00:21:38 Kimberly Carlson: Welcome to today’s ccPDP3 Review Mechanism Working Group Teleconference on 18 November at 13::00 UTC. In the interest of time, there will be no roll call. Apologies: Svitlana Tkechenko, Eberhard Lisse. As a reminder, all calls are recorded and transcribed; recordings/transcripts will be posted on the public wiki (https://community.icann.org/x/ggjQC). Please mute your phones and microphones when not speaking to avoid background noise and echoing. This call is governed under ICANN’s Expected Standards of Behavior. https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en 00:22:08 Bernard Turcotte: hello all 00:23:27 Svitlana Tkachenko: Hello! 00:24:16 Kimberly Carlson: Welcome to those who just joined 00:24:38 Patricio Poblete: Hello everyone! 00:24:44 Peter Koch: hi, and apologies for the late join 00:25:54 Anna Karakhanyan: Hello! 00:26:59 Eberhard Lisse: Sorry for being late, I literally flew in 90 minutes ago :-)-O 00:27:26 Stephen Deerhake: I made the group aware of that. Welcome El. 00:27:32 Stephen Deerhake: Hi Anna! 00:27:50 Stephen Deerhake: Hello Patricio and Peter! 00:28:35 Peter Koch: should say IANA or FO, not PTI ;-) 00:29:20 Peter Koch: UM was ‘retired’ in a different way 00:29:44 Stephen Deerhake: Who speaks Penguin? ;-) 00:30:23 Eberhard Lisse: Peter, point here is that if someone were to apply for .UM I am sure PTI will refuse, which would fit with this. 00:30:24 Stephen Deerhake: Noted Peter. We will tweak the wording. 00:30:33 Peter Koch: what’s the threshold for ‘application’? I can’t believe nobody ever tried to ask for a code of their liking … 00:31:27 Eberhard Lisse: That I would think is an operational matter, but a refusal would be apealable 00:32:13 Kimberly Carlson: Bernie, lost audio again from you 00:32:14 Eberhard Lisse: under this clause 00:34:32 Peter Koch: it may be useful to define a threshold, though, i.e. differentiate between not accepting the application at all and refusing the delegation after inspection 00:37:43 Peter Koch: ``inaction of the IFO’’ 00:38:14 Stephen Deerhake: Good point Peter. 00:38:55 Patricio Poblete: There was a decision to not make a decision. 00:39:05 Patricio Poblete: An appeal could force IANA to make a decision. 00:39:24 Peter Koch: @stephen, actually two points, the inaction was in response to the issue: IFO avoids problem by deferring the problem to two ‘incompatible’ parties 00:40:14 Stephen Deerhake: It's an "easy way out" for them to do that. Should we have some language in our policy that forces them to decide? 00:40:56 Maarten Simon: I think we indeed need an opportunity to force IANA to decide. 00:41:12 Peter Koch: it’s not about the ‘if’ but the ‘when’ 00:41:34 Peter Koch: otherwise: ``needs more research’’ 00:45:35 Eberhard Lisse: Just to put in the record, 1591/FoI does not speak of Governments, per se, but Significantly Interested Parties. 00:46:05 Eberhard Lisse: And, the Board has to abide by Policy, not make it. 00:52:01 Vanda Scartezini: agree with Eberhart 00:53:58 Svitlana Tkachenko: yes, it’s good idea. 00:54:10 Svitlana Tkachenko: We need to look in it deeply 00:59:19 Peter Koch: why would we handle (only?) this case differently, what makes it ‘special’? 00:59:47 Stephen Deerhake: Noted Peter. 00:59:52 Peter Koch: tnx 01:02:12 Jaap Akkerhuis: For .UM the administrator wanted to stop it as far as I remember 01:02:47 Peter Koch: http://www.iana.org/reports/2007/um-report-10jan2007.html 01:07:21 Maarten Simon: No questions. Very helpful as always 01:08:05 Anna Karakhanyan: Thanks to everybody! 01:09:30 Vanda Scartezini: ok thanks to all productive meeting. see you on Dec 2 01:09:47 Nenad Orlić: bye all 01:09:50 Kimberly Carlson: thank you all, bye 01:09:54 Anna Karakhanyan: boe-bye 01:10:02 Bernard Turcotte: bye all 01:10:04 Svitlana Tkachenko: thank you ! 01:10:13 Maarten Simon: Thanks all 01:10:13 Peter Koch: thanks & bye 01:10:19 Allan MacGillivray: Bye all