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Dev Teelucksingh: Okay, this is Dev. Maya could you just tell them we ca= n start because we have quorum and we should start and go through the agend= a item by item. The part about LACRALO elections, I think that is item 4 = =E2=80=93
Heidi Ullrich: Actually I'm looking at the agenda and I'm not quite sure= why, but we don't even seem to have the election issue on the agenda. We h= ave item 4 which is the review of the conference in Nairobi. We have item 5= which is the update on the at-large board selection process.
Vanda Scartazeni: This looks much more the last call.
Dev Teelucksingh: Well unless someone really wants to make it point of o= rder to talk about the LACRALO election, if you =E2=80=93 we should put tha= t as the last item then if it's not on the official agenda.
Heidi Ullrich: I'm sorry, we should do what?
Interpreter Maya (Interpreter): The thing is, the item related to Nairob= i, this is Andres, and there is a lot to talk about in regards to that issu= e.
Dev Teelucksingh: Okay, so I'm going =E2=80=93 just quickly, Maya, are w= e officially starting? Let's start and go through the items one by one.
Heidi Ullrich: Okay, so Matthias is saying that the reason that the elec= tion item is not on the agenda is that everything was set out in your e-mai= l.
Maya (Interpreter): Okay, so first of all =E2=80=93
Heidi Ullrich: Sorry, Maya, so Dev, basically, do you agree that if no o= ne responded to your e-mails that it just goes ahead as you set out?
Dev Teelucksingh: It should go ahead.
Maya (Interpreter): Okay, and Andres already started. So we're going to = the action items for January 18. We really can't deal with a lot of those u= nless we had a general assembly but we don't really have that. And I'm sorr= y, Andres, what are you talking about?
Heidi Ullrich: Sorry, Maya, don't translate this =E2=80=93
Maya (Interpreter): No, I was translating to you what they were saying.<= /p>
Heidi Ullrich: Oh, sorry, Maya. So, Dev, are you in agreement or are you= comfortable with if no one responds to your e-mail that basically that jus= t assumes everyone is in agreement?
Dev Teelucksingh: Yes.
Heidi Ullrich: Okay.
Dev Teelucksingh: I'm happy to discuss it, but =E2=80=93
Maya (Interpreter): Let me go ahead =E2=80=93 do you want me to tell the= m that or no?
Heidi Ullrich: No, please.
Dev Teelucksingh: We can put that as the last item of the business.
Heidi Ullrich: Okay, I'll let Matthias know.
Dev Teelucksingh: Okay.
Maya (Interpreter): And then basically for the vertical integration, the= board therefore decided to take a new measure of innovation. This is in re= gards to the different acquisitions and modifications that can take place w= ithin a vertical integration and therefore there is a work group that has b= een proposed and this is a subject open for public comment. So there is a w= ork group that was established for vertical integration. It has more than 7= 5 members. It's actually a bigger group than most ICAAN constituencies that= have several ICAAN staff members working and several members from the diff= erent constituencies for the GNSO is= sues. There is a big presence also from the business constituencies. A lot = of these are present. And I am also part of this group as well and Alan Gre= enburg who is the ALAC liaison. And there are 30 people from At-Large as we= ll highly engaged in that working group. And this is something which Sebast= ian had already brought up previously. But he sent over the list and we dis= cussed this with Alejandro Disanti a= ctually and we actually included some of our opinions.
I have actually received about 250 e-mails in regards to that, so there = is a lot of information in regards to this. And what I can tell you there h= as been active discussions by two people on the previous teleconference tha= t said that they were going to issue some statements and important analysis= , the capacity in order to commit the users commitment. And I think that th= is is something that was rather important. Mainly because even though that = some issues for the users can be at stake sometimes, I think that the main = point here is to have a more open and transparent position from the GEF. I think that if ETNS has more of a transparent position, there will be mor= e opportunity and more money and better conditions not only in regards to s= ervices, but also ICAAN rules and ICAAN information.
