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Yvette Guigneaux: (1/25/2017 09:29) Welcome all to the Guidelines for Guide Faith Subgroup |
Meeting #9 | 25 January @ 19:00 UTC!
Yvette Guigneaux: (09:29) To mute & unmute phone, please press *6
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (10:57) hello all
Julf Helsingius: (10:59) Evening
Lito Ibarra: (11:00) Hello
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:02) no worries =)
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:05) scrolling available if need be
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:05) First Reading
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:06) 8 February
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:06) so we need it February 1
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:06) yes
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:07) Bernie is handling notes for you today
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:07) individual control
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:07) individual control
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:14) probably best to clarify
avri doria: (11:15) 'entire members' doesn't even makse sense as a stand along phrase. how do we define a partial member. probably enough to say the membership.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:15) good
Alan Greenberg: (11:17) from Sam
Alan Greenberg: (11:17) Could there be a problem with divisions of opinion within SOs and ACs as each SO/AC puts specific processes in place, and issues over whether or not they are according to the set of guidelines? Would normal consensus procedures be adequate to resolve such differences here or is there need for something beyond the individual SOs and ACs to be involved?
Alan Greenberg: (11:18) My thoughts are that since an SO/AC has to build a coalition to remove nomcom appointees, it would be up to the other SO/AC’s to determine adequacy of any procedures. I believe that we may have touched on this in earlier dicussions.
Alan Greenberg: (11:18) If there a dispute over whether or not guideline based processes, as developed, are followed within a particular SO/AC action, how would that be resolved?
Alan Greenberg: (11:18) The SO/AC would resolve that internally if challenge is internal. If challenge is external, then if the SO/AC is relying on a coalition, it will have to support its actions. If potential coalition partners question the process, it will have to be reconciled with the SO/AC
avri doria: (11:20) oh well
avri doria: (11:21) still hear nothing. need to reboot. later .
avri doria: (11:21) not even sure you see what i type.
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:21) we see you in the chat Avri
Bernard Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:22) we see you in the chatt
Julf Helsingius: (11:23) avri, can you hear us?
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:23) i think Avri got booted out of the AC Room or got disconnected
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:23) working on getting her back in
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:25) Avri - you good?
avri doria: (11:25) in trying to fix microphone, i lost audio. from expereinnce i have learned it is quickest to just uses the biggest hammer and reboot.
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:26) lol
avri doria: (11:26) yes seems ok now, thogh until i try to talk wont knwo for sure.
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:26) do you want me to try dialing you in Avri on your cell?
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:26) ok we'll try it, let me know if you need a hand
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:26) not our job to describe the collaborative processes just refer to the requirements for it
Alan Greenberg: (11:29) When I say "secretariat", I am talking about a small fraction of on person mandated to do this.
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:30) Yes Minister
Alan Greenberg: (11:30) Don't make fun of one of the best TV shows of all time!
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:30) +1
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:32) written and verifiable
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:38) lol
avri doria: (11:39) well if the purpose is indemnification, we need to be legalistic. of course i am not a lawyer.
Lito Ibarra: (11:39) Avri, the interpretation of the word "Should" is why I asked if ALL of the conditions below (1 to 6) need to be satisfied, if applicable.
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:40) +1
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:40) Time check 20 minutes left in call
avri doria: (11:41) btw, no comment i make is a 'die in the ditch' comment.
Alan Greenberg: (11:41) But if the person has never been seen in purple pants, and you have no evidence, it is NOT a valid reason
avri doria: (11:42) so it if for any true reason.
avri doria: (11:42) so it is for any true reason.
Alan Greenberg: (11:42) I can live with must
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:43) and use the panting system to validate the purple
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:43) painting is supposed to be Pantone
Lito Ibarra: (11:44) Although English is not my mother tongue, "must" is a good option
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:44) must works for me
avri doria: (11:44) for 2b recommend replacing entire members with membership
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:45) yup... believed to be......
avri doria: (11:46) 2c recommend replacing transparent voting with transparent use of a voting method
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:46) then validation can also include All
avri doria: (11:46) just wanted to get those written in casse we did not get there in time before the end of the meeting.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:46) "allegations" ?
Lito Ibarra: (11:46) Yes to "believed to be..."
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:48) bit of wriggle room
Julf Helsingius: (11:50) It might not be malice, but it might still offend someone's fashion sense
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:51) yup
Julf Helsingius: (11:53) I think so
avri doria: (11:53) ok by me. i could go with this, so am fine going with the new and improved.
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:54) yes
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:54) polishing from today's work required list review then call for consensus pre 1st works
Julf Helsingius: (11:54) Works for me too
Julf Helsingius: (11:55) I agree!
Lito Ibarra: (11:55) 72 hours is ok
avri doria: (11:56) yeah, one of these, silence is consent 72 hours. they can comment during the mtg.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:56) exactly Avri
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:57) use UTC time
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (11:57) 23:59 UTC Sunday
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:57) sold!
Lito Ibarra: (11:59) Thank you. Hasta luego!
avri doria: (12:00) bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:00) bye
Julf Helsingius: (12:00) Thanks everybody
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