00:21:24 Joke Braeken - ICANN Org: hello everyone, welcome 00:23:27 Angela -bw: Hello everyone.I apologise for joining in late. Experiencing load shedding. 00:24:37 Bruce Tonkin: Hi Angela 00:28:49 Bruce Tonkin: https://gac.icann.org/working-group/gac-public-safety-working-group-pswg 00:29:12 Bruce Tonkin: The current strategic objectives of the PSWG, as detailed in its 2018-2019 work plan are as follows: Develop DNS Abuse and Cybercrime mitigation capabilities of the ICANN and Law Enforcement communities Preserve and improve domain registration directory services effectiveness Build effective and resilient PSWG operations Develop participation and in PSWG work and ensure stakeholder input 00:29:56 Bruce Tonkin: The PSWG is currently chaired by three co-chairs: Cathrin Bauer-Bulst, European Commission Laureen Kapin, United States Federal Trade Commission Chris Lewis-Evans, United Kingdom, National Crime Agency 00:30:13 Bruce Tonkin: I have certainly participated with all the co-chairs in various plenary sessions on DNS Abause over the years. 00:31:04 Chris Disspain: Cathrin has been absent lately. It’s mostly been Lateen and CLE 00:31:18 Chris Disspain: Or even Laureen 00:32:00 Bruce Tonkin: Looks like they last met in March 2022. 00:32:00 Tatiana Tropina: Chris LE is actually very sensible 🙂 00:32:45 Tatiana Tropina: they mistrust GNSO a lot. Lots. 00:33:08 Tatiana Tropina: and yes it's very “inquisitor” meetings on their side 00:34:49 Tatiana Tropina: They actually always brought whole bunch !!! 00:35:04 Tatiana Tropina: yes +1 to Chris 🙂 00:35:46 Tatiana Tropina: you talk to 3 chairs but you see some nicknames or numbers. 😕 00:36:24 David McAuley (Verisign): talk with Brian and Alan first - my suggestion - maybe also my colleague Sam Demetriou who also has lot of experience speaking with PSWG - Sam is chair of RySG 00:36:33 Chris Disspain: I think Nick and Bruce chatting to Alan and Brian and then having an informal chat with the chairs will work 00:37:06 Chris Disspain: Purpose is to brief them on mission and to bat back attempts to meet regularly 00:37:28 Tatiana Tropina: yes briefing on mission and etc 00:37:28 Chris Disspain: Precisely 00:37:32 Tatiana Tropina: yes 00:39:43 Chris Disspain: None 00:39:46 Tatiana Tropina: Something like, for the future meeting, we meet regularly with the GAC. Happy to continue. Smile smile, etc. 00:39:52 Tatiana Tropina: No objection 00:39:55 David McAuley (Verisign): None here 00:40:01 Chris Disspain: Make sure that they know it’s the Co-chairs only 00:40:08 Angela -bw: no objection 00:40:15 Diego Ernesto Luna Quevedo: None 00:41:17 Tatiana Tropina: DASC is probably is a working meeting and an update what we are doing for the broader ccNSO (other) community? (I am missing it, arriving a day late) 00:44:30 Joke Braeken - ICANN Org: indeed Tatiana, a regular working group meeting 00:44:45 Tatiana Tropina: Joke, missing it 🙁 00:47:18 David McAuley (Verisign): the repository subgroup may lead to good public facing information that we can tout, I'll speak to it 00:51:59 Tatiana Tropina: no the data should be aggregated and no names. 00:52:13 Tatiana Tropina: but I am for avoiding duplicates. 00:54:01 Tatiana Tropina: David, interestingly some of the examples we heard about at the public session highlighted that the ccTLDs do consider some content abuse as DNS abuse 00:54:11 Tatiana Tropina: (I know we were not going into this discussion) 00:54:20 David McAuley (Verisign): fair points 00:54:28 Tatiana Tropina: I agree that we can separate 01:00:09 Tatiana Tropina: this is indeed a question to discuss. I am still sort of uncomfortable with lumping various types of abuse so perhaps some sort of making a difference while acknowledging what we learnt from the public session might be a good compromise 01:00:28 Tatiana Tropina: DNS abuse framework is a very good frame 01:00:39 Tatiana Tropina: as a starting point 01:05:26 David McAuley (Verisign): Malicious vs compromised domains is a major discussion item in RySG DNS Abuse group at present 01:07:01 Joke Braeken - ICANN Org: the ToR can be found here: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=197263591 01:08:14 Joke Braeken - ICANN Org: Purpose The ccNSO DNS Abuse Standing Committee (DASC) is intended to maintain a dedicated forum for ccTLD Managers to discuss the important topic of DNS Abuse and to share information, insights, and practices. It is primarily aimed at ccTLD Managers who participate within the ICANN community but is not limited to ccNSO members. Participation is purely voluntary.In keeping with the nature of the ccNSO, the purpose of the Committee is not to formulate any policy or standards, recognising that policy development in this area is out of scope of the ccNSO policy remit. 01:08:23 Joke Braeken - ICANN Org: The overarching purpose is to raise understanding and awareness of the issues pertaining to DNS Abuse, promote open and constructive dialogue, and ultimately to assist ccTLD Managers in their efforts to mitigate the impact of DNS Abuse. In undertaking its activities, the Committee is not mandated,nor shall it act as a representative of nor act on behalf of the ccNSO, ccNSO Membership, ccNSO Council or individual ccTLD Managers collectively or individually. 01:08:30 Chris Disspain: Agree 01:09:22 Joke Braeken - ICANN Org: Thursday 25 August 2022 | 16.00 UTC Thursday 8 September 2022 |23.59 UTC ICANN75 | Saturday 17 September, block 4 01:09:51 David McAuley (Verisign): Saturday at ICANN 75 shaping up to be full day 01:12:00 Gulten Tepe - ICANN Org: Thank you everyone 01:12:06 Angela -bw: thanks all bye