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00:27:19 Michelle DeSmyter: Welcome everyone to the ICANN68 Planning Committee Call!
00:30:49 Michelle DeSmyter: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bL-6XJIvToFxSv0y1-NK9xZ2Gry7kERjf6TUGKg9wow/edit#gid=794324439
00:31:16 sergio salinas porto LACRALO: hi all!
00:31:34 Michelle DeSmyter: Welcome Sergio!
00:39:19 Gisella Gruber: Update from GAC Support staff - GAC & ALAC = Tuesday 02:00-03:00 UTC (60min) which is currently FREE for us!
00:40:22 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: :-)
00:40:52 Holly Raiche: I am looking after the PICs
00:41:04 Jonathan Zuck: Holly
00:41:36 Jonathan Zuck: Satish and I spoke about UA
00:42:02 Jonathan Zuck: Happy to get on the phone and talk about Holly, if that’s helpful
00:42:26 Jonathan Zuck: We do NOT have definite time slots do we?
00:45:16 Hadia Elminiawi: We would have justine
00:45:23 Hadia Elminiawi: *could
00:45:48 Hadia Elminiawi: I meant Justine as a panelist
00:46:18 Jonathan Zuck: Definitely!
00:47:23 Sébastien Bachollet: OCL could be a right moderator
00:47:34 Sébastien Bachollet: And I am available to help
00:48:33 Maureen Hilyard: OCL or Sebastien - a choice :)
00:49:44 Holly Raiche: What about the app being used by Australia/
00:50:52 Holly Raiche: (It has been very contentious and aa good example of the tension between the benefits as against the misuse of the data
00:51:38 Hadia Elminiawi: Thank you
00:52:10 Hadia Elminiawi: I certainly agree to the topic and see it as very important
00:52:40 Hadia Elminiawi: +1 to holly's example
00:52:49 Holly Raiche: @ Joanna - I”ll send you stuff on the app
00:53:32 Holly Raiche: Aust. Privacy Foundation (I am on the Board) would love to talk on the app
00:54:03 Jonathan Zuck: New paper on this: https://medium.com/@DataVersusCovid/its-time-to-get-real-about-covid-apps-dd82e08895f2
00:54:28 Hadia Elminiawi: @Jonathan the site is not reachable
00:55:22 Jonathan Zuck: You can’t get to Medium?
00:55:49 Hadia Elminiawi: @Jonathan yes
00:56:58 Hadia Elminiawi: Are you able to reach the site now?
00:57:57 Jonathan Zuck: Yes. Is it US vs non-US? Is the surveillance topic within ICANN’s remit?
00:58:09 Holly Raiche: For the app - how does that tie back to ICANN?
00:58:53 Joanna Kulesza: It's not a US issue, it's more about the GAC/ALAC position on representing end users
00:59:05 Holly Raiche: @JZ - exactly my question
00:59:15 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Hardly DNS
00:59:34 Joanna Kulesza: As already said - this is why I'm offering this for discussion here, not gonna insist:)
00:59:38 Holly Raiche: Thanks Joanna - there needs to be a link between the app and ICAN
00:59:56 Joanna Kulesza: Patrick JOnes was brilliant in linking this with DNS Abuse
01:00:03 Joanna Kulesza: Happy to discuss the details
01:00:48 Joanna Kulesza: This is the core question: How do governments protect individual rights in the time of the pandemic? How do ICTs fit in?
01:01:11 Daniel K. Nanghaka: And also it would be good to relate it to ICANN's mandate
01:01:12 Joanna Kulesza: My presumed answer is that ICTs fit in app design and mobile service being offered (see the South Korean app)
01:01:53 Daniel K. Nanghaka: What have been the DNS issues in relation to Covid-19 would brings up a stirring discussion
01:02:06 Joanna Kulesza: I originally wanted to explore whether there are different perspectives to this from AtLarge and GAC
01:02:39 Sébastien Bachollet: https://medium.com/@jointstatementnorway/joint-statement-on-contact-tracing-for-norway-331ee49fc6f6
01:02:51 Sébastien Bachollet: From ISOC Norway
01:03:01 Jonathan Zuck: I’m not sure that’s it’s terribly “unique” DNS Abuse, however. Might be a way to make it topical but it’s not really a special kind of abuse.
01:03:37 Hadia Elminiawi: @Joanna it is worth exploring
01:03:43 Hadia Elminiawi: let's look into it
01:03:59 Daniel K. Nanghaka: I think this issue is debatable
01:04:29 Hadia Elminiawi: We just need to tackle it from the perspective of Internet end users and DNS abuse in relation COVID-19
01:04:42 Hadia Elminiawi: But what kind of details?
01:04:46 Holly Raiche: It is very live issue in Oz - as long as it can be tied back to ICANN
01:04:54 Jonathan Zuck: DEFINITELY an important topic.