As a general outlook I think that that's all I can give you. I'm sorry, = give me a moment, because Andres is speaking a bit low, so =E2=80=93
Unidentified Participant: But I want to ask a question.
Maya (Interpreter): Okay, want me to go ahead and tell them? And as gene= ral outlook that is something that would be beneficial for the users and th= ere is a question from Spanish. Do you think that it's important to have a = work group? Because I know that Carlos is proposing a working group. I don'= t know if this is proper. What do you think if we actually formed a working= group for this subject? What I do think is that if a lot of people in the = region would have been aware of this big working group there is so much inf= ormation I think that this would have worked well for our region. So it wou= ld be good to devise certain tasks and devise opinions in that case. So if = there are five people in that working group from LACRALO and we are able to= analyze the participation with a lot more assistance, I think that will ha= ve better results. Because it's very difficult on LACRALO dynamic because = =E2=80=93 and I'm still thinking about the public commentary, but if we cou= ld have five people and then post some of these issues on the public commen= tary and (inaudible) and then improve the participation of the users of the= se working groups.
And therefore, if anybody wants to send an e-mail in order to announce t= heir interest in this working group or if you want to tell us in private, t= hat would be good as well.
Dev Teelucksingh: Okay, this is Dev.
Maya (Interpreter): Go ahead, Dev.
Dev Teelucksingh: Okay so I think I put as an action item a call to join= working group to look at the vertical integration issues. Okay? And I have= to say I saw Sebastian's comments regarding vertical integration, I have = =E2=80=93 I think I'm also very interested in this because also this issue = deals very closely regarding the new gTLD program. And a lot of discussion = just to briefly touch on it, talks about how do we deal with what you call = small or single registrant TLDs where there's a small number of TLDs and it= makes more economic sense to have an integrated registry and registrar ope= ration. But I think definitely it's, this issue is very important and we'll= incorporate it into the list of issues as soon as possible. Thank you.
Maya (Interpreter): And, Dev, I'm already part of the 75 people, a group= of vertical integration. And what I was saying is that there is so much in= formation that we have already available there. I'm sorry. He's still telli= ng you something else. But besides you and myself that are interested in th= is subject, and I'm expressing my interest in this subject as well Andres = =E2=80=93 so there are three people. And that was Giorgio by the way also e= xpressing his interest. What we could do is to maybe draft a small statemen= t in order to present some few points, not only in regards to LACRALO's par= ticipation in regards to all this, but also a statement on our opinions on = what we think that should be done. What do you think about that, Dev?
Dev Teelucksingh: Yes, Andres, I agree.
Maya (Interpreter): So let's continue and let's talk about policies. I t= hink that several (inaudible). For example the pier has very specific chara= cteristics for community participation. They think this is a big risk and t= here is a lot of people who are in the working group tell me that it is a v= ery hot subject on their agenda. And I am being told that there is a lot of= pressure not only from the constituencies for the role and the opinion of = the users. It really coincides with a lot of the ideas proposed. So I want = to be approved registries like the people from (inaudible).com and things o= f that nature. It would be good to get more e-mails from these entities. An= d basically the intention would be to make a distinction between big regist= ries and small registries. And to have a possibility of doing an integratio= n of what would be beneficial for the users.
Because there is a lot of the times a big jump where you have millions o= n domains on the one side and very few domains on the other side. And I kno= w that this is a very, very simple subject. I don't know if I agree with th= is position but it's very difficult to reach an agreement that would really= affect these jurisdictions and the conditions for the users. If a registry= is in competition with its own registrants, like if we have a small regist= ry, (inaudible) can sell their domain directly to the registrants or =E2=80= =93 so there has been competition with whom they already have a contract so= mewhere else. So this situation which does sound irrational in accordance t= o some registries would improve competition because then the registrar woul= d have better conditions in order to set market accesses. And according to = other constituencies, they state that there's a natural distinction between= the function of the technical and the business function of the registry. T= his brings added value to the users. So I don't know if anybody has an opin= ion on this.
Vanda Scartazeni: My hand is up.
