00:36:05 Joke Braeken: Hi All 00:36:57 Kimberly Carlson - ICANN org: Hi all, welcome to today’s GRC Conflict of Interest SG teleconference #1 on 7th February at 15:00 UTC. 00:37:28 David McAuley (Verisign): still here 00:37:36 Tatiana Tropina: Still here indeed 00:39:40 Tatiana Tropina: Yeah share the workload 00:41:48 Stephen Deerhake: Every two weeks? 00:42:28 David McAuley (Verisign): Makes sense, thamks Alejandra 00:42:36 David McAuley (Verisign): thanks 00:43:03 Nigel Roberts: I would prefer the most work to be done on the mailing list. I don't think we need meetings to be overfrequent. 00:43:12 Nigel Roberts: No more frequently than 2 weeks. 00:43:21 Nigel Roberts: I would prefer monthly. 00:43:41 David McAuley (Verisign): yes 00:43:42 Kimberly Carlson - ICANN org: With a possibility of a dry-run / ad hoc prep meeting for ICANN73 00:44:47 Kimberly Carlson - ICANN org: Time? 15:00 UTC? 00:44:47 David McAuley (Verisign): +1 @ Kim 00:46:33 David McAuley (Verisign): dry run is important IMO 00:46:49 David McAuley (Verisign): 16:00 UTC is ok with me 00:46:57 Nigel Roberts: 1600 is convenient 00:47:00 Tatiana Tropina: 16:00 UTC works 00:47:10 Nigel Roberts: Up to 1800 is perfectly fine for me. 00:47:13 Tatiana Tropina: Jordan will have a problem 00:47:33 Tatiana Tropina: But 15:00 is also bad for him 00:47:39 Tatiana Tropina: Makes no difference :-) 00:47:56 David McAuley (Verisign): sounds good Bart 00:48:10 Kimberly Carlson - ICANN org: Thank you, 16:00 UTC confirmed 00:50:06 Tatiana Tropina: I very much agree 00:52:02 Nigel Roberts: The word 'guidelines' implies optionality. All "guidelines" are in fact Rules of the CCNSO under the ICANN Bylaws as they are prefixed by boilerplate saying they are. 00:54:40 Nigel Roberts: Basing it on the ICANN Board CoI policy is not the worst idea, becuase the rest of ICANN will be familiar. 00:55:11 Nigel Roberts: It does need to cover both pecuniary (e.g. money) and non-pecuniary interests/. 00:56:23 David McAuley (Verisign): Joke, in the notes today can you also capture the chat? 00:57:53 Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council: Per Nigel’s comment, the use of policy may be more concise vs optional? 00:59:12 Kimberly Carlson - ICANN org: @David, the actual chat transcript will also be posted on the wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/HQQiCw 00:59:22 David McAuley (Verisign): Thanks, Kim 01:00:08 Stephen Deerhake: Looks good. 01:01:16 Joke Braeken: Thanks David, I have added Nigel’s comments and Sean’s feedback in the notes too, and a link to where the chat recording will be posted. 01:03:26 Kimberly Carlson - ICANN org: Yes, we will have a central repository for all the material 01:03:36 Nigel Roberts: I'm perfectly happy with "policy" but I am aware the reason that was avoided in the past was confusion with "Policy" (capital P) meaning binding consensus Policy. I'm sure we can work something out that expresses that this is something that HAS to be respected. 01:07:30 Kimberly Carlson - ICANN org: 7-10 March 01:10:30 David McAuley (Verisign): Overall process seems good to me 01:14:12 David McAuley (Verisign): we should also prepare an email to the community maybe two weeks prior to event to explain a little about the session and invite members to attend 01:16:16 David McAuley (Verisign): Tatiana may know more on this than I do 01:17:43 David McAuley (Verisign): Would Leonid be a good dspeaker for AP region? 01:18:50 Tatiana Tropina: I do know some stuff David but I especially know that GNSO small committee was revising those rules just when I was leaving the GNSO 01:19:12 David McAuley (Verisign): +1 @Bart on helpfulness of polling 01:22:10 Tatiana Tropina: Can you invite someone like Marika from GNSO about CoI? 01:22:31 Tatiana Tropina: She’s the best in operating procedures (and SOI is a part of those) 01:25:49 David McAuley (Verisign): Marika sounds good 01:25:55 Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council: Agreed 01:27:11 Tatiana Tropina: Yes it would be good too 01:28:00 Tatiana Tropina: Also I wonder what the focus here is, because the GNSO as far as I remember clearly separates the two because of fiduciary duty (or lack thereof) 01:28:09 Tatiana Tropina: But again I might - might - be mistaken 01:32:18 Tatiana Tropina: Sounds good 01:39:18 Joke Braeken: Here is the briefing paper to the ICANN72 DNS Abuse session, with the session flow: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DCiibYqrXb2b6T8z4sSBJdzq7qRR_4wU/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=108932396147626517991&rtpof=true&sd=true 01:39:31 Tatiana Tropina: I agree with Nick. Either send materials before or make it simple 01:41:03 Joke Braeken: And those presenters had 10 min 01:41:35 Svitlana Tkachenko: Tatiana: both (send material and not make the session too complicated) 01:41:43 Tatiana Tropina: A lot of issues can be prevented because we have dry run 01:42:21 Tatiana Tropina: 3 min for questions after each presentation is really enough anyway… (or maybe I am not aware of how less questions people have in this space?) 01:43:07 Tatiana Tropina: Legal, GNSO, one regional 01:43:23 David McAuley (Verisign): I support reduction to three 01:43:28 Tatiana Tropina: Me too 01:44:02 Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council: Outside of NA/E is there any ccTLD we are aware of that has had a domestic COI of significance ? 01:44:10 Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council: And I do agree with the reduction to three 01:44:21 Tatiana Tropina: Can we have 2 ccTLDs perspective speakers together? Like one slot? 01:48:12 Svitlana Tkachenko: dialogue between two  ccTLDs? 01:49:20 Tatiana Tropina: Svitlana, yes something like that! 01:49:47 ALEJANDRA REYNOSO: Time check... should we have another call next week? 01:50:13 Tatiana Tropina: I think that indeed there’s more of a transparency requirement in this regard the GNSO experience might be a better example than CCRT review rules of CoI 01:50:45 Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council: We probably should split with the main call next week at a min, this part of the conversation is actually quite good 01:50:58 Sean Copeland - ccNSO Council: @ Alejandra 01:51:17 Tatiana Tropina: Everything else comes from transparency but the question is how detailed you want to be e.g. would you directly prohibit the COI-ed person from voting somewhere etc or would rather expect them to recuse themselves 01:51:21 Tatiana Tropina: Or just be transparent 01:51:38 Tatiana Tropina: Or decide themselves. There are options as to what expectations the rules set 01:51:51 Tatiana Tropina: Sorry am being too much of a lawyer I think 😄 01:52:35 Kimberly Carlson - ICANN org: I can schedule next week for 90 mins 01:53:19 David McAuley (Verisign): 👍 01:53:23 Tatiana Tropina: I will try to join next week but might not be able too - training diplomats next Monday evening 01:54:22 Tatiana Tropina: If I can’t join I will give comments in advance. Might be able to join but will be late.. 01:54:36 Kimberly Carlson - ICANN org: 16:15 UTC, next week for 90 mins 01:57:17 David McAuley (Verisign): Ciao