01:05:17 Hadia Elminiawi: Like are the details in relation to DNS data
01:06:28 Joanna Kulesza: @Holly - I'm curious to learn if we can clearly say it's not ;)
01:07:13 Joanna Kulesza: https://www.brusselstimes.com/opinion/108594/corona-apps-south-korea-and-the-dark-side-of-digital-tracking/ just for reference, I promise not to spam you further
01:07:33 Holly Raiche: I”ll leave fitting it into the ICANN remit up to you. I can provide some good speakers
01:08:05 Joanna Kulesza: Thank you @Holly, we might need to get this group on board first though ;)
01:08:18 Joanna Kulesza: Getting GAC in the room would also be a great progress
01:08:22 Holly Raiche: Up to you - I”m here to help
01:08:46 Yrjo Lansipuro: In our interaction with the GAC, our slogan has been that citizens and end user are pretty much the same people. This has been borne out during the crisis, when the fabric of societies has kept functioning to a large extent due to the Internet.
01:10:10 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Also try to get some Tech Dev perspectives (Google/Apple/etc.,) in such a forum
01:10:20 Holly Raiche: @ Yrjo - EXACTLY
01:10:57 Joanna Kulesza: Thank you @Yrjo, I'm trying to continue the discussion on how far this consensus still stands, especially in these challenging times.
01:11:53 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I suspect the number will be *too many* regardless of the N= factor ;-)
01:11:58 Hadia Elminiawi: +1 Cheryl to getting some tech perspectives
01:12:14 Hadia Elminiawi: Ok thanks
01:14:01 Joanna Kulesza: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/moving-toward-implementation-next-steps-for-work-stream-2
01:15:40 Joanna Kulesza: I'd still keep them in the week before
01:15:50 Joanna Kulesza: unless we decide otherwise
01:15:56 Joanna Kulesza: sounds great Maureen!:)
01:16:04 Joanna Kulesza: we'll get this sorted out :)
01:16:27 Joanna Kulesza: Happy to have this as an AI in my name (unless Hadia wants to pick it up:D)
01:16:34 Hadia Elminiawi: I raised the topic of work stream 2 on the last call but I am not sure it did receive any support.
01:17:25 Joanna Kulesza: @Hadia, I'll report back after tomorrow's CCWG HR call tomorrow, we'll see where we stand
01:17:53 Hadia Elminiawi: @Joanna sounds good - I did not mean to pick it up
01:19:52 Heidi Ullrich: We’ll be contacting the cooking school
01:20:01 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I thought so yes
01:20:10 Heidi Ullrich: As agreed by this group on the Skype chat
01:20:16 Hadia Elminiawi: @heidi - good
01:20:28 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: RIPE did a cookoing demo/meetup
01:20:29 Heidi Ullrich: it is a good solution as it brings in KL culture
01:20:42 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Indeed !
01:20:49 Joanna Kulesza: Now will there be a tentative CrossCommunityCookingWorkingGroup (CCC WG)? Where's the GDPR consent for that one?
01:21:05 Hadia Elminiawi: @Joanna :0
01:21:09 Hadia Elminiawi: :)
01:21:14 Joanna Kulesza: :D I volunteer for that one!
01:22:25 Jonathan Zuck: Remo.co
01:23:34 Sébastien Bachollet: Cane we papy Poker at the table?
01:23:45 Sébastien Bachollet: Play
01:23:46 Jonathan Zuck: Sure!
01:24:39 Jonathan Zuck: Im happy to host a virtual game because I’m doing that all the time with friends. Other stuff will require more of a team concept
01:24:41 Heidi Ullrich: @Maureen, we can have the details next time of the cooking course
01:24:51 Heidi Ullrich: I think it is not a contet
01:26:27 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: make some final decisions is essential!
01:26:52 Joanna Kulesza: censorship!
01:27:05 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: We saw your image earlier
01:27:54 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes it makes sense
01:28:37 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: SubPro has timers as part of the zoom rooms at each call it does take some apace
01:28:45 Jonathan Zuck: They’re saying a screen and just. Running a timer on that screen which means they have to advance the slides as well
01:28:56 Gisella Gruber: Love your filming studio JZ, come bunker!
01:28:58 Michelle DeSmyter: Yes, same time next week
01:29:00 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Bye for now
01:29:02 Jonathan Zuck: Sorry “sharing” a screen
01:29:05 Hadia Elminiawi: Thank you all
01:29:05 Daniel K. Nanghaka: Okay
01:29:09 Daniel K. Nanghaka: sounds good
01:29:15 Heidi Ullrich: Thanks, All.
01:29:15 Joanna Kulesza: Thanks all!
01:29:18 Daniel K. Nanghaka: Thank you - all bye and stay safe