WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.750 --> 00:00:12.599 Brenda Brewer: Good day everyone. My name is Brenda and I'd like to welcome you to the CC WG HR call on the 18th of November, it's 1700 UTC 2 00:00:13.019 --> 00:00:25.470 Brenda Brewer: This meeting is recorded kindly. State your name when speaking for the record and have your phones and microphones on mute. When not speaking attendance will be taken from the zoom room and I'm happy to turn the call over to them. Thank you. 3 00:00:28.980 --> 00:00:29.910 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Thank you so much. 4 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:37.200 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: For Joanna cementing how 5 00:00:38.730 --> 00:00:40.290 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Down for today's meeting so 6 00:00:41.310 --> 00:00:41.550 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: It's 7 00:00:43.650 --> 00:00:44.850 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Gonna be 8 00:00:49.170 --> 00:00:53.760 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: All day on the board. So basically two things. 9 00:00:55.980 --> 00:00:56.970 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: So first, 10 00:00:58.350 --> 00:01:01.530 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Just giving her a couple of the market can 11 00:01:03.690 --> 00:01:12.030 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Potentially Ford and then some concrete suggestions which I hear I hear something will be working on as 12 00:01:13.500 --> 00:01:26.220 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: A draft of maybe how we see great and getting out going forward for creating this this group to make sure that that goes we which would 13 00:01:27.180 --> 00:01:46.140 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Continue to set are continually being met. So maybe Boston can can kick us off with registering couple for for those who like I've been feeling they want closely have a walk or the tool, no engagements. For the last two I can be things 14 00:01:49.980 --> 00:01:51.540 Austin Ruckstuhl: Sure, yeah. Okay. Hi, everyone. 15 00:01:52.320 --> 00:01:58.500 Austin Ruckstuhl: I hope that people i don't i don't want to go to into too many details. This is Austin. Rock still one of the co chairs. 16 00:01:58.830 --> 00:02:12.300 Austin Ruckstuhl: I don't want to go into too many details because I feel like we talked about this, every time we talk, but the the basic background is that we, the last policy or sort of document output of this group was the 17 00:02:13.440 --> 00:02:28.110 Austin Ruckstuhl: Sort of drafting and using and a human rights impact assessment tool that we used to do an impact assessment on the subsequent procedures PDP so after that time. 18 00:02:28.620 --> 00:02:39.360 Austin Ruckstuhl: We discussed that paper men, maybe. Wow. About two years ago, year and a half ago, and then tried to work with the gap and 19 00:02:40.290 --> 00:02:48.030 Austin Ruckstuhl: A lack. So we've now subsequently over the last two different icon meetings. We've had a meeting with the gap where we tried to convince them to do. 20 00:02:48.330 --> 00:02:58.500 Austin Ruckstuhl: Use the tool or or do a human rights impact assessment on some of their work in whatever way they felt suited them best by possibly adapting the tool. 21 00:02:58.860 --> 00:03:10.020 Austin Ruckstuhl: And then we did the same with a lack on the most recent I can meeting we had a call with them to sort of present the tool discuss how it's worked in the past and then see if there might be 22 00:03:10.320 --> 00:03:14.940 Austin Ruckstuhl: Opportunities for doing a human rights impact assessment using the tool. 23 00:03:15.690 --> 00:03:24.480 Austin Ruckstuhl: On a lack and the tool again is sort of based on work stream to recommendation. So we pulled a lot of the recommendations from work stream to 24 00:03:24.870 --> 00:03:32.190 Austin Ruckstuhl: Into as sort of rows in the tool. So again, that link lives in a lot of different places. Yeah, there's a frame. Just put it in the chat. 25 00:03:32.610 --> 00:03:43.890 Austin Ruckstuhl: And so you can sort of see that the topics in the tool are being pulled from the work stream to recommendations. So, in my opinion, you know, 26 00:03:44.190 --> 00:03:58.590 Austin Ruckstuhl: A lot of the good discussions happen more so on the last call than on the gap call for sure, but the, you know, there's always interest on the last call there was sort of yes, we should probably do this. Some people were saying it should be more 27 00:03:59.640 --> 00:04:14.790 Austin Ruckstuhl: Sort of cross part cross stakeholder group in potentially we should take it to the GM so and have them work on it so that it would be not as NCS G lead based on the fact that our group is in NC SG 28 00:04:15.450 --> 00:04:21.180 Austin Ruckstuhl: But there was definitely some interest and there was sort of interested in following up with a few key people who are interested in 29 00:04:21.750 --> 00:04:36.180 Austin Ruckstuhl: Possibly starting up and leading the HR a tool or process using the tool going forward. So that's kind of where we stand, nothing concrete has been happening in either one of those four 30 00:04:37.770 --> 00:04:46.560 Austin Ruckstuhl: Yeah, good question on the genesco is their appetite for it. I have not the is directly meals with Janet with anyone on general counsel at this point. 