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12:57:54 From Herb Waye : Hello all
12:58:01 From Amrita Choudhury : Hi Everyone
12:58:07 From Alperen Eken : Hi, welcome all!
12:58:40 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Hi everyone!
12:58:43 From Sarah Kiden : Hi everyone!
13:01:28 From Judith Hellerstein : hi all
13:02:08 From Heidi Ullrich : Welcome, All.
13:05:15 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Hi All
13:06:14 From David Mackey : Hi All, sorry for my tardiness. I had to fight a bit with a Zoom install. luckily I won.
13:06:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : :-)
13:07:10 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Good one David
13:07:12 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : I do not have permission to see this docuemnt
13:07:14 From Heidi Ullrich : Evin is on
13:08:23 From Heidi Ullrich : @Eduardo, I’ve asked Alp to give you access.
13:08:24 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : The same @Eduardo
13:09:21 From Judith Hellerstein : @evin or @heidi can you help grant access
13:09:43 From Alperen Eken : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jPI9qQ0_h3B04iEAarmbcm_0NZM9LcctyyQC3ACS7LQ/edit?usp=sharing
13:09:57 From Alperen Eken : Here is the link, please let me know if you have problems
13:10:25 From Heidi Ullrich : @Judith, Alp has granted access to Eduardo.
13:10:30 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Thanks @Alperen
13:10:37 From Heidi Ullrich : Eduardo, do you have access now?
13:10:37 From Judith Hellerstein : great that was not my question
13:11:19 From Roberto : Not very good, but Google is getting better
13:11:51 From Heidi Ullrich : All but one of our staff are bi-multi lingual.
13:12:14 From Yrjo Lansipuro : I wouldn’t rely on Google on this sort of documents
13:12:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : surely that aids in cross checking how good any G translate is and then push to the Language services if needs be
13:12:50 From Sarah Kiden : Yes, Google Translate first then language services
13:13:26 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Its important to proof read google translate
13:13:38 From David Mackey : I agree with Sarah
13:13:51 From Amrita Choudhury : yes proof reading is imp
13:14:05 From Heidi Ullrich : Perhaps if there is an application that is submitted in a language other than EN, the process adds a week to the process.
13:14:15 From Ali AlMeshal : Yes , G Translate to start with
13:14:35 From Amrita Choudhury : sometimes literal translation loses the essence of the translation
13:15:06 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : +1 @Amrita
13:15:15 From Sarah Kiden : Agree with Amrita
13:15:29 From Ali AlMeshal : @Evin, what is the % of non-english you have in a year ?
13:16:13 From David Mackey : +1 @Alan
13:16:18 From Alperen Eken : We can create a system where only the input is translated
13:16:19 From Heidi Ullrich : Agree, Alan.
13:16:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : on the few times when as @Evin noted we get applications in in other than EN
13:16:32 From Alperen Eken : We can create a system where only the input is translated by language services
13:16:36 From Nadira Al Araj : I don't think we need to get into the mechanism of how the translation is done.
13:16:36 From Sarah Kiden : Yes
13:18:26 From Nadira Al Araj : It is good to be keep rejected application in records but not public
13:18:45 From Nadira Al Araj : sure after been discussed
13:21:04 From Evin Erdoğdu : In the past, if a weak application was received, it was suggested they withdraw, but only after consulting the RALO leadership and ALAC Chair.
13:22:19 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : IMO Every case of rejection is important for discussion and undestanding, too. I don't think there's a problem with publicity names of orgs
13:24:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yup!
13:24:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : exactly @Evin
13:24:28 From Alperen Eken : https://atlarge.icann.org/als-application-tracking
13:24:39 From Heidi Ullrich : There has always been a public page imo
13:24:49 From Evin Erdoğdu : https://atlarge.icann.org/als-application-tracking
13:24:49 From Judith Hellerstein : i think that it is good to continue to track this info and like the transparency of it
13:26:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I don't believe any of that is currently Public ED
13:26:11 From Judith Hellerstein : There is no names there
13:26:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Entity information should not be Provate anyway
13:27:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : only say the personal emails details of applicants would be
13:28:39 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : @Judith: I see names and emails - Example: https://atlarge-rails-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/als_document/document/073ee8ec-d040-49bc-bd6e-64e1928ce031/als_appl%20ISOC%20GAMBIA.pdf
13:28:51 From David Mackey : Three are application forms are available - three on AFRALO, one on APRALO
13:29:29 From Sarah Kiden : Noted that as well @David
13:29:45 From Judith Hellerstein : yes. i am on. a smaller screen so did not see that some applications had a pdf application linked. i think these can be removed and just the status of the application be allowed
13:30:04 From David Mackey : @ Sarah, you probably wrote it in clearer language than I did :-)
13:30:28 From Sarah Kiden : :-)
13:30:55 From Sarah Kiden : @David I was saying I noticed that. Not noted
13:34:49 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy : Apologies. I need to sign off
13:34:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : You should note that the PDF's that are linked are from VERY old applications 2012 and 2014 so the links are probably a "legacy"issue from prervious tracking page formate transfer
13:35:00 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : they can be removed
13:35:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : from the Public page
13:39:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : dding to the DD form is fone but the APplications stays as is unless the applicant updates it IMO
13:39:55 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes good idea @Evin some required sections
13:39:55 From Heidi Ullrich : Does the application address the possibility of global groups - esp. global virtual groups?
