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15:36:04 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 24 February 2021 at 13:00 UTC.
15:36:25 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/6wVtCQ
15:57:56 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone : hi everyone
16:00:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : hi all
16:00:23 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : hello everyone
16:02:19 From Herb Waye to Everyone : Greetings all… always nice to be able to join you.
16:02:39 From Jahangir Hossain to Everyone : Hello everyone
16:02:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : hi @herb
16:03:20 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:04:55 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : Welcome all.
16:07:50 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : I don't imagine Graeme is ready yet
16:13:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Thank you Yrio
16:14:25 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone : Thanks @Yjrö -- good to see things are starting up
16:15:24 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Echo comes and goes
16:16:25 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : We’re checking the echo
16:17:21 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone : @CLO, @OCL - you’re welcome, let’s hope we can write a creative end to this saga
16:17:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Thanks @Hadia
16:17:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : indeed @Yrió
16:19:38 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : We do not HAVE to spend time on this. We choose to...
16:20:15 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Nature of ICANN!
16:20:56 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : hello justine
16:23:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : The AI associated with the Resolution is for GNSO Staff to prepare the usual Report for the GNSO to review and send to the Board
16:25:00 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : 1 had Strong Support but significant concern ( the conservative level of significant was used where 4 concerns were raised in the Consensus call this was the matter of Private Auctions)
16:26:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : the matter of closed generics had Consensus as to the fact the PDP could reach no agreement to propose changed to the status quo
16:31:10 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : The goals thing might be affected by the fact that one of the main proponents of the 2013 round (Frank Schilling/Uniregistry) is auctioning off Uniregs's new gTLDs in April. It might be a bellwether event.
16:41:17 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Agree
16:42:10 From Marita Moll to Everyone : completely agree with the path being proposed on slides 1-4.
16:45:21 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : have to leave at the top of the hour for a work meeting
16:47:53 From Roberto to Everyone : There is probably even more that we can recommend to ICANN Board about UA - thinking also that gTLDs have contracts with ICANN
16:48:00 From Marita Moll to Everyone : don't see how to do this. where is the red cross
16:48:15 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : under "reactions," @Marita
16:48:51 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : yes quick poll on chat
16:49:06 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Poll for Opt 1 or 2 will come up soon
16:50:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : I'm hearing the dial out fine
16:50:26 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : I have to leave the call. I vote yes to 1.
16:50:32 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : 1
16:50:35 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : 1
16:50:36 From Justine Chew to Everyone : Recommendation 4 section 3.2.6
16:50:37 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : 1
16:50:39 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone : Adigo is muted from being able to speak on Zoom
16:50:39 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone : 1
16:50:41 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : 1
16:50:45 From Anne-Marie Joly-Bachollet to Everyone : 1
16:51:01 From Roberto to Everyone : 1
16:51:02 From Sébastien Bachollet to Everyone : 1
16:51:14 From Marita Moll to Everyone : I think we should leave it alone -- so option 2
16:51:21 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : 1
16:51:26 From alberto soto to Everyone : 1
16:51:39 From Gordon Chillcott to Everyone : 2
16:51:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : yes Hands will stay up
16:52:06 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone : 1
16:52:43 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone : The new Zoom reactions green tick & red cross coming down automatically is a nuisance
16:53:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : @JZ you can call next for any abstensions to be hand raised next (as one does in many votes - noting this is a temp taking poll)
16:53:30 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Ok, Cheryl
16:54:34 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : The board needs to be aware of what is likely to happen and not be surprised when it does.
16:55:19 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : The board needs all input that it can get from expert groups. It is more procedural.
16:55:58 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : Agree with Justine.
16:56:10 From Marita Moll to Everyone : I would be okay with that @ Justine
16:56:12 From Gordon Chillcott to Everyone : I would agree with that
16:56:17 From Marita Moll to Everyone : good resolution of this
16:56:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Yes looking into it has no down side from my POV
16:56:38 From alberto soto to Everyone : Sorry, they come to repair my notebook, I must retire. Thanks and regards
16:57:48 From Roberto to Everyone : @OCL - under Preferences there is an option “Feedback” where we can raise the issue about green/red persistence to Zoom customer service
16:58:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : SSAC here is taking an not unexpected purist technical view the strings are not S
16:59:32 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : disallow one kind, allow a certain other kind would lead to convenient interpretations
16:59:58 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : especially in the TLD space
17:00:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : *seen* as similar or different in the machine reading in for the case of plurals etc., in their view a string is a string that is it.... human confusability takes into count meaning but that is not a technical issue and they are not interested in intended uses at all...
17:00:52 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : It is tailor-made for introducing typosquatting and confusion. Also there's a kind of fratricide when one of the gTLDs goes low-end/discounting and destroys the value of the other. (.LOAN/.LOANS being the best example).