31 00:04:48.270 --> 00:04:57.660 Austin Ruckstuhl: I don't think there's an appetite for it, but I'm definitely open to suggestions on how we take this agenda. So that was sort of those were definitely comments that were coming from outside NCS G. 32 00:04:59.130 --> 00:05:09.510 Austin Ruckstuhl: On the last call. And I would actually also love to hear Joanna. If I know you helped us run that great meeting with a lack and I see you're on the call. And if it's not too much trouble for you to say. 33 00:05:10.020 --> 00:05:15.570 Austin Ruckstuhl: what your thoughts were on the last lap call and kind of get everyone up to date on that. 34 00:05:17.310 --> 00:05:18.210 Joanna Kulesza: Thank you. Austin, it's a 35 00:05:18.270 --> 00:05:27.480 Joanna Kulesza: counterculture I'm not traveling a transcript. This me if we were indeed I also found anything very interesting and fruitful. 36 00:05:28.980 --> 00:05:39.960 Joanna Kulesza: I think you captured the gist of our takeaways. So indeedy at large and be like, speaking on behalf of the at large has been looking into the progress. 37 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:53.280 Joanna Kulesza: That has been made by the cross community working party is led by DNC is G and C. You've seen particular I'm glad to see some of the original members of the working group here. 38 00:05:54.510 --> 00:06:09.180 Joanna Kulesza: So thank you for taking the time to join us. I believe that the concerns that works pressed during the meeting reflective discussions we've had within the Lord on the topic, and they were focused around the 39 00:06:10.350 --> 00:06:22.050 Joanna Kulesza: Applicability of the tool as it stands, and my understanding, being a relative newcomer to this particular discussion and so that the impact assessment tools, such 40 00:06:22.830 --> 00:06:41.490 Joanna Kulesza: As closely linked with business responsibility and such as designed more for the business environments and it would be challenging to use it across different supply, I can community, as we have it. There was also discussion during that meeting about the 41 00:06:42.900 --> 00:06:50.730 Joanna Kulesza: The level of a presentation working party offers at this point with some of 42 00:06:52.320 --> 00:07:04.140 Joanna Kulesza: It will balance there in terms of representing different ends of the community. So to me it seems like that is something that might be attended to. But at the same time, I know that there is a rich history. 43 00:07:04.740 --> 00:07:15.330 Joanna Kulesza: Behind the composition of the work of the working party. So I think those would be the two most significant takeaways, in terms of legitimacy. 44 00:07:15.690 --> 00:07:27.480 Joanna Kulesza: And the applicability of this specific tool or generally this approach to the versatile. I can community. This might be better suited for Daejeon. So where we would indeed have 45 00:07:27.930 --> 00:07:36.840 Joanna Kulesza: Many businesses, which would probably be used to human rights impact assessments as a way to win customers, so to speak. 46 00:07:37.290 --> 00:07:50.280 Joanna Kulesza: With me at large. We would also have individuals who would have non commercial entities, we would have associations and there is always the question of funding that would support implementing that specific tool. 47 00:07:50.730 --> 00:07:56.520 Joanna Kulesza: That they call a we've had from a discussion summarizing the icon 69 meeting. 48 00:07:57.510 --> 00:08:09.900 Joanna Kulesza: I believe comes down to the fact that human rights should be well represented the prostate icon community within any policy development process that is happening or an advisor rendering 49 00:08:10.770 --> 00:08:24.210 Joanna Kulesza: Process when it comes to the advisory committees. So with that, my understanding is that the at large is willing and able to use the Human Rights reference as it stands, and bylaws. 50 00:08:24.660 --> 00:08:28.740 Joanna Kulesza: And whenever that would be needed. Whenever that would be helpful. 51 00:08:29.070 --> 00:08:42.150 Joanna Kulesza: Whereas we are somewhat concerned about the way that we could use the Human Rights impact assessment as it is on the table right now. So I think no support for human rights, there is some ambiguity. 52 00:08:42.570 --> 00:08:50.280 Joanna Kulesza: As to what specifically that would mean in different settings, which is always the case with that topic. This is why we all love it so much. 53 00:08:52.140 --> 00:08:59.310 Joanna Kulesza: But whenever there is a way to support and user issues through a human rights narrative. 