00:29:01 Kimberly Carlson: Welcome to today’s ccPDP3 Review Mechanism Working Group Teleconference on 17 February at 13:00 UTC. In the interest of time, there will be no roll call. As a reminder, all calls are recorded and transcribed; recordings/transcripts will be posted on the public wiki (https://community.icann.org/x/nQRACQ). Please mute your phones and microphones when not speaking to avoid background noise and echoing. This call is governed under ICANN’s Expected Standards of Behavior. https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en 00:29:59 Vanda Scartezini: hi all sorry to arrive a bit late. 00:32:09 Jaap Akkerhuis: Oops, zoom died on me, back 00:34:06 Kimberly Carlson: Jamboard link: https://jamboard.google.com/d/1MBopxNRfIz_60NesP6Kfv5wwxjsGG_SUVN_XFuKp69A/edit?usp=sharing 00:35:27 Kimberly Carlson: Correct, summarized 00:41:58 Eberhard Lisse: RFC and FoI are deal breakers for me 00:43:08 Eberhard Lisse: Or Rather “RFC as Interpreted in FoI” 00:44:12 Vanda Scartezini: that is a good idea Eberhard ; will make it clear - RFC as interpreted in FoI 00:44:47 Patricio Poblete: Agree 00:44:54 Eberhard Lisse: In/by 00:46:48 Anna Karakhanyan: If RFC interpreted in FoI, wha we should have both References, may be Reference to FoI is enough 00:47:34 Peter Koch: Remember 1591 says “It is extremely unlikely that any other TLDs will be created" 00:47:56 Eberhard Lisse: Therefor we interpret by FoI 00:48:00 Peter Koch: ah, yes, what Jaap said 00:49:08 Patricio Poblete: That is why I think we shouldn’t consider the “naked” RFC, but always “as interpreted by FoI” 00:49:33 Eberhard Lisse: I agree, and have been doing/saying this for quite a while 00:50:08 Stephen Deerhake: +1 Patricio and Eberhard 00:50:17 Nigel Roberts: And both Patricio and I are underlining to our Board colleagues 00:56:42 Peter Koch: deciding “which side is right” as opposed to “challenged decision was wrong/arbitrary” ? IMHO that depends on the class of issue 00:57:29 Eberhard Lisse: One thing is important, if you say A=B and A!=C you can’t in a later stage say A=C. Perhaps A=D, but this is for us to decide 01:05:04 Allan MacGillivray: Nigel - I agree that we need an independent external review mechanism to condition the internal review process. 01:08:28 Vanda Scartezini: i do not vote. just agreeing with the concept 01:09:27 Peter Koch: made that ‘depends’ point earlier 01:23:21 Peter Koch: don’t understand what ‘local’ means in ‘local law’ -ICANN’s? The TLD’s? The SoIs’? 01:23:32 Peter Koch: s/SoI/SIP/ 01:23:57 Joke Braeken: I need to leave the meeting. Apologies and bye all 01:24:24 Stephen Deerhake: Bye Joke. 01:27:23 Jaap Akkerhuis: mhfrom 01:33:44 Bernard Turcotte: bye all 01:34:01 Maarten Simon: Bye ! 01:34:08 Vanda Scartezini: thanks for good discussion and clarity. have a nice week. 01:34:13 Anna Karakhanyan: bye! Thank you 01:34:27 Kimberly Carlson: Thank you all, bye