00:21:32	David McAuley (Verisign):	sorry to be a bit late
00:22:01	Kimberly Carlson - ICANN Org:	hello, welcome to today's GRC COI teleconference #2 on 11 April at 14:00 UTC
00:24:27	Joke Braeken - ICANN Org:	hello everyone
00:25:17	David McAuley (Verisign):	I think that's right, Tanya
00:25:26	David McAuley (Verisign):	I was in the wrong document
00:25:41	Tatiana Tropina:	😄
00:26:02	Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council - nic VI:	you are assuredly not invisible Tatiana!!
00:26:34	Tatiana Tropina:	The document says, suspension :-)
00:29:49	David McAuley (Verisign):	I recall that happening infrequently but years ago - at least five
00:32:00	David McAuley (Verisign):	I think that's right, Tanya
00:35:09	Tatiana Tropina:	@David, about no statement: yes, 5 years ago that was possible, I think since around 2016-2017 there was stricter approach to all this
00:36:45	Tatiana Tropina:	Yes the annually thing is a stupid one, plus one to David’s comment
00:37:56	Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council - nic VI:	I like the idea of a living SOI/COI
00:39:13	Kimberly Carlson - ICANN Org:	Do you want the document as a Google doc?
00:39:27	Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council - nic VI:	yes please Kimberly
00:40:39	Kimberly Carlson - ICANN Org:	👍🏼
00:40:46	David McAuley (Verisign):	Marika's slide 2 does a lot of that also
00:42:10	Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council - nic VI:	David you raise a good point, especially if we add in IDN’s
00:42:18	David McAuley (Verisign):	OK, I guess they can wield some oinfluence - I suppose that is my question
00:42:26	David McAuley (Verisign):	influence that is
00:43:17	David McAuley (Verisign):	I thought it was for both Council and WGs
00:43:20	Tatiana Tropina:	Actually starting with the pilot for the council and then extend
00:44:45	David McAuley (Verisign):	I would think SOPC may do so as well
00:54:43	David McAuley (Verisign):	It's a difficult area
00:55:05	Tatiana Tropina:	+1 Nick
00:55:36	Tatiana Tropina:	I like the GNSO policy because it recognises by default that everybody is conflicted and puts the emphasis on transparency
00:56:28	David McAuley (Verisign):	+ 1 Tatiana -
00:57:51	Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council - nic VI:	+1 Tatiana as well
01:01:20	David McAuley (Verisign):	It makes sense to be able to vote for yourself - why else would you stand for election if you did not feel qualified
01:01:34	Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council - nic VI:	:) I just hate voting for myself David!
01:01:59	David McAuley (Verisign):	good point, Sean
01:02:08	David McAuley (Verisign):	it is hard to do that
01:03:03	Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council - nic VI:	I kind of look at it from the POV of perception
01:04:53	David McAuley (Verisign):	the matrix is helpful, thank you Bart
01:05:26	Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council - nic VI:	David, I think the matrix becomes a very hand graphic for a presentation to the community, easier to understand
01:11:01	David McAuley (Verisign):	better to have and not need, than to need and not have
01:13:41	David McAuley (Verisign):	I'm traveling 25th aklso
01:13:51	Kimberly Carlson - ICANN Org:	25 April was skipped