54 00:08:59.970 --> 00:09:12.150 Joanna Kulesza: Be at large is always there to support it. I hope it's helpful. I'm happy to take your comments or questions and elaborate more detail, but that would be my recap of a discussion and happened during night and 69 55 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:16.320 Joanna Kulesza: And have discussions we've had internally summarizing the meeting. Thank you. 56 00:09:20.850 --> 00:09:21.900 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Thank you so much. 57 00:09:22.740 --> 00:09:23.760 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: For that. Thank you so much. 58 00:09:24.870 --> 00:09:36.330 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: I would want to open up the conversation to anonymous because you're on the agenda, just based on NC once 59 00:09:37.470 --> 00:09:37.860 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Once 60 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:43.620 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: The next steps that because one of the things, for example, looking at a 61 00:09:44.640 --> 00:09:50.430 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Report for him to you. Note that the languages and share here. 62 00:09:51.630 --> 00:09:53.460 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: You will know that this language. 63 00:09:55.170 --> 00:09:58.230 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Unexpected expected development of our tool for so 64 00:10:00.060 --> 00:10:17.040 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: For them to assess themselves is expected in just in time zone. I can board, but anything is processes to ensure that the recommendations presented for constitution have taken this competition into account. So, and the assessment tool. 65 00:10:18.060 --> 00:10:26.280 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Assessment Tool. So for this one, but I form of assessment tool is envisioned as part of the recommendations and as part 66 00:10:28.050 --> 00:10:42.240 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Of the implementation assessment report for their works to recommendations and Section three of the assessment reports. So I would be curious to hear what others think 67 00:10:49.680 --> 00:11:07.320 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: What can we do to make sure that those that section of the implementation comes to fruition, because the free minds and the drafters of the recommendations to some extent efficient a tool for. So is that an item process for 68 00:11:08.340 --> 00:11:23.430 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Today's lunch implementations and taking into consideration after getting the fly into into consideration. So I went come comments from from anyone was comments, especially Neil's city to continue but 69 00:11:24.870 --> 00:11:25.500 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Thanks for you. 70 00:11:31.590 --> 00:11:43.110 Niels ten Oever: Sure, thanks so much. Every man. Thanks so much. You and also for that overview of the discussion with a lack. I think it's very promising. I think the tool is indeed like a point of guidance. 71 00:11:44.640 --> 00:11:55.740 Niels ten Oever: But it. It's now befalls on the community, how to give hands and feet to the to the obligations that are now an inherent part of the bylaw so 72 00:11:57.510 --> 00:11:58.440 Niels ten Oever: It is really 73 00:12:02.400 --> 00:12:09.150 Niels ten Oever: It is really interesting to see how different parts of the community are going to do that. And I think it's really like laudable that 74 00:12:09.990 --> 00:12:23.010 Niels ten Oever: And somewhat unexpected but but but really great that a Black and Decker, the first ones to take the lead on this mar. In that sense, the pioneers on on implementing this work and 75 00:12:24.510 --> 00:12:40.740 Niels ten Oever: In the community. So I think perhaps we should we should take this example of leadership of the gap and a lack to the to be G and so counselors and as a general counselors, how they think. 76 00:12:41.970 --> 00:12:49.200 Niels ten Oever: How they are going to live up to this obligation that they have according to the according to the icon bylaws. 77 00:12:49.560 --> 00:13:04.740 Niels ten Oever: And as I put in my comment I think Bruna and China would be very receptive to this work, especially since to China was one of the key persons to get to fly into by law passed and all godless and Robin, I think, be very positive as well. 78 00:13:06.540 --> 00:13:11.760 Niels ten Oever: Of course, I think Greg is still a lack and there's an enormous amount of knowledge. 79 00:13:12.780 --> 00:13:20.730 Niels ten Oever: With him as well, extremely knowledgeable on this point, so it will be also interesting to see when the 80 00:13:21.210 --> 00:13:28.740 Niels ten Oever: When the PDP come to fruition or come to their end whether there is a part of human rights in there because there should be and that's 81 00:13:29.040 --> 00:13:36.120 Niels ten Oever: The moment where we should call upon them for like how and where did you consider this because you need to know and show 82 00:13:36.330 --> 00:13:47.190 Niels ten Oever: And there is this tool, but feel free to reinvent the wheel and come up with your own approach. So that will be actually very interesting. So perhaps an email to the to the Gs and our leadership. 