Maya (Interpreter): Okay, let me go ahead and tell them. One second. Now= if anybody else has any other opinions, they want to say that a statement = coming from LACRALO can be dangerous =E2=80=93 go ahead, Vanda, please.
Vanda Scartazeni: Okay. Well I guess we have a very long debate on this.= This was started on the board and then from the economic (inaudible). And = the most important issues are these. This is as Andres said. The idea to an= alyze what is inside the small gTLDs and the regular ones that are still in= the market. What we are going to have if we agree most of the vertical int= egration we're going to just destroy all the registrar systems in a few yea= rs. Because once you have the price, it's almost the idea of manufacturing = issue. If you have all the guys doing everything, maybe the price for the r= egistry will be low, but this does not mean that we're going to have lower = price to sell this. So the competition among registrars not only gives more= chance of choice, but also allow small registries in less developed area t= o sell around where people don't want to do that.
So there is a lot of issues to debate because when we talk about a small= new gTLD, it's something that in reality will not exist because a small, l= ike really small gTLD will need so much money to enter into the debate to p= ay for their costs, to pay for marketing, they cannot be small or they will= not survive. So in reality, we're going to face only medium to big new gTL= Ds with a lot of money behind if we allow the vertical integration to happe= n, so we're going to have a more quality people distributing any kind of gT= LD in the market without any chance for ISPs for instance to have good pric= e to distribute in those areas where the big ones don't want to because the= re is no much market for them in those areas. So people most of the time ca= nnot have any chance or to have, even have the gTLD, with their name. Or if= they have, if something happens, they will just ignore it, because the gap= from these small users to the big registries will be so big that nobody wi= ll reach them. So to who are you going to complain?
So it's a lot of registrants' problem that we need to analyze with much = more deeply in that information about. Let's only think about what is happe= ning in our region with Verizon for = instance. Verizon just gives us so b= ig price to small registrars, that they are giving up. There is =E2=80=93 w= e used to have five or six small people here in Brazil who have just moved = because they cannot afford to enter into the market with the prices that ar= e assigned to the big ones. And this is in that conversation market. If you= think about a vertical, so the registry will be the one that will sell in = the market. Then forget about you have small areas (inaudible) or someone t= o complain about. It's about that that I send my position and I will follow= , forward my position e-mail to the others to you. But the general idea des= cribed there is like that. Okay, thank you.
Maya (Interpreter): Vanda, would you be able to be part of this small gr= oup that I just told you?
Vanda Scartezini: Do what?
Maya (Interpreter): If you would participate in the small group that I t= old you about, that I proposed at the beginning where Dev is going to be pa= rticipating as well.
Vanda Scartezini: Well yes.
Maya (Interpreter): Because I also would like to exchange more informati= on with regards to that statement that you will be sending. So we can have = more information about the subject. Thank you.
Vanda Scartezini: Okay, I can. I can exchange ideas definitely. That's a= very, very relevant issue and most of the people, especially in our region= , where registrars are a very small number and we depend mostly on our ccTL= Ds who they are with when you need some kind of open =E2=80=93
Maya (Interpreter): Vanda, I'm sorry, he's speaking at the same time as = you are. So let me tell him that you have something else to say, okay?
Vanda Scartezini: I'm sorry.
Maya (Interpreter): It's okay. Otherwise you're going to miss each other= 's comments. So getting back to this, because of this issue, because I am a= n At-Large delegate in (inaudible), I can't even give my opinion there, but= it is an issue that raises a lot of concern. Because I =E2=80=93 if we don= 't have that many opinions related to this, there is nothing much that can = be done. We do have to have the role that this would play for the users and= what this would do to competition. And mainly in regards to the open marke= t and competition. I mean I'm not saying that somebody can't be with a comp= any that has a better situation because they have more access to advertisin= g. The issue with that is that the user can be affected and the income can = be affected as well. And Vanda, please go ahead now.
