Michelle DeSmyter: Dear All, Welcome to the Domain Name
Marketplace Indicators Advisory Panel Meeting held on Wednesday, 30 August 2017
at 15:00 UTC.
Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_7hW4Aw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=2YVjLiAsfwWXOj4gT82s9QEqDMUnBYWCMV8imRxvljo&s=w-GFHupPL-muZhApD_llWyGx4P2yl6r0BGMyVHxTwBc&e=
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:Hello Michelle.
Michelle DeSmyter:Hi there John - welcome everyone, we
will be starting in the next few minutes.
Jonathan Zuck:Is "resolving" to a known parking
server still part of what we're after?
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:Yes. It is a lot easier
for ICANN to do this and it will also produce geographical data on where the
sites are hosted.
Jonathan Zuck:yes, we can hear
Phil Buckingham:hear ok here .
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:the danger with
"known parking servers" is that it may be a load balancer for shared
hosting.
Jonathan Zuck:oh I'm well aware of the difficulting in
defining parking!
Andy Simpson:Without an agreed upon definition of
adoption it is really still difficult to determine whether the proposed metric
really helps to measure it.
Jonathan Zuck:and Michael. A domain pointer cold point to
a subdomain, no?
Andy Simpson:ok... to johnathan's point a domain may
point to something other than an IP address like a CNAME
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:It als runs into the one
post wonders on Wordpress. (Abandonment.)
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:The IP address is a
subtle indicator. People often don't set up non-core gTLD domains in DNS.
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:ICANN will have the
necessary data for this.
Michael R Graham:Going back
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:zonefiles.
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:It will show the core of
domains that keep getting registered/renewed.
Mason Cole:How often would the measurement be taken?
Andy Simpson:would it make sense to normalize the
starting point across the various TLDs rather than "start of
tracking" which will create an asymmetric metric depending on how long a
TLD has been operating?
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:ICANN has the zones from
the CZDS and I think also has historical legacy gTLD zones.
Andy Simpson:i think so, let me write more while mason
speaks up
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:Discounting effects.
Andy Simpson:my thought is that you analyze X # of months
churn/burn as long as the TLD has been in GA for X+Y months
Michael R Graham:Going back to 1, although most domains
do resolve to an IP address, this number does not reveal any characteristics
because there is a huge difference between domain names that resolve to an
operating website, those that resolve to a generic ad page, those that resolve
to a primary site with another domain, and those that do not
resollve. measuring based solely on resolution would create a false
metric.
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:Tricky due to the
differences in gTLD sizes.
Andy Simpson:how does #3 measure adoption?
Jim Prendergast:how do you handle privacy proxy
registrations?
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:That can be done from the
ICANN registry reports.
Andy Simpson:@john is your comment with regards to #3 or
#4?
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:@Andy the churn and burn
metric.
Andy Simpson:ah ok, yes. understood and agreed.
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:Agree with normalisation.
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:The Churn and Burn (2)
Phil Buckingham:That would be very difficult to get
at (No 4) ?
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:That In-Zone metric I
mentioned on the list might be usable. Check that new doms in a month are still
in the zone.
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:It would also mean
tracking registrant changes.
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:1. Big registrars will
tend to dominate the market. This isn't really control of the market.
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:The Godaddy/Uniregistry
thing is also interesting in that it shows the power of a registrar with
significant market power.
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:As long as there is a
good timeline rather than every 6 months
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:New registrars entering
the market?
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:That would be
competition. The hassle of doing sunrise regs would not be economical but
selling domains retail would be.
Phil Buckingham:General observation - are we talking
about registrars making registrations to open TLDs ?
Michael R Graham 2:Measuring relative stability/instability
would be useful -- but I agree, I do not see a means for obtaining this data.
Michael R Graham 2:First metric -- Not sure how this
would provide useful data. Second metric -- This would be very
useful, but how would we obtain "reasons" -- survey I suppose.
Jim Prendergast:failure to pay fees is typically one of
the reasons
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:2 seems like an easy
metric for ICANN to generate with existing data.
Michael R Graham 2:@Mukesh -- Thanks, explanation
good. Are explanations standardized?
Michael R Graham 2:Second metric -- Yes.
Mason Cole:I'm not sure it applies to LEAs and IP
specifically, but it's a useful metric.
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:It seems more like market
acceptance than a trust metric.
Mason Cole:I agree with John -- more a measurement of
utility vs. trust.
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:It is still useful as it
provides an insight into how acceptance is progressing.
Mason Cole:If the reports can be sharpened a bit, it's
something that would be informative, but I don't think it should be a trust
metric.
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:include the payments and
IDN scripts as a separate section as they are all acceptance indicators.
Phil Buckingham:yes we need more feedback . In b) 54%
seems very low
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:Possibly a separate
section on market acceptance.
Michael R Graham 2:Agree with Mason, John,
Phil
Phil Buckingham:thanks will check out
Phil Buckingham:Separate question . Is there a
plan to have a meeting (s) in Abu Dhabi
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:Will the independent
reviewer be an academic or someone in the industry?
Phil Buckingham:Whats the time scale on this RFP
Mason Cole:I assume the review won't be done by Abu
Dhabi?
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:OK. The main thing is
that the reviewer is familiar with the industry and the metrics.
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:PDF and web dashboard for
the data similar to the ODI approach?
Jim Prendergast 2:Anything that avoids duplication
between efforts is a good thing
Olivier MJ Crˇpin-Leblond:Thanks Mukesh
Michael R Graham 2:Thanks, Mukesh!
John McCormac - HosterStats.com:Thanks.