83 00:13:47.640 --> 00:14:01.560 Niels ten Oever: Perhaps first in in discussion with with people who have been closer to this process. So just people in China or other people who were in work stream one and two of the CC WG could could help and bring this 84 00:14:03.930 --> 00:14:06.270 Niels ten Oever: Topic to for NGOs in our discussions. 85 00:14:10.020 --> 00:14:11.250 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Thank you so much. Neil's 86 00:14:11.790 --> 00:14:25.020 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: When come out. That's what that was on the call. Now, if someone could swear that I did last I had meeting in June. Oh, maybe just give him any moment. 87 00:14:43.980 --> 00:14:44.070 Information 88 00:14:46.590 --> 00:14:55.950 Suada Hadzovic: On icon 69 so I put it in chat some leads. So doing icon 69 the 89 00:14:57.210 --> 00:14:59.430 Works into accountability session. 90 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:10.890 Explore the options for implementation all the words into accountability recommendations for a couple to the content. So you can find the link in chat. 91 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:13.920 To this session. 92 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:28.440 And co chairs of the filling the guides and the festival working group together with our support stop share the information on the progress towards completing an entry. 93 00:15:29.430 --> 00:15:46.770 That will enable us to confirm and such over 14 specific recommendations assign accountability for establishing plan to develop recommendations. So Dr. You and try to stop something implementation effort. So you can find a 94 00:15:47.820 --> 00:15:48.840 Suada Hadzovic: Link to this. 95 00:15:51.570 --> 00:15:58.470 Suada Hadzovic: Tool, and we would like to thank her to Austin and defined for this session in 96 00:15:59.580 --> 00:16:15.030 Suada Hadzovic: Using the iPad 67 because it was the basis for the school and mainly our support staff worked on back to the all Julia and cool. 97 00:16:16.050 --> 00:16:18.870 So, that is some short update 98 00:16:25.530 --> 00:16:26.490 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Thank you so much. 99 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:29.250 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Glad to see the developments. 100 00:16:32.040 --> 00:16:43.320 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: This work to continue and to implement and I don't know. I don't want anyone out of the first agenda, I would 101 00:16:44.400 --> 00:16:51.090 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Welcome. Anyone else who has comments before we move on to the second attempt on 102 00:16:52.950 --> 00:16:53.550 The call 103 00:16:58.230 --> 00:17:03.570 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: If there are no comments on the agenda, as I mentioned, which 104 00:17:04.980 --> 00:17:16.980 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Is listed here is a collective discuss potential articles and deliverables. You can one on as a group. So I'm going to share name on the chat here. 105 00:17:18.300 --> 00:17:25.560 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Some potential mapping. So basically this is just a deep dive more about the tool that we have 106 00:17:26.670 --> 00:17:32.010 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: We have been working on it, trying to see how we can break down the funnel. So let me just share this 107 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:37.080 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: You can you can find 108 00:17:39.180 --> 00:17:40.680 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: That document there. 109 00:17:42.210 --> 00:17:44.820 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: which outlines 110 00:17:46.710 --> 00:17:55.920 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Of times a few potential things which we can work on the next year. So we're just so fun. The first point, just as an income. 111 00:17:57.660 --> 00:18:01.710 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Is we've mapped. So despite 112 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:09.420 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Him to recommendation, not like not explicitly mentioning human rights and some of the recommendations for example recommendation. 113 00:18:10.770 --> 00:18:18.480 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Another issue bucket 1245678 to find that 114 00:18:19.800 --> 00:18:24.450 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Order this happen. How about you, my place consent. So it is 115 00:18:28.290 --> 00:18:35.550 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: fully implemented. This would ensure that human rights when 116 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:37.770 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: When 117 00:18:38.850 --> 00:18:39.960 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Guided by 118 00:18:41.430 --> 00:18:42.360 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: An institution. 