00:21:02 Kimberly Carlson: Hello, hope all are well. Welcome to today’s Guideline Review Committee (GRC) teleconference on 20 April at 12:00 UTC. In the interest of time, roll-call will be taken based on who is on Zoom. No apologies have been received. As a reminder, calls are recorded and recordings posted on the public wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/ESuJBw Please also remember to mute your phones and microphones when not speaking to avoid background noise and echoing. 00:21:35 Joke Braeken: just to let you know that I will shares the notes on the mailing list after the meeting: this time there is no google doc. Sorry about that. 00:21:49 David McAuley (Verisign): I will also dial in and my number will end in 8624 00:22:00 Kimberly Carlson: Thanks David, noted 00:33:21 David McAuley (Verisign): Thanks Bart 00:34:17 David McAuley (Verisign): agreed, like a different page - so process is tramsparent' 00:35:47 David McAuley (Verisign): woops - I forgot, no progress 00:35:58 David McAuley (Verisign): my apologies, will do within a day or so 00:36:23 Stephen Deerhake: That pesky day job got you David! ;-) 00:36:50 David McAuley (Verisign): surprisingly busy, Stephen, during this stay-at-home time 00:37:07 Stephen Deerhake: Me too! 00:37:34 David McAuley (Verisign): I will send something to list quite soon 00:37:45 David McAuley (Verisign): trying to simplify what I suggested last time 00:40:50 David McAuley (Verisign): yes, that's it 00:42:12 David McAuley (Verisign): OK, thanks Bart 00:46:14 David McAuley (Verisign): so if accepted then 'rejection' will become 'removal' in footnote - is that right 00:47:52 Stephen Deerhake: See https://ccnso.icann.org/en/about/rules.htm for the Rules. 00:48:19 David McAuley (Verisign): ok - makes sense as explained by Bart and tweaked by Katrina, makes sense to me 00:50:35 David McAuley (Verisign): looks good - when I read these changes I thought they were fine 00:52:41 Stephen Deerhake: Time line table is a great idea. 00:52:55 David McAuley (Verisign): +1 @Stephen 00:53:48 David McAuley (Verisign): I think both terms would work 00:53:55 David McAuley (Verisign): no issue here with milestone 00:54:01 Stephen Deerhake: David, Sean, you want to tackle that one? 00:54:28 David McAuley (Verisign): Stephen, I'm ok with either - 00:54:35 David McAuley (Verisign): trigger or milestone 00:56:32 David McAuley (Verisign): yes, absolutely on the table itself, but good to look at terminology 00:57:49 David McAuley (Verisign): due process would give the director a chance to defend - but no appeal makes sense to me - no right to be on the board 00:57:59 Stephen Deerhake: That's my understanding Katrina. 00:58:26 David McAuley (Verisign): still seems right to me 00:58:33 Stephen Deerhake: If Council sits on a petition, they can kill the removal process. 01:05:32 Stephen Deerhake: How do you define "clear and demonstrated interest"? 01:06:23 David McAuley (Verisign): I tend to share Stephen's question - how would we satisfy the clear and demonstrated stanbdard 01:06:58 Stephen Deerhake: Should we reference WS2 here then? 01:07:28 Stephen Deerhake: Footnote would work. 01:09:53 David McAuley (Verisign): No thanks, Bart 01:11:44 David McAuley (Verisign): line 29 - is there time for ccNSO to act (believe) vs Council 01:12:35 David McAuley (Verisign): that 'individual' is the word as Katrina says 01:13:06 Stephen Deerhake: Thank you Bart. 01:18:11 David McAuley (Verisign): fair point 01:18:30 Stephen Deerhake: Correct Bart regarding the ECA. 01:22:59 David McAuley (Verisign): How about: is reasonably believed by the Council to be made in good faith and a feasible allegation? 01:24:24 David McAuley (Verisign): I think this is a fair point by Katrina 01:29:06 David McAuley (Verisign): I like using bold for defined terms 01:29:43 David McAuley (Verisign): That's actually not easy 01:29:56 David McAuley (Verisign): don't bylaws use pacific time 01:30:06 Stephen Deerhake: Keep in mind that Annex D is all tied back to LA time. 01:30:12 David McAuley (Verisign): and that changes twice a year 01:31:03 Stephen Deerhake: Which is in LA. I do not see them moving... ;-) 01:31:32 Katrina Sataki: You can never tell with ICANN 01:34:39 David McAuley (Verisign): That makes sense 01:34:59 David McAuley (Verisign): for instance, what if we get a petition for removal with no name of petitioner 01:38:52 Stephen Deerhake: 3.1(a) reads differently to me. 01:39:05 Stephen Deerhake: Annex D. 01:39:18 David McAuley (Verisign): we can reject a petition so would we start counting if we reject the petition? 01:39:32 Katrina Sataki: it is NOT a petition unless it meets all the requirements 01:40:24 Alyssa Moore: Within two days following receipt of a _complete_ ccNSO Director Removal Petition. 01:41:30 David McAuley (Verisign): there are a few questions that we need to revisit in the context of having a bylaws review as we decide them - the agenda would set them out 01:45:32 Stephen Deerhake: It's not really "different" in my view. 01:47:31 Stephen Deerhake: I'm exhausted... 01:48:09 Stephen Deerhake: Thank you David. The language is very dense around that. 01:48:11 David McAuley (Verisign): Thanks Bart 01:48:45 David McAuley (Verisign): This is taxing work, thanks to Katrina and Bart for leading this effort 01:49:11 David McAuley (Verisign): none here 01:50:11 Kimberly Carlson: Next meeting 4 May at 12:00 UTC (Star Wars day) 01:50:31 David McAuley (Verisign): 3 weeks fine here 01:50:47 Mirjana Tasic: 3 weeks is OK 01:50:50 Alyssa Moore: good for me 01:50:51 Svitlana Tkachenko: it’s ok for me 01:51:06 Kimberly Carlson: 11th May, 12:00 UTC 01:51:11 Stephen Deerhake: Bye all. 01:51:12 Kimberly Carlson: Sending calendar invites 01:51:13 Kimberly Carlson: thanks bye 01:51:17 David McAuley (Verisign): good bye all best wishes 01:51:18 Mirjana Tasic: Bye all