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Members: Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Eduardo = Diaz, Elise Lindeberg, Greg Shatan, Jaap Akkerhuis, Jonathan Robinson, Oliv= ier Crepin-Leblond, Paul Kane, Seun Ojedeji, Wanawit Ahkuputra
Participants: Chuck Gomes, Jari Arkko, Jordan Car= ter, Jorge Cancio, Kavouss Arasteh, Martin Boyle, Mary Uduma, Matthew Shear= s, Sabine Meyer
Legal Counsel: Josh Hofheimer, Sharon Flanagan, Y= ael Resnick
Staff: Brenda Brewer, Elise Gerich, Nathalie Verg= nolle, Samantha Eisner, Trang Nguyen, Xavier Calvez, Yuko Green
Apologies: Lise Fuhr
**Please let Brenda know if your name has been left off the list (at= tendees or apologies).**
1. Status Update = ;(Chairs)
2. Implementatio= n Update
&nbs= p; =E2=80=A2 Staff update
&nbs= p; =E2=80=A2 NTIA implementation rep= ort
3. Key Issu= es (with Sidley)
&nbs= p; =E2=80=A2 PTI Bylaws
&nbs= p; =E2=80=A2 Naming Functions Agreem= ent
&nbs= p; =E2=80=A2 Services Agreement
&nbs= p; =E2=80=A2 IANA IPR
&nbs= p; =E2=80=A2 IANA Budget process&nbs= p;and assessment
4. Client C= ommittee
5. AOB
1. I= ntroduction/Status Update (by Jonathan Robinson)=
2. I= mplementation update by Trang
Remaining= items not yet completed: PTI Bylaws, Na= ming and Services agreements, IANA IPR, escal= ation processes updates and IRP updates
NTIA = ;reviewed ICANN's implementation report and answer= ed they would let the contract expire on= Sept 30th.
3. K= ey Issues
3.1&n= bsp;PTI bylaws
Status&nb= sp;Update by Sam Eisner
4 co= mments received
ICANN&nbs= p;proposes a change of language regarding the= term limit of initial/interim independent di= rectors
3.2&n= bsp;Naming Functions Agreement
Presentat= ion of how Sidley's comments and Paul Ka= ne's comments were incorporated in the agreem= ent (by Trang)
ACTION: Sidley to prepare an = ;outstanding issues' list re: CWG comments on= Naming Function agreement
3.3&n= bsp;Services agreement
Issues&nb= sp;list produced by Sidley
Sidley&nb= sp;asking CWG to review specifically Schedule = ;A of the agreement (list of services pr= ovided by ICANN to PTI)
ACTION (staff): Circulate Services&nbs= p;agreement to CWG and former IOTF group = ;and request input on Schedule A
3.4&n= bsp;IANA IPR
Presentat= ion of potential signatory (by Sharon)
Proposal&= nbsp;to go with ICANN. Practical alternative = would be to have an Unincorporated Associatio= n of the Naming community, but due to&nb= sp;lack of time, ICANN seems to be a&nbs= p;more suitable solution.
ACTION: Sidley to provide CWG&nbs= p;with list of issues to be dealt with&n= bsp;if ICANN is the chosen signatory. =
3.5&n= bsp;IANA Budget process and assessment
Presentat= ion of the proposed IANA budget process = (by Xavier)
Presentat= ion of assessment of compliance with the = ;proposal (by Chuck)
4. C= lient committee
No a= dditional issues
5. A= OB
No A= OB
Brenda Brewer: (8/18/2016 00:20) = Good day all and welcome to the CWG IANA Meeting #88 on 18 August 2016 @ 06= :00 UTC!
Jonathan Robinson: (00:56) H= ello All
Kavouss Arasteh: (00:56) Dea= r Jonathan
Kavouss Arasteh: (00:57) Goo= d European time morning
Jordan Carter (.nz): (00:57)= kia ora everyone, hello
Kavouss Arasteh: (00:57) Pls= read me mails sent to you few days ago and the one sent fewmintues ago
martin boyle, Nominet: (00:5= 7) Mornin' all
Chuck Gomes (RySG): (00:58) = Hello
Jonathan Robinson: (00:58) T= hank-you Kavouss. I did read them carefully.
Kavouss Arasteh: (00:59) pls= kindly advise the duration of yiur meeting today?