119 00:18:43.380 --> 00:18:48.420 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Community in general. So these are some of the key like key outputs that 120 00:18:50.130 --> 00:18:50.310 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: I 121 00:18:53.160 --> 00:19:01.650 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Do the recommendations. Some of the key that's maybe as he stepped up. I'd be I'd be curious to hear from 122 00:19:04.020 --> 00:19:04.770 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: us on the call. 123 00:19:06.390 --> 00:19:10.350 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: With us some questions to follow up later. 124 00:19:11.610 --> 00:19:12.090 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: That 125 00:19:13.230 --> 00:19:13.710 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Day. 126 00:19:15.330 --> 00:19:15.870 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Which 127 00:19:16.950 --> 00:19:26.340 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Is unfortunately fortunately advice, the community to to the community and I can all get the board and others, or this is 128 00:19:27.390 --> 00:19:32.970 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: action items which should be support and just scrolling down 129 00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:35.250 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Ignoring the 130 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:55.800 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Team is that gives background to someone who's new to his work but Prince at some of the one which we've talked about is called gag and lucky login others development of the tool. So some other potential, it can be 131 00:19:57.990 --> 00:19:59.580 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Putting it on to the engagement. 132 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:01.680 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: With them. 133 00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:15.120 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: So, and others, that is a potential activity, one which to so does the tools have gotten a lot of explicit, but Jen, so is one of the potential partners that we can 134 00:20:16.470 --> 00:20:29.940 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Seek to engage in and implement this tool and maybe by next year. Second time. Hopefully we can have done three assessments within three communities. 135 00:20:31.320 --> 00:20:40.740 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: To see the progress and implementation of human rights for for for this and under the two and 136 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.100 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Potential meetings with 137 00:20:45.300 --> 00:20:48.150 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: This installation Kimmy even don't ever 138 00:20:49.260 --> 00:21:08.490 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Want to want to understand the background. Understand what can be improved and the implementation of different work I'll be communication going forward. So some of the petition petition engaged with the work that 139 00:21:09.630 --> 00:21:11.880 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: He had done earlier. 140 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:14.160 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: We 141 00:21:16.590 --> 00:21:27.450 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Testing of the PDP process of the initial process was the sub process, but then their potential other processes or not. 142 00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:44.490 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Subsequently PDP walk in subsequent procedures RPM one so we can try and figure out which ones to which ones to to continue. That's, that's one that had began in October of 2018 and 143 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:52.170 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Potential series of blogs. This is some of the potential one. So I'd be curious to welcome back towards 144 00:21:56.040 --> 00:22:09.900 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: And gives me the next one here for the club. This how to continue supporting our 20 being engaged into wasn't bringing some people can also support and continue supporting this one. 145 00:22:10.290 --> 00:22:21.360 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Because I know this this group. Sometimes it's a small group. It's become ourselves also some of the things we'd be desperate stopping so welcoming comments. 