Vanda Scartezini: Yes. Let me get also the idea, the problem of (inaudib= le) of ccTLDs and also the gTLDs. So still in my opinion it would be the sa= me problem because we're going to have a big organization that gets the (in= audible) code is not any longer, you know that. And I believe that they are= facing the Japanese and English, United Kingdom markets because they used = OpCo mostly. So that is something th= at they want to focus on that. And again, our region if we don't have any p= rotection, let's say that, protection against this vertical integration to = deal with the big, big guys, so when you want to adopt (inaudible) you're g= oing to lose anyway if you have any problems or they don't send to you or y= our connection is not good enough to reach the =E2=80=93 I don't know, the = (inaudible) that they have (inaudible) to get a new name or to protect your= name another can get. There is a lot of issues that we need to debate. Tha= t's most of the reason these working groups is almost everybody from ICAAN.= These meetings are sitting ducks because everybody knows that these are go= ing to be a lot of problems for many regions, for many =E2=80=93 even in ri= ch regions, people there is such few registrars. When you get these registr= ars, registries =E2=80=93 when you get these registries out (inaudible), al= l the 900 others will have no room to sell because the price will be comple= tely discretionary and nobody will really get more into the markets after t= hat. So it's in my option this is, again, this is the end in a few years of= the whole system of registry. So this is the interest of (inaudible). And = even when you consider that the small ones could be =E2=80=93
Maya (Interpreter): Thank you, Vanda.
Vanda Scartezini: It's hard.
Maya (Interpreter): Vanda, I really agree with what you're saying. If yo= u could maybe post what you just said on Adobe Connect, because I really ag= ree with what you're saying. Carlos is the one that opened up the subject. = It's really surprising that not a single ALS from Columbia has actually giv= en any opinions in regard to this. I think that it is time that we engage o= urselves and we do something because it's a really a subject of (inaudible)= and so I don't know what could be done in order to change or to show that = we are not very happy with this. In Nairobi for example, there was a huge p= roblem with the big corporate companies because they did not participate in= a lot of these for example (inaudible) lot of these that usually sent thei= r delegates, they only sent one or two. And one of the main participants in= Nairobi was =E2=80=93 excuse me, Andres and Daniel was speaking just now, = excuse me. So I can (inaudible) but how powerful can it be that in a lot of= these meetings for example we did not have a lot of these participants dur= ing the round table with Ron Herson.= There were a lot of people from the community that participated and I was = able to engage with a person from Columbia who spoke perfect English and I = told them =E2=80=93 and I told this person I really envy your English, I wo= uld never be able to have your accent, I would never be able to get rid of = my Spanish accent. That was just a little joke.
But the point is, there was only one delegate from Columbia and that is = the point of what I'm telling you. And in Nairobi there was another person = that was hoping and advocating for the ICAAN meeting to take place in Colum= bia. And it was a great person but the person did not speak Spanish for exa= mple. So I don't know if the users were very happy with that. So this subje= ct really is a very main focus and this has a lot to do with the policy iss= ues.
Years ago, at least five years ago, this is Giorgio, in 2005, through Se= bastian Ritardi we presented a motio= n for the XXX they dealt with in ALAC. And that is also worrisome subject b= ecause there hasn't been a lot of opinions related to that and I don't know= if there was even a vote that took place. The other day in Nairobi the boa= rd I know that had a lot of expectations, and Vanda could tell us a bit mor= e about that, but this was a subject that was brought up again. And the pub= lic comment for this closes on May 10th. I mean there isn't much to say bec= ause the users haven't shared their voice.
So as the users, we have to be certain that for the safety and security = of (inaudible), this is something that is approved. But while there has bee= n a proposal to reach an agreement between the government and the companies= in the private sector and development, they had a lot to do that the immig= ration needed to be stopped for example. Because this would generate more s= ecure places. This also has to do with (inaudible) sites. And there's also = the decentralization and centralization and awareness of children having ac= cess to adult sites. So we're talking once again about the XXX issue. So wh= at we mean by this is for example, to do a setup where there is a point or = let's say for example there is a click in one of the links to go into a por= nographic site. So the point is a lot of the big companies and a lot of the= companies that have servers need to develop this system in order to block.= But this needs to be a partnership in concert because the XXX just like th= at, without the engagement of anybody, is not something that is going to wo= rk.
I cannot force any dot coms to do anything. And this is why it would be = good to do this. I definitely think that it would be good to do this. But n= evertheless in the public comments period, I think that it would be difficu= lt because I cannot impose on a dot com registrant. They can't really impos= e on them how to deal and how to impose these firewalls for example. They j= ust can't do that. What I'm trying to tell you is that it would be importan= t that (inaudible) would take more of a presence in this and that a lot of = the other entities within ICAAN as well really make their voices heard beca= use in this case we will be given a very specific opinion on how to use the= XXX world because XXX could be something at some point, a cornerstone in o= rder how to manage the Internet from here on. But that is a very, very inno= cent way of looking at things.
Many times I know that government really had a lot of pressure for this = to happen. But there's been a change of positions and also =E2=80=93 but th= is is not something that was dealt with in Nairobi necessarily. We are the = users. We need to make our voices heard to insure that everybody knows what= our position is and that the effort that we've made in these last years es= pecially after 2007 has been very productive. Because now we are hearing ab= out the subject again and we are dealing with the XXX issue again. And so w= hen we join the campaign for XXX users, for example I was just for that, at= the time there were more than 500 associations that joined the typical neu= tral and they said that ICAAN needs to see that the XXX is actually somethi= ng that would be necessary from a technological point of view.
So what I'm saying is, we need to make our voices heard and actually uni= te more in this without losing objectivity and without being volatile becau= se many times a lot of the business says none of the governments are going = to change their position because they are going to make money. I think that= we all are in agreement with this subject and I think that there isn't muc= h to say with regards to this because I think we are all in agreement. But = what I do think is that this compulsive migration we can ask ICAAN to deal = with this and then we can also do this in other forms as well in other subj= ects. Argentina is one of the countries that is trying to rectify this. And= for example from a lot of these forums we can (inaudible) a lot of these p= roposals.
Okay. It is time to finish and I just ask for ten more minutes to speak = about Nairobi. And for the consultation period for each ALS. What the point= is, I think that survey needs to be filled out by the ALSs and is already = part of the agenda. And that was actually item number one in the agenda and= that was actually Cheryl's report on Nairobi.
Anyway, from this whole text that I translated into Spanish, I am not go= ing to speak about this report. I think that what's really more important i= s that between Seoul and between Nairobi, between five RALOs and 121 ALSs a= t ALAC, there were 13 statements of policy and in five months there was mor= e work than was done in 2008. We have for example several ALAC members in m= any of the important security groups. We have four members in the RAA, two = member of At-Large. We have one member for example in the policy committee.= And a lot of the subjects that we have in Nairobi was for example the lett= er from the GNSO to the CCO. And the role of the board and the elections of= the board. In Nairobi the board basically squashed a lot of the expression= s of opinions that came forth by the registries.
And then there was also the presentation for the final reports on the fr= eedom of expression. There was also the minority report as well that was pr= esented and that was approved. And now I actually have questions in regards= to this. It was a report approved by the 15 members. A statement for the s= trategic plan, versions one and three, and then there was for example a dra= ft on the IMS and then finally there was also a statement on the things to = come. And of course the statement on vertical integration. So we have done = a lot of these things and many, many other things. We also approved four AL= Ss as well at the time. We also have the conflict now LACRALO, EURALO, and = AFRALO have the pamphlets. When are these going to be available? I have som= e of them, I know that Dev has some of them as well. And I did bring with m= e some of these pamphlets in order to be able to start distributing them ei= ther at events or with the public.
Can you bring them to Cordova or can you send them by mail? But how did = this happen? I mean I just asked them to provide some of these pamphlets to= me and I know that I have some here with me and some were sent to Brazil. = I know that I gave Jose and Luis a couple. If I go to (inaudible) I'll leav= e some of these. I didn't see Jose and Fatima before they went to Sao Paulo= , otherwise I would have given them some of them as well. So little by litt= le we'll be able to distribute them.
So what I can do is to distribute some of these wherever I go. So when I= got to Buenos Aires I can give some of these to Daniel and that's the way = I can do it. Matthias is here from south, right? Matthias, is there a chanc= e to maybe send to the different ALSs the pamphlets? Especially because on = May 17th is Internet World Day and so we have a lot of organizations, there= are technical assistance offices or organizations that are working with th= e celebrations in the Internet World Day.
Well I mean what it was, the original representatives were supposed to p= ick up a lot of these in Nairobi and then try to distribute them. I don't k= now how many more we have left. I think that they are in California. But to= give one to each of the ALSs it might be a bit difficult. I mean if you ca= n give us a specific amount, then we can actually see. I know that Andreas = has some of them in Cordova. Hello? Is =E2=80=93 do I now need to be in Eng= lish?
Heidi Ullrich: Hi, this is Heidi.
Maya (Interpreter): Okay, because I couldn't hear you guys, so I wasn't = sure.
Carlton Samuels: No, I'm here. Carlton. I joined late, so I'm not sure I= =E2=80=99m not a little discombobulated.
Maya (Interpreter): Okay. Just so you know he was just talking about Nai= robi. And for you guys in English, just be aware a lot of the times when th= e speaker speaks at 1,000 miles an hour, and it's humanly impossible to kee= p up, so what I try to do is I just try to give you the main points of what= the speaker is saying. Okay? So I'm hoping that you are understanding a lo= t of what I'm trying to convey to you.
Heidi Ullrich: I'm just interested in how you're going to translate disc= ombobulate.
Maya (Interpreter): I'm not even going to try that at the moment. Actual= ly we do have a word in Spanish. Let me tell them, Carlton, that you're her= e. Because I wasn't aware that you were here.
Carlton Samuels: Yes.
Maya (Interpreter): Okay.
Heidi Ullrich: Thanks, Carlton. We also have Dev and Vanda on English.= p>
Carlton Samuels: Yes, Vanda probably left just now.
Heidi Ullrich: I think we're just about to finish. We actually had a goo= d discussion . We talked about vertical integration. We talked about XXX.= p>
Carlton Samuels: Yes, I am looking at the notes on the Adobe room. I see= those. So where are we on the agenda?
Heidi Ullrich: Well I'm not sure if we're really following the agenda. W= e've just talked about item four which was Nairobi. Andres reviewed the cha= ir's report.
Carlton Samuels: Okay.
Maya (Interpreter): And so there are a lot of policy subjects that we ha= ve to deal with but I'd really like to discuss a bit about the policy issue= s. What I wanted to talk about, we are working with Nick on the subject that is extremely important for Argenti= neans. And this is the subject about the Malvinas Islands. So next week in = concert we will be presenting a subject for discussion on this issue. So we= will be presenting this wherever we can. I will be =E2=80=93 we will be pr= esenting this at (inaudible) =E2=80=93 what we're saying is this. The (inau= dible) subject is something that is very relative to Argentina so this is s= omething that we will be presenting next week. It's a very important subjec= t, so it is something that we do want to discuss in whatever international = settings and whatever settings that we are able to at this point. Now =E2= =80=93 yes, Carlton?
Carlton Samuels: (inaudible)
Maya (Interpreter): I'm sorry, what was that?
Carlton Samuels: I wanted a point about is the member saying that the Ma= lvinas is proper discussion for names and numbers policy? Or is he saying h= e is just introducing it?
Maya (Interpreter): No, he's just saying that this is a subject, that th= is is something that he wanted to discuss and it's something that they want= to make heard in whatever settings that they can because it's very importa= nt to Argentineans. It was an add on.
Carlton Samuels: Okay, I have no doubt it is important to Argentineans i= n Malvinas and the dispute with the UK. But to the extent that it might not= be part of the names and numbers discussion, I would respectfully request = that the member could post to the list, but certainly in terms of having a = discussion about it on this, on the teleconference, would be a little bit o= ff subject.
Maya (Interpreter): Okay. Let me go ahead and see if I can put that in t= here. Give me a moment as I try to catch up, because as I was having that d= iscussion with you, he started with something else. Give me one second. So = at this point I think that it is very important to really engage not only i= n the new gTLDs but also in the XXX issue. I think that at this point we ne= ed to make our voices heard for these issues. These are very important poli= cies. They are a lot of subjects. First of all, another subject that has be= en dealt with is that the relationship within the ALSs and the country code= s and I'm going to also post the survey on country codes in ALSs. So I will= be posting that at this moment. And so I'm copying that at this moment. Th= is was a survey. And dear friends, I do have to go. I'm so sorry, I'm very = sorry for not being able to stay longer, and that was Giorgio who has to go= .
So getting back to the subject, I'm trying to post this on Adobe Connect= and that was item 9. If there is anybody else that would like to say anyth= ing related to a lot of the issues that were discussed today, does anybody = have anything else to say? No? Very well, then we can end today's teleconfe= rence. And just Andres, just to reiterate again what we were saying, and (i= naudible) is Sylvia from her outreach group could actually develop some sor= t of a better outreach for a lot of the ALSs in Latin America. Because a lo= t of them do not participate and in other cases there isn't a lot of inform= ation that these ALSs have access to. So it may be the staff or the organiz= ation or ICAAN or someone, if there is a chance to generate some sort of an= information kit for a lot of these ALSs that are out of the loop sometimes= . Because you are doing so much work with Dev and a lot of our colleagues s= uch as Carlton and Vanda and a lot of these ALSs are not aware of a lot of = these things that are happening. And so this lack a lot of the times of opi= nion comes from a lack of knowledge. That's one issue.
The second issue for the next teleconference, it would be good, Andres, = for you to really =E2=80=93 for example, Sergio's interference and the lack= of respect especially when a lot of the times the people on English channe= l do not even know what's happening. The Adobe Chat I think is very disresp= ectful. Right, I mean you try to be efficient as much as you can. The peopl= e that you mentioned =E2=80=93 it is very true that if we have a country co= de that has been used and a lot of our ALSs are not really saying anything,= I know that that is a bit problematic and that is part of our job. But I t= hink that we can do more work in regards to this country code issue. I'm ve= ry happy with this teleconference first of all because Daniel was here. Dan= iel has a lot of knowledge and he has a lot to bring to the table because h= e is very knowledgeable on a lot of the subjects. He works with very import= ant international organizations. And if we could have more people at that l= evel as members of LACRALO, that would be great.
And also, we spoke about very important policies here on this teleconfer= ence and I think it is very historical. So I really applaud everybody's eff= orts. Not only have we spoken, but we will be presenting a lot of these thi= ngs through the public commentary period and give statements, and I'm very = happy about that. If there is anybody else that has anything else to say, o= therwise that will be the end.
Dev Teelucksingh: Actually this is Dev. I'd like to make a very quick cl= arification.
Maya (Interpreter): Go ahead, Dev.
Dev Teelucksingh: Regarding the ALAC board selection committee, and I gu= ess on this one I'll ask Carlton because all the regions have submitted can= didates for the evaluation committee. I take it the nominations have been a= ccepted in Nairobi? Is it that we have to follow up with anything? Or is it= that they have been notified directly how they indent to participate and s= o forth? I don't know, Carlton, if you have an answer to that.
Maya (Interpreter): Jacqueline Moore and James Corbin were the two peopl= e that were =E2=80=93
Carlton Samuels: That's right. This is Carlton. The BCC is now constitut= ed. The persons that came from the LACRALO region, Jacqueline and James Cor= bin, from (inaudible) and Barbados respectively, have accepted the membersh= ip. And this week we had the first meeting of the AB-BST and the BCC that w= as supposed to have happened. I personally was not able to make it. But as = it is now, we have begun the work.
Dev Teelucksingh: Okay, I was just wondering whether we had =E2=80=93
Maya (Interpreter): And thank you, Carlton, it really has been a pleasur= e to have you here with us. Very well. So that will be all then and everybo= dy take care.
Multiple Speakers: Thank you. Good bye.