13:40:08 From Evin Erdoğdu : :) sounds good
13:40:12 From Sarah Kiden : Can additional information be in a separate document?
13:42:22 From Judith Hellerstein : oh @heidi so we can add special interest groups
13:43:13 From Judith Hellerstein : yes our accessibility special interest group would love to join
13:44:00 From Judith Hellerstein : i think you said that more than ½ have to be from the region
13:44:01 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : we have, SIG may define about the main region. I proposed to join us to our SIG IoT
13:44:18 From David Mackey : I think Alp brings up a good point about the future need for virtualized global groups.
13:44:22 From Heidi Ullrich : Thanks, Alan. Good explanation.
13:44:59 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : @David, what do you mean by Virtualised global groups?
13:45:25 From Roberto : My personal opinion is that owe need to revise these geographical criteria for groups extending over more regions - we also have the case of extending on more countries within the RALO
13:45:38 From Ali AlMeshal : Virtualized groups are coming soon and we need to be ready for it
13:45:49 From Heidi Ullrich : +1 Ali
13:45:57 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : @Daniel, without physical office etc. Like all SIG in ISOC
13:46:20 From Heidi Ullrich : @Daniel, virtualised groups exist virtually with global members.
13:46:24 From David Mackey : What I heard Alp say, is that he is aware of cross-national groups that are self organizing on the Internet. I’m aware of at least one of these groups, although they have not applied to ICANN recognition.
13:46:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : In the future we could ask for a self determination
13:46:38 From Roberto : @Alan Understood about the current rules - what I think is that in a near future we need to revise that
13:46:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : indeed we did @Alan
13:46:48 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : @Ali we may meet this case fith first SIG and will find the solution soon i guess
13:47:33 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : with*
13:47:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Work in Progress but our work is looking FORWARD
13:50:10 From Judith Hellerstein : thanks @alan. yes . accessibility sig would love to apply in APRALO
13:50:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : We understand the now issue ALi bit the Rules in existance do NOT apply in a way that easily works
13:50:25 From Alperen Eken : From the Document:PROPOSED WORDING: Be organised so that participation by individual Internet users who are citizens or residents of countries within the ICANN Geographic Region in which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS' operation. The ALS may permit additional participation by others that is compatible with the interests of the individual Internet users within the region. In exceptional circumstances, an ALS that spans ICANN Geographic regions without its there being a clear Region from which the ALS is governed may select one of the regions that it covers as its deemed home region. Like for every ALS, there is no prohibition from participating in the activities of another region, but for the purposes of voting or record keeping, it is effectively “tethered” to its deemed region.
13:50:35 From Judith Hellerstein : @ali we would love to apply as our president and VP are from the APRALO region
13:50:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : so things like self determination in an Application might be a solution
13:51:57 From Judith Hellerstein : so can a group participate in APRALO if they are not yet an ALS? do they get an observer status?
13:52:48 From Ali AlMeshal : @Judith, i think this topic need to be addressed in the bylaw discussion
13:53:20 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : It works just with individuals @Judith - observer status
13:54:44 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Yes, I agree the RALO leadership should provide input into the application
13:54:55 From Amrita Choudhury : dood
13:55:02 From Heidi Ullrich : RALO leadership vs Regional leadership is different - and likely slightly regionally specific.
13:55:23 From Amrita Choudhury : sorry good.
13:55:49 From Heidi Ullrich : Chair/VC/Sec is RALO Leadership
13:56:02 From Ali AlMeshal : I am with it
13:56:13 From Heidi Ullrich : The term “regional leadership’ is in the text...
13:56:38 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you!
13:56:39 From Judith Hellerstein : thanks @alan as we have to go to the Naralo meeting
13:56:41 From David Mackey : Thanks Alan, Thanks All. :-)
13:56:54 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : thank you Alan, all!
13:57:52 From Heidi Ullrich : Regional Leadership if ALAC /Delegates are involved
13:58:22 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Need to leave for another meeting
13:58:36 From Heidi Ullrich : Correct, Alan
13:58:45 From Heidi Ullrich : Correct, again, Alan
13:58:49 From Sarah Kiden : AFRALO too
13:59:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now then...
13:59:02 From Ali AlMeshal : thanks all
13:59:05 From Roberto : Bye
13:59:06 From Herb Waye : bye
13:59:06 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Bye and Thanks to you all