146 00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:51.480 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Perfect, yeah I 147 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.400 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Would I would welcome comments from anyone. 148 00:22:59.910 --> 00:23:00.240 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: But 149 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:33.960 Austin Ruckstuhl: So this is Austin. Thank you so much for even for putting that together. I think that it's an awesome wonderful strategy to 150 00:23:34.590 --> 00:23:43.620 Austin Ruckstuhl: Possibly engage more in the next year. I think that that's amazing. Especially with the breaking down the work into sort of categories and outputs that relate to them. 151 00:23:44.190 --> 00:24:01.890 Austin Ruckstuhl: I think doing three assessment reports would be fantastic. I just hope that we can find volunteers of the sort of political will to do that. We really need to. I think sort of as a dependency on all of this is just engaging more with 152 00:24:03.510 --> 00:24:09.810 Austin Ruckstuhl: Yeah, the community and members of this group. I know we lost Neil's so far on the call. And we don't have Mallory. 153 00:24:10.320 --> 00:24:30.900 Austin Ruckstuhl: Today, which is unfortunate, but it's it's really a very small group of us that are like willing to put time into this at the moment, and perhaps we need to think about going to other calls like a lack calls and NCS G calls and and specifically requesting volunteers to help with 154 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:40.740 Austin Ruckstuhl: Writing assessment reports or writing the blogs that you mentioned, or brainstorming, the infographics. I mean, they're all really good ideas. I just think 155 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.960 Austin Ruckstuhl: That's a, it's a heavy lift for such a small group of people and 156 00:24:46.620 --> 00:24:55.200 Austin Ruckstuhl: I definitely welcome ideas to if nobody wants to speak to any of those specific activities and outputs that every team has so beautifully laid out. And this document. 157 00:24:55.800 --> 00:25:05.520 Austin Ruckstuhl: If there are ideas on how we can sort of recruit volunteers at this point because this could really be a big year, I think, I think everyone just summarizing call there really seems to be 158 00:25:06.300 --> 00:25:20.550 Austin Ruckstuhl: A serious and car wreck and recognition that human rights matter and they have to matter, especially in light of the bylaw. It's just a question of how do we best position ourselves to contribute to that work and support that work. 159 00:25:21.750 --> 00:25:28.110 Austin Ruckstuhl: But yeah, at this point, you know, without not counting. I can staff, there's so few of us on this call that 160 00:25:29.760 --> 00:25:34.620 Austin Ruckstuhl: I would hate to end. So what is already, you know, running her version of things on the backside and 161 00:25:35.070 --> 00:25:40.080 Austin Ruckstuhl: Jordans got all the a lack stuff going on. So we're sort of at a loss for volunteers that can just 162 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:50.250 Austin Ruckstuhl: Help us pick this up but I welcome any other feedback. What are your thoughts are there certain priorities we should take as far as all the different potential outputs that every human has mentioned 163 00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:07.530 Joanna Kulesza: Now, I asked him since done. I'm gonna try and chime in. Because. So there seems to be as you rightfully notes a challenge for us to get 164 00:26:07.950 --> 00:26:18.360 Joanna Kulesza: more tangible engagement that just to clarify, my understanding is that on the large side on the left side, but I'm happy to stand corrected so sweet to have article 19 165 00:26:19.380 --> 00:26:26.430 Joanna Kulesza: And Judy represented as a you rather us. So my understanding is that the perception within the large would be 166 00:26:26.910 --> 00:26:40.290 Joanna Kulesza: Somewhat more general, in general terms, so we would seek out the policies where a human rights angles to be pursued and we would be willing to face that argument and be visual, so to speak. 167 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:48.720 Joanna Kulesza: Policy development process. So on one hand, you could argue that all policies have a human rights link, hence the obligation in the bylaws. 168 00:26:49.080 --> 00:26:54.870 Joanna Kulesza: On the other hand, you could also make the argument that it is challenging to put your finger on that specific link. 169 00:26:55.410 --> 00:27:04.740 Joanna Kulesza: So my understanding is that this would be a spending item on any consolidated policy working group discussion when it comes to representing end users. 170 00:27:05.250 --> 00:27:14.490 Joanna Kulesza: The human rights lens, so to speak, would be deployed, but at the same time I would be cautious in seeking additional individuals who would have 171 00:27:15.360 --> 00:27:27.060 Joanna Kulesza: The time to capacity capacity because this also comes with a certain steep learning curve as we like to call it here within nine. Can I would be cautious in also. 172 00:27:28.470 --> 00:27:40.920 Joanna Kulesza: Kind of building the promise of further progress on getting more people involved. I would probably be inclined to look at this is one of the tools that we use in our usual policy discussions. 173 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:52.680 Joanna Kulesza: That would be my take from the discussions that we've had within a large. I'm not sure how applicable this is to either. And so, and a CS. So that would be my two cents. Thank you. 174 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:27.510 Austin Ruckstuhl: Okay, so 175 00:28:28.050 --> 00:28:40.320 Austin Ruckstuhl: Essentially, this has been a fairly good discussion about some of the potential ways forward for 2021 and things that we could work on and we will try our best to work on them. And I think that 176 00:28:41.130 --> 00:28:48.360 Austin Ruckstuhl: Just sort of summarizing a little bit what we've said so far, it really, it's so great to see so I'm working on sort of a formal at least 177 00:28:48.960 --> 00:29:00.330 Austin Ruckstuhl: Even if maybe light touch HR. I mean sort of human rights impact assessment based on the work stream to sort of within a wider Evaluation of work stream to work. That looks wonderful suada 178 00:29:01.110 --> 00:29:11.880 Austin Ruckstuhl: definitely keep us posted on that. That's amazing. If you want to share any of that to the list. That would be cool to to share that link to the CC so up HR 179 00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:22.290 Austin Ruckstuhl: Yeah, to the list. I think that a lot of people that follow the list would probably be interested and. But otherwise, and enjoy. And I definitely hear your point as well about 180 00:29:23.040 --> 00:29:35.520 Austin Ruckstuhl: A lack not really wanting to necessarily do use the tool. And I think that's totally fine. I've never, I don't think the intention was ever that this, you know, there had to be one way to do this at all. And same with 181 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:40.350 Austin Ruckstuhl: You know the aso when we reached out to them. Earlier this year, they were pretty 182 00:29:40.650 --> 00:29:50.790 Austin Ruckstuhl: Right. Isn't that to believe that their work had any impact on human rights at all. So I think it's just sort of matter of working, where we can, how we can, with whom we can when we can all of that. 183 00:29:51.060 --> 00:30:03.840 Austin Ruckstuhl: So this has been great. But are there any other comments, I was looking at herbes comment here about the Ombudsman office can't help writing policy, but there's a way they can assist as independent set of eyes. Okay, interesting. Thank you. Her that's really nice. 184 00:30:04.860 --> 00:30:11.640 Austin Ruckstuhl: To include the Ombudsman process. And I guess maybe. Same goes for you. Herb if if there's ever 185 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:22.020 Austin Ruckstuhl: Information that comes your way about human rights concerns or anything. If there's, you know, just keeping that that conversation open between the two groups. That's more than welcome as well. 186 00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:33.150 Austin Ruckstuhl: Were there any other items that anybody would like to discuss any other concerns general thoughts opinions anything is welcome at this time. If not, we will wrap it up. 187 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:51.600 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Thanks so much. 188 00:30:56.100 --> 00:31:07.230 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Really appreciate, we, I think we can close it up, but I would want. If possible, we go to the dentist and we see how to 189 00:31:08.670 --> 00:31:21.300 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Man doesn't mention the full implementation of what's the recommendation recommendations is fully implementation of human rights, because most of them, despite, for example. 190 00:31:24.090 --> 00:31:44.310 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: The human race implication. So any progress towards implementation of oxygen to the commendations is very, very, very much welcome and now I think that's into we can continue on dentists and thank you so much. I'm sitting on the nice so that's if it is, yeah, that's 191 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:47.820 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: The updates on the list, we can know 192 00:31:48.840 --> 00:31:49.950 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: That hopefully 193 00:31:52.980 --> 00:31:56.730 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Progress and how we can continue this work. I think that's it from my end. 194 00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:03.000 Austin Ruckstuhl: Thank you. 195 00:32:05.820 --> 00:32:07.200 Ephraim Percy Kenyanito: Thank you. Bye, everyone.