17:01:03 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : Point 3 is quite right
17:02:17 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Money changes everything. I'm inclined to agree with the SSAC concerns
17:02:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Our job for at-Large is always to consider the effect of things on Internet Users
17:02:39 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : .PRO was a bit of a disaster that exected millions of registrations and then the domain name business changed.
17:02:46 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : expected
17:03:32 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Let's go to the queue
17:04:18 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : Have there ever been any actions taken against registries over PICs?
17:05:21 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : There was at least one successful PICDRP but not much enforcement thus far but not many complaints either
17:05:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Sub Pro proceeded in our work with the assumption that any PICs or RVCs would be something ICANN could indeed hold as contracted
17:07:00 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : From the 2013 round, many of those wonderful PICs never survived the collapse of some of the registries' business models.
17:07:23 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : Being cynical, if it is not in the contract, it is just an aspiration.
17:08:46 From Sébastien Bachollet to Everyone : Never too late
17:09:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Well some of us still think they can be made enforceable @Alan third party assessments etc., will avoid the issue raised by some board members as a *possible* issue with the new byLaws
17:10:13 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : It is still not a truth either just a possible concern
17:10:25 From Carlton Samuels to Everyone : I hate to say some of us knew they were unenforceable from day 1
17:10:59 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : .BIZ 2.0 (Was meant to be for busineses and then the DotCOM bubble burst).
17:15:02 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : gTLDs targeting mass markets rather than one brand gTLD and one massmarket gTLD might be better for analysis.
17:16:55 From Herb Waye to Everyone : I must leave… take care everyone. Be kind.
17:17:10 From Marita Moll to Everyone : I like Alan's wording
17:17:34 From Marita Moll to Everyone : Puts the onus on the board
17:17:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : That is why I said a possible concern of some Board members @Alan I was very particular in my choice of words
17:18:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Absatain
17:18:22 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Yes, Cheryl, understood.
17:18:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Abstsaining
17:18:53 From Roberto to Everyone : who determines if a word is the plural of a word or a completely different word - given that there are many languages in the world?
17:18:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : reconsidering to align with SSAC is the Option 2
17:19:11 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : We implicitly supported.
17:19:22 From Michael Palage to Everyone : @Jonathan - I agree 9 times out of 10 time singular/plural is likely to be problematic, thus why I think there should be a presumption of confusion/harm, however, the 1 out of 10 is why I think that presumption could be rebuttable.
17:19:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : So we are now not supporting the use of PICS
17:19:50 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Let's move on. TIme is short.
17:19:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : or RVCs
17:21:14 From Marita Moll to Everyone : I agree with Justine on slide 7
17:21:40 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : Aligning with SSAC and GAC on select concerns is always an option.
17:21:58 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Agree Michael. So some mechanism to specify a belief that it won't be confusing could be judged. that's different than a PIC stating the two parties will simply play nice
17:23:14 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : @Michael The brand/generic does seem to be a different argument to two generic gTLDs targeting the mass market. They may need to be treated differently.
17:23:46 From Marita Moll to Everyone : Just wanted to congratulate Seb and the whole Euralo team on yesterday's roundtable. I learned a lot and am already going back to the slides.
17:24:02 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : @MIcheal There may be something other than the example string, strings that may come up as an unforeseen "good" similarity, but if the rule provides for such a distinction the rule could be conveniently interpreted, but whenever there is a rule, any rule is made, there could be a general provision to consider extraordinary exceptions with caution.
17:24:14 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : A general rule on exceptions and unfroreseen rules
17:24:24 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you Alan
17:24:53 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : Exceptions taken up only in extraordinary cases
17:26:16 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : The OFB-WG agenda for today’s call is at: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/2021-02-24+Operations%2C+Finance+and+Budget+Working+Group+%28OFB-WG%29+Call
17:27:12 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : RSVP for the ICANN Stakeholder Assembly: Briefing by the European Commission on the Recent EU Initiatives on Digital Services and Cybersecurity on Friday, 26 February 2021 at 15:30 UTC. Webinar registration link here: https://icann.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_3DjDGwH7Q0KsKLtBYElkBA
17:30:28 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : +1
17:31:07 From Roberto to Everyone : Book already the call in two weeks :-)
17:31:42 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Wheeeee, 5am!
17:32:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : I will start making apologies for all 1300 calls soon
17:32:42 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Bye
17:32:43 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you all!
17:32:44 From Marita Moll to Everyone : bye and see some of you later at OFG mtg
17:32:45 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : Thanks and bye to all
17:32:46 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Thanks
17:32:50 From John McCormac - author of Domnomics to Everyone : Later all
17:32:51 From Roberto to Everyone : bye
17:32:57 From Harold Arcos to Everyone : thanks to all,,