00:18:42 Kimberly Carlson: Welcome to today’s ccPDP4 IDN Working Group Teleconference on 1 December at 13:00 UTC. In the interest of time, there will be no roll call. Apologies: Ram Mohan, Mirjana Tasic, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix, Jeff Bedser, Jaap Akkerhuis (late). As a reminder, all calls are recorded and recordings will be posted on the public wiki (https://community.icann.org/x/0YzzC), Please mute your phones and microphones when not speaking to avoid background noise and echoing. This call is governed under ICANN’s Expected Standards of Behavior. https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en 00:21:22 hadia Elminiawi: Hello all 00:22:25 Javier Rúa-Jovet: Hi 2 @all; excuse tardiness. 00:24:28 Alireza: can we move it move it to 14:00? 00:24:41 Alireza: for me it is 5am? 00:27:09 Peter Koch: are we missing participants from a specific region today? 00:27:30 Kimberly Carlson: Apologies: Ram Mohan, Mirjana Tasic, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix, Jeff Bedser, Jaap Akkerhuis (late 00:27:53 Peter Koch: just wanted to make sure we don’t miss those currently in a ‘red’ field just today … 00:28:12 Javier Rúa-Jovet: I cant complain about time slots. 00:28:20 Alireza: can we have doodle poll? then make decision? or do rotational? 00:29:31 hadia Elminiawi: I am ok with both 00:29:54 Javier Rúa-Jovet: Me 2. I will adapt to either. 00:29:59 hadia Elminiawi: I am fine with both 00:30:01 Anil Kumar Jain CEO NIXI India: Hello Everyone. Sorry for joining late: Thanks,Anil Kumar Jain 00:30:44 Alireza: yes 00:30:47 Kimberly Carlson: Thanks, I’ll send a Doodle 13:00 or 14:00 UTC 00:30:49 Svitlana Tkachenko: yes 00:30:49 Peter Koch: yes, do the doodle 00:30:49 hadia Elminiawi: yes 00:31:22 Svitlana Tkachenko: @Kim and both 13 & 14, for we both times are ok 00:35:00 Kimberly Carlson: Today’s meeting wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/0YzzC 00:50:02 Dennis Tan: Is there a benefit to “hardcode” a specific version of the ISO 3166 in the policy, given that the standard is revised every five years? 00:50:36 Dennis Tan: I’m referring to the proposed text by Jaap over email 00:51:47 hadia Elminiawi: We should have a one general rule, without looking at individual cases 00:52:32 Peter Koch: @Hadia, the problem is that ‘exceptionally reserved’ is always very individual … 00:54:12 Dennis Tan: Thanks, Bart. That makes sense to me 00:59:07 hadia Elminiawi: @Peter yes - but it is still a general policy 01:00:18 Jaap Akkerhuis: Hi all… 01:09:59 Dennis Tan: That’s correct, the IDN guidelines is for second level names, not TLDs 01:10:40 Yuri Takamatsu: @Dennis +1 01:11:29 Dennis Tan: What are we solving for? if we are solving for the “letters” used by IDN ccTLDs (and context rules, etc.) then we should consider the Root Zone LGR, which already incorporates IDNA2008 and other work, e.g. RFC 6912 01:13:48 Dennis Tan: The downside of using Root Zone LGR is that not all scripts are incorporated in it, at least not in the current version 01:14:14 Javier Rúa-Jovet: ok w me 01:14:22 hadia Elminiawi: ok by me too 01:15:42 Javier Rúa-Jovet: not from me 01:16:05 Javier Rúa-Jovet: Yep. Thx @Jaap. 01:16:09 Jaap Akkerhuis: Nice, thanks 01:21:01 Javier Rúa-Jovet: Is "Designated Language" a UN term d'art or is it a term coined by ICANN? Would that be explained in footnote 3? 01:22:37 Javier Rúa-Jovet: Ok Thx Bart. That was my general understanding. Maybe that could be explained in FN 01:23:12 hadia Elminiawi: @Anil doesn't designated language cover what you have just explained ? 01:24:44 Peter Koch: do we deliberately not reference to the list of languages per territory (“administrative language of the country”) in the ISO 3166-1 standard? Then maybe add an explanatory footnote? 01:27:10 Peter Koch: I knew I had read this before, apologies 01:34:13 Kimberly Carlson: Thank you all, bye. Doodle to follow 01:34:14 Javier Rúa-Jovet: Thx 2 @all!! Bye! 01:34:20 Michael Bauland: thanks. bye