MacGillivray:Yes
Allan MacGillivray:Stephen - in community engagement sessions, will we be tieing the 10 year period to the believed maximum lenght of registrations?
Nick Wenban-Smith:yes, I think that's the logic
Patricio Poblete:We cap at 10 years
Patricio Poblete:You can only renew for the remaining time until 10 years
Barrack Otieno:10 Years is reasonable
Bart Boswinkel:But we ned to add logic tothis period
Patricio Poblete:I was talking about our max registration period. This is 10 years.
Barrack Otieno:I am in agreement Stephen
Svitlana Tkachenko:yes , 10 year is ok
Bernard Turcotte:Min 5 years - mas 10 years
Kimberly Carlson:Peter is the only one on audio only currently
Bernard Turcotte:8 green ticks no red ticks
Patricio Poblete:Are there scenarios where 5 years could be too long? I am thinking of a country changing its name and wishing to migrate quickly to the new code
Bernard Turcotte:Including peter
Bernard Turcotte:Peter (sorry)
Svitlana Tkachenko:Kimberly: add me (i can't click green tick)
Bernard Turcotte:9 green ticks no red
Svitlana Tkachenko:agree with Danko: interests of registrant are first.
Mirjana Tasic .rs:I ma supporting Danko's discussion, we should take care of registrants interest
Allan MacGillivray:Defer to Bart!
Nick Wenban-Smith:I agree with Allan's recollection plus also I think it's a PTI decision
Nick Wenban-Smith:Be good to get that clear with Kim
Patricio Poblete:Speaking as someone who has had sometimes to rubberstamp things, I can say that the final responsibility remains on the rubberstamper
Bernard Turcotte:;-)
Nick Wenban-Smith:It's midday here - peak productivity!
Kimberly Carlson:31st at 17:00 UTC
Bernard Turcotte:bye all
Allan MacGillivray:Bye all
Patricio Poblete:Good bye everyone
Joke Braeken:thank you all. Goodbye
Данко Јевтовић (Danko Jevtovic):I am lookimg forward to seeing you in Kobe
Mirjana Tasic .rs:Bye all
Barbara:Thank you and bye
Barrack Otieno:none from me
Данко Јевтовић (Danko Jevtovic):thanks Stephen, Bart, all
Barrack Otieno:bye all
Kimberly Carlson:F2F is 9 March, blocks 4 and 5
Svitlana Tkachenko:thanks all.
Nick Wenban-Smith:thanks!
Sean Copeland:Night
jaap akkerhis:Bye all
Bart Boswinkel:Bye all