00:15:30 Kimberly Carlson: Hello everyone, hope you are well. Welcome to today’s GRC teleconference on 23 March at 12:00 UTC. In the interest of time, attendance will be taken based on those on Zoom. Call are recorded and recordings posted on the public wiki space: https://community.icann.org/x/6xCJBw. As a reminder, please mute your phones/microphones while not speaking to avoid background noise. 00:15:44 Svitlana Tkachenko: Hello everyone! 00:19:27 David McAuley: having issue lowering hand but finally 00:19:34 David McAuley: got it down 00:20:01 David McAuley: The difficulty with virtual is the time zone issue 00:20:22 David McAuley: might have to have 2 parallel meetings separated by 12 hours 00:20:28 Joke Braeken: Stephen: agrees with David. Suggests to ave written materials as a preparation, and 1 or 2 webinars following that 00:21:21 Stephen Deerhake: Thank you Bart. 00:22:20 David McAuley: good point, Bart about guidelines review 00:23:56 Stephen Deerhake: At the end of the day I suppose we could request a Bylaw change to get things sorted. But we should first attempt to adequately engage our Community. 00:25:00 David McAuley: very true, Katrina, about the nuances of F2F that are lost in virtual meetings 00:26:38 David McAuley: start preparing - and keep virtual meetings with brief agenda, not try to do too much in any one meeting (never more than one hour estimate) 00:30:47 David McAuley: Thanks Joke, 00:31:07 David McAuley: that does sound longer than expected 00:31:13 Joke Braeken: here is the link to the nomination report: https://community.icann.org/display/ccNSOCWS/14+February+2020?preview=/126422241/126425305/Nominationreport_boardseat11_14febr2019.pdf 00:31:29 Stephen Deerhake: Yes. 00:35:26 David McAuley: If limited to first then let's limit to one chance only? 00:36:01 David McAuley: Maybe one chance to nominate and two to second? 00:36:25 David McAuley: good point, Katrina 00:40:12 Stephen Deerhake: I agree with Katrina here. One and out. 00:42:20 David McAuley: I think nominations are different than secondments, I don't see an issue with multiple secondments 00:44:09 David McAuley: well my point is just one person, happy with result even though not my position - our decision is not unreasonable 00:45:55 David McAuley: agree to move forward 00:46:28 Stephen Deerhake: Suggest limit nominations to 1. 00:46:41 David McAuley: agree with Stephen 00:46:44 Mirjana Tasic: My position is to limit nominations, but not seconding 00:47:01 Sean Copeland: Agee with David and Stephen 00:47:03 David McAuley: +1 @ Mirjana 00:47:11 David McAuley: and Sean 00:47:20 Svitlana Tkachenko: 1 to 1 for nomination and multiple seconding 00:57:54 David McAuley: wading into Annex D again, always good fun 00:58:21 Stephen Deerhake: Line #'s are key. 00:58:39 Stephen Deerhake: Annex D: The cure for boring times... 00:58:55 David McAuley: and cure for insomnia 00:59:56 Stephen Deerhake: Bad sausage making Katrina... ;-) 01:01:44 Katrina Sataki: I’m not even sure one can wholeheartedly call the result a sausage 01:02:44 Alyssa Moore: apologies for joining late, folks. 01:03:12 Stephen Deerhake: No problem Alyssa. I trust you and yours are safe (if bored). 01:06:16 David McAuley: absolutely - long and similar terms 01:06:54 Stephen Deerhake: OK Katrina! I just had to pick myself up from the floor --+1 to your comments regarding Annex D. 01:06:57 David McAuley: the defined terms in Annex D are difficult to manage in a read-through because they look alike and are so long 01:07:28 Stephen Deerhake: The terminology has to be precise. If we opt for abbreviations, then we introduce another level of complexity. 01:08:12 Stephen Deerhake: The Glossary will be longer than the set of the Guideline if we are not careful here... 01:08:23 Stephen Deerhake: s/set/text/ 01:08:44 David McAuley: good point, Bart and Stephen - I imagine when Sidley law firm drafted Annex D they tried to shorten these and found they could not 01:09:29 Alyssa Moore: I find it much easier to read through a document sans abbreviations 01:09:51 Katrina Sataki: Have you read Annex D? :) 01:10:00 Alyssa Moore: hahah 01:10:04 Alyssa Moore: unfortunately yes 01:11:32 Stephen Deerhake: TOTALLY Agree with Bart that we can combine the Approval/Rejection/Spill the Board Manager into a single position... 01:11:58 David McAuley: with an alternate, no? so we have at least two persons with knowledge about this? 01:12:13 Stephen Deerhake: We need an alternative, yes David. 01:12:51 Katrina Sataki: It’s not that we’ll have to go through any of these processed every year :) 01:13:06 Stephen Deerhake: Let us hope not! :-) 01:15:43 Stephen Deerhake: That is my interpretation as well Bart. 01:17:23 David McAuley: an individual can request removal 01:17:30 David McAuley: anyone 01:17:36 David McAuley: as I read annex d 01:19:52 David McAuley: good point - things needed to be able to be indemnified 01:20:02 David McAuley: by ICANN 01:22:11 David McAuley: interesting issue if these kinds of community foruims will be held in virtual meetings 01:23:22 Stephen Deerhake: Bart, I'm a native English speaker and Annex D makes my head explode. You've done well on this. 01:23:35 David McAuley: +1 @Stephen 01:24:13 David McAuley: OK< thanks Bart 01:24:21 Stephen Deerhake: Agree with you on that Bart. This is the place for it. 01:28:03 Stephen Deerhake: How can the ccNSO Council decision NOT be subject to the Rules of the ccNSO? 01:33:28 David McAuley: mostly copy-edit kinds of comments 01:34:17 Stephen Deerhake: OK. I can buy that argument. 01:35:21 Stephen Deerhake: Oh Please! Oh Please! Let's change it all to UTC. It's impossible to sort out! 01:35:45 David McAuley: problem is pacific time changes twice a year vis-à-vis UTC 01:36:08 Stephen Deerhake: If it's any consolation ICANN Legal can't sort it out correctly either! ;-) 01:36:24 David McAuley: we could do that if we build in one hour less 01:36:33 Sean Copeland: The UTC is a life safer for me out here in the Pacific 01:37:35 Stephen Deerhake: It's a Bylaw change for certain. But it should be bundled with other changes... 01:37:45 Katrina Sataki: absolutely 01:44:33 David McAuley: That could be 01:44:41 Stephen Deerhake: I hate them... ;-) 01:44:53 David McAuley: old 01:51:49 David McAuley: good plan 01:52:14 David McAuley: Thanks Katrina, Bart, Joke, Kim and all 01:52:18 Stephen Deerhake: Good to go here.' 01:53:11 Kimberly Carlson: Thanks all, take care 01:53:20 Stephen Deerhake: Thanks Kimberly. 01:53:20 David McAuley: good bye all