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09:54:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Well parts of Asia and even Australia are getting the second wave at the moment ;-(
09:55:55 From shreedeep rayamajhi to All panelists : Cheryl we are still on the first
09:56:01 From shreedeep rayamajhi to All panelists : :(
09:56:19 From Maritza Agüero to All panelists : Hello everyone!!! Here it´s almost 2 am :)
09:56:31 From Edmon to All panelists : ya... lets not forget the second wave... but still i think people should still live a little when they can in between waves :-P whats your life for without a life :-D
09:56:46 From Maritza Agüero : Hello everyone!!! Here it´s almost 2 am :)
09:57:13 From Maureen Hilyard - ALAC to All panelists : Its 9pm for me in the Cook Islands, Maritza :)
09:57:36 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : Party!
09:57:53 From Maureen Hilyard - ALAC : Its 9pm for me in the Cook Islands, Maritza :)
09:58:19 From Maritza Agüero : Helloo Maureen!!!! Lucky you!!!
09:58:20 From Maarten Botterman to All panelists : Good evening, Maureen - 9 AM here in Rotterdam
09:58:45 From Maureen Hilyard - ALAC : But the ISOC@ICANN event is at 2am for me
09:58:56 From Holly Raiche to All panelists : Just for once in the APAC region, the time is perfect - it’s 1700 hrs
09:59:08 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : Midnight!
09:59:08 From Tom Dale (GNSO Council) to All panelists : Hello from Canberra
09:59:12 From Maureen Hilyard - ALAC : Swings and roundabouts.... :)
09:59:26 From Holly Raiche to All panelists : @ Maureen - so very true
09:59:32 From Priyatosh Jana to All panelists : Hi everyone
09:59:43 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : 3am checking in
09:59:48 From Priyatosh Jana : hi everyone
09:59:50 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : is the audio on
10:00:06 From Heidi Ullrich to All panelists : Welcome, All.
10:00:08 From Maureen Hilyard - ALAC : Much better, your highness
10:00:10 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : now audio is on
10:00:14 From Maarten Botterman to All panelists : Congratulations again Olivier!
10:00:24 From Maarten Botterman to All panelists : Recognition well deserved.
10:00:46 From Dave Kissoondoyal - Mauritius to All panelists : Hello everyone
10:01:00 From Dave Kissoondoyal - Mauritius : Hello everyone
10:01:13 From Amrita to All panelists : Hi Everyone
10:01:23 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : hello everyone
10:01:26 From Denesh Bhabuta (DNS-OARC) : Hi everyone, from the UK
10:01:35 From Amrita : Hi Everyone
10:01:40 From Deborah Escalera to All panelists : Hello all
10:01:40 From Maritza Agüero : hahaha @Maureen!
10:01:55 From Maritza Agüero : Hi amritaaaa how are you?
10:02:12 From Alberto Soto to All panelists : Hello everyone!
10:02:21 From Nadira Al Araj to All panelists : Hi all
10:02:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Good evening from Australia
10:03:05 From Paul Muchene to All panelists : Good morning from Kenya
10:03:13 From Maritza Agüero : Hello @Cheryl!! :)
10:03:19 From sergio salinas porto to All panelists : hi all! Hola a todos y todas!
10:03:41 From Matthias M. Hudobnik to All panelists : hello all
10:03:42 From sergio salinas porto : hi all! Hola a todos y todas!
10:03:42 From Holly Raiche to All panelists : It’s called sod’s law
10:03:45 From Maritza Agüero : much better!
10:03:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Hola @Maritza
10:03:49 From Maritza Agüero : Sergio holaaaa!!!
10:04:15 From Herb Waye Ombuds : Bonjour Hello from Canada
10:04:17 From sergio salinas porto : Hola Maritza!!!! muy temprano para nosotros hoy<!!!!! jajaa
10:04:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Gremlins AND Murphey Law @O
10:04:47 From Maritza Agüero : 2 m en Lima, Peru!! tu @Sergio??
10:04:51 From Barrack Otieno : Hello colleagues
10:05:20 From Lillian Achom to All panelists : Hi all! Greetings from Kampala, Uganda
10:06:06 From sergio salinas porto : HBonjour @Herb bienvenue, je suis Sergio d'Argentine
10:06:45 From sergio salinas porto : 4:06 de la mañana en Argentina...horario Horiible @Maritza
10:06:54 From Maritza Agüero : wowwww
10:07:06 From Bruna Santos (NCUC) to All panelists : 4h06 in brasilia too!
10:07:17 From Lousewies van der Laan to All panelists : Hi from The Haguež
10:07:31 From Lousewies van der Laan to All panelists : Hague - sorry, Slovene keyboard ...
10:08:03 From Gisella Gruber : Reminder to speak at a reasonable speed to allow for accurate interpretation and to state your name when you take the floor.
10:08:40 From Lousewies van der Laan : Goodmorning everyone - best health from sunny The Hague
10:09:18 From sergio salinas porto : @gisella OK! and thnks for de recipes!!!!! ;-D
10:09:42 From Maritza Agüero : Thank you @Gisella!
10:09:50 From Yesim Nazlar : @All - Kind reminder to please speak at a reasonable speed for the interpretation purposes.
10:10:24 From Lousewies van der Laan : It is really important to learn from the last round. This is an important session.
10:10:41 From sergio salinas porto : @gisella OK! and thnks for de recipes!!!!! ;-D
10:10:54 From Lousewies van der Laan : It would also be interesting to have someone research what led to most litigation ---
10:11:23 From Rafik Dammak : @ocl yes you are :0
10:12:06 From Gisella Gruber : Reminder to speak at a reasonable speed to allow for accurate interpretation and to state your name when you take the floor.
10:12:49 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to All panelists : Is this because I was speaking so FAST? :-)
10:12:53 From Roberto : I can’t exit full screen - is this a problem on my side or is it a “feature” of this session?
10:13:07 From Honesty Box to All panelists : I can. Might be your side
10:13:19 From Gisella Gruber to All panelists : To all PRESENTERS/PANELISTS - please TURN OFF your notifications when presenting
10:13:29 From Gisella Gruber to All panelists : This is causing interference for the interpreters
10:13:37 From Denesh Bhabuta (DNS-OARC) : @Roberto I think it is your side.
10:13:37 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to All panelists : @Roberto -- try double clicking on the screen to escape full screen mode
10:13:57 From Hadia Elminiawi : @Roberto exiting full screen is possible
10:13:57 From Roberto : Thanks @