Jonathan Robinson: (00:59) P= lease note that Sidley has prepared a table with 5 potential options for si= gnatory to the Community Agreement. We will review those in the IANA IPR se= ction today
Josh Hofheimer (Sidley): (00= :59) Hello
Jonathan Robinson: (01:00) T= he call is scheduled to run from 06h00 to 08h00 UTC
Jonathan Robinson: (01:00) P= erhaps we can complete in one hour? :-)
Kavouss Arasteh: (01:00) som= e people are highly paid for these meetings
Yuko Green: (01:00) All, we = will get started shortly
Kavouss Arasteh: (01:01) I a= m not paid any penny at all
Jonathan Robinson: (01:01) A= ll. Thank-you for your prompt attendance. We will commence in approx 1 minu= te
Jonathan Robinson: (01:02) @= All. Please ensure mics are muted when not speaking.
Yuko Green: (01:06) Implemen= tation Status Update submitted to NTIA on 12 August can be found here:
Yuko Green: (01:06) https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-stewa= rdship-implementation-planning-status-12aug16-en.pdf
Yuko Green: (01:06) A respon= se from NTIA can be found here: https://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/20160= 816marby.pdf
Kavouss Arasteh: (01:16) jus= t for curosity
Kavouss Arasteh: (01:16) How= Jonathan and Lise were nominated to serve as the two interim Directors
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (01:16) = back in the AC room now I needed to drop and switch to another device
Kavouss Arasteh: (01:16) No = doubt they are the most suitable and most competent ones
Sharon Flanagan (Sidley): (0= 1:16) We agree this is a sensible change
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (01:17) = thx Sharon
Samantha Eisner: (01:17) 5.5= .2 No Nominating Committee Director may serve more than two consecutive ter= ms. For these purposes, a person elected to fill a vacancy in a term shall = not be deemed to have served that term, and service as an Initial Director = shall not count as a term for the purpose of this Section. There shall be n= o limit on the number of terms an ICANN Director (other than the President)= may serve. The term as an ICANN Director of the person holding the office = of President shall be for as long as, and only for as long as, such person = holds the office of President.
Samantha Eisner: (01:18) 5.5= .2 No Nominating Committee Director may serve more than two consecutive ter= ms. For these purposes, a person elected to fill a vacancy in a term shall = not be deemed to have served that term, and service as an Initial Director = shall not count as a term for the purpose of this Section. There shall be n= o limit on the number of terms an ICANN Director (other than the President)= may serve. The term as an ICANN Director of the person holding the office = of President shall be for as long as, and only for as long as, such person = holds the office of President.
Avri Doria: (01:18) makes se= nse to me. seems quite normal.
Sharon Flanagan (Sidley): (0= 1:18) we should clarify it doesn't count only for that first short period= span>
Kavouss Arasteh: (01:19) Cou= lld some one answer my questions
Sharon Flanagan (Sidley): (0= 1:19) They are not permanently exempt from term limits
matthew shears: (01:19) make= s sense
Sharon Flanagan (Sidley): (0= 1:19) correct Chuck
Paul Kane: (01:20) Makes sen= se - I'm not sure why someone would want to be a director!! Kavouss, we jus= t need to nominate two people and Jonathan\Lise offered themselves= p>
Kavouss Arasteh: (01:22) YES= AND TKS
Avri Doria: (01:22) that is = the way i remember it.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (01:23) = as do I Avoi
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (01:25) = sorry Avri, typing on a phone
Mary Uduma: (01:36) +1 Paul<= /span>
Paul Kane: (01:38) Will do= span>
Elise Gerich: (01:38) for th= e confidentiality, I think ICANN has already said
Elise Gerich: (01:39) my aud= io must not be on
Elise Gerich: (01:39) sorry = - ok thanks
Elise Gerich: (01:42) appare= ntly, audio only works if I dial in. Since we have moved on to a= nother topic. I will refrain from speaking and will share commen= ts with Trang and Sam to include in ICANN's response. Thank you.=
Sharon Flanagan (Sidley): (0= 1:42) We would encourage CWG (DT-O) to review Schedule A which is the list = of services
Jonathan Robinson: (01:43) @= Elise. Thank-you. Please do feel free to come in on audio if helpful=
Xavier Calvez: (01:44) Lost = Josh for a bit.
Chuck Gomes (RySG): (01:45) = Is DT-O the right group to review Schedule A?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (01:45) = good question Chuck
Chuck Gomes (RySG): (01:46) = Thanks Sharon. I can see some DT-O role.
matthew shears: (01:48) put = it to the iotf?
Kavouss Arasteh: (01:50) Jon= athan , when you discuss the comprehensive message that I sent you on deleg= ation of signature for the agreement
jorge cancio (GAC Switzerlan= d): (01:53) the EC goes beyond the naming community, right?
Samantha Eisner: (01:53) @jo= rge, yes
Samantha Eisner: (01:53) GNS= O, ccNSO, ALAC, ASO and GAC
Elise Gerich: (01:54) @jonat= han Sorry for the delay and I now have audio. Since the topic of the confid= entiality that Paul raised is long past, I will refrain from interrupting t= his discussion.
Jonathan Robinson: (02:00) @= Kavouss. ICANN is potential signatory 2 under Sharon's document here=
Jonathan Robinson: (02:02) @= Kavouss. Sharon makes a key point in line wiht yours. We will likely need t= o comment in the public comment AND communicate formally (with ICANN), espe= cially on the assumption that ICANN is the proposed signatory
Jonathan Robinson: (02:02) @= Sam. Any update from ICANN on willingness to serve at this stage?
Greg Shatan: (02:03) CWG was= never intended to last indefinitely: another "con."
Samantha Eisner: (02:03) @Jo= nathan, ICANN is willing to serve if requested
Samantha Eisner: (02:05) I t= hink that the issue of "will need a mechanism agreeable to the [names] comm= unity on selection of the three CCG representatives" is an issue across all= of the potential solutions
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:06) If = ICANN IS READY TO DO SO , it must reply formall to the formal letter co sig= ned by Jonathan and Lise .The terms and conditions of such action ( delegat= ion of signatory authority and discharging the reponsibilities and exercisi= ng the rights must be properly mentioned in the letter
Elise Lindeberg, GAC Norway:= (02:07) I agree with Greg - keeping CWG as a lasting thing is not a good o= ption
Chuck Gomes (RySG): (02:07) = +1 to Greg & Elise.
Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC): (02:0= 8) Yes,
Mary Uduma: (02:08) ++1@ Gre= g, Elise and Chuck
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:09) nO = ONE WANTS THAT cwg LAST FOR EVER
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:10) Who= proposed that CWG becomes a permanent body???
matthew shears: (02:10) agre= e that it should not last forever but the CWG should continue as it is deem= ed necessary and is useful
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:11) Mat= hiew+1
Paul Kane: (02:11) No way la= t for ever. we must get back to normal life
Sharon Flanagan (Sidley): (0= 2:11) @ Kavouss - the role would need to last so long as IETF holds the IP = which could be indefinitely.
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:11) wha= t role?
Sharon Flanagan (Sidley): (0= 2:11) oversight and advice on IP
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:12) do = you mean CWG must contuinue for ever
Sharon Flanagan (Sidley): (0= 2:12) @Kavouss - only if CWG is the counterparty to the agreement
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:13) CWG= would not be counterpart to the agreement
Mary Uduma: (02:13) On point= , Jonathan
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:13) Nam= ing community would be through delegation of its authority on the matter to= ICANN
Greg Shatan: (02:16) We have= never really defined the "Names Community."
Paul Kane: (02:16) Mut go - = thank all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:16) Good point Greg, though no doubt some of us have concepts
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:17) Bye Paul Thank You
Greg Shatan: (02:17) I don't= think it's the same as the "customers."
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:17) sha= ron, the oversight on IP could be delegated to ICANN by Names Community&nbs= p; together with the terms and conditions under which that tasks could= be performed
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:18) I believ ALAC was deemable as one
Chuck Gomes (RySG): (02:19) = Thanks Sharon.
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:19) The= most appropriate way would be that Names community establish an unincorpor= ated association and sign ther agreement and perform the repsponsibities an= d obligations during the period validity of the agreement
Greg Shatan: (02:20) If ICAN= N is the signatory, it should not be actually undertake oversight of the IP= R or the services. That should remain with the community.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:21) seems so Jonathan
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:21) Jon= athan,
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:21) the 2 options
Jonathan Robinson: (02:21) @= Cheryl. Thank-you
Samantha Eisner: (02:21) @Gr= eg, ICANN would expect the community to identify the mecahnism for the CCG = representative selection and how ICANN is expected to take direction on con= tractual enforcement issues
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:21) Sorry I sm mainly mute on this call a tad 'tied up' and in a noisy en= vironment
Greg Shatan: (02:22) If ICAN= N signs, it would be on behalf of the Names Community.
Elise Lindeberg, GAC Norway:= (02:22) Yes, I think that could be done Greg, - like all the other legal r= esponsebility ICANN has that is monitored by the community
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:22) As = far as the separation of responsibility is concerned the option = of that Names community AND NOT GNSO AND CCNSO , establish an unincorporate= d associations
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:22) makes sence to me Elise
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:22) It = has more legal validity
Greg Shatan: (02:22) makes s= ense to me, Sam.
Josh Hofheimer (Sidley): (02= :27) A reminder, the Community Agreement has a limited responsibility. = ; It delivers the EC decision to the IETF that a separation of IANA Se= rvices provider is required. And then it provides some "advice" = but not approval of handling of IP in more day to day scenarios
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:28) Yes excellent point to remind us of Josh
Josh Hofheimer (Sidley): (02= :29) As Sharon noted earlier, the CCG represenatives can be independent of = ICANN
Jonathan Robinson: (02:29) @= Greg. Higher volume if possible please
jorge cancio (GAC Switzerlan= d): (02:29) voice very low
Avri Doria: (02:29) ok, so i= am not the only one who cannot hear him.
Josh Hofheimer (Sidley): (02= :30) Just an idea, could the CSC members be the ones to name the CCG repres= entatives, or themselves be the CCG representatives?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:30) Much better
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:33) Ohh Dear
jorge cancio (GAC Switzerlan= d): (02:33) wow - I thought it was here...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:33) and ouch that was loud
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (02:= 34) wow that just drilled into my head
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:34) ear phones did not help
Greg Shatan: (02:34) that's = quite shocking at 3:34 am.
Jonathan Robinson: (02:35) @= least I know the fire alarm works!
Greg Shatan: (02:36) CWG has= caused ICANN to do quite a few things without being an Unincorporated Asso= ciation. No need to start now.
jorge cancio (GAC Switzerlan= d): (02:36) I'm not sure if it would be easy to organize the names communit= y as an UA - for starters, we have no definition of this community, or have= we?
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:37) CHU= CK,
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:37) Now= you have realized that tghe issue was not as simple you you were thinking<= /span>
Greg Shatan: (02:37) ICANN a= s signatory should avoid the need to form a UA.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:38) Happy to support that provisionary and follow up approach Jonathan
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:38) Not= at all
Avri Doria: (02:38) what doe= s provisionary mean?
Chuck Gomes (RySG): (02:38) = @ Kavous: I wasn't aware that I thought it was simple.
Greg Shatan: (02:38) But not= the need to define the Names Community.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:38) Sorry Avri probbly my poor use of the EN Language
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:39) Dea= r Chuch, but you criticised me aggressively
Xavier Calvez: (02:39) I wil= l let Chuck start, and I will help as needed.
Kavouss Arasteh: (02:40) I w= as not so out of context speaking
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:40) yes Xavier
Jonathan Robinson: (02:49) N= ote: Sidely have lef tthe call at this point
Mary Uduma: (02:53) Thanks X= avier
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:53) Thanks Xavier
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:54) It was a pleasure Chuck
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 2:54) your a pleasure to work with
Jonathan Robinson: (02:59) @= All. We are at the 2 hour point in our call
Mary Uduma: (03:00) Thanks C= huck. Happy to work with you
Xavier Calvez: (03:00) Welco= me and thank you for the great collaboration!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 3:00) Thank YOU Chuck and our DTO team with ICNN STaf= f
Xavier Calvez: (03:01) Thank= you. bye.
Avri Doria: (03:01) good nig= ht, thanks.
Elise Gerich: (03:01) Thank = you and good-bye
Trang Nguyen: (03:01) Thank = you. Bye!
Mary Uduma: (03:01) Very pro= ductive meeting bye all.
martin boyle, Nominet: (03:0= 1) thanks all, bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (0= 3:01) Bye everyone Thabk you
jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC): (03:0= 1) bye
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (03:= 01) Thanks and bye!
Greg Shatan: (03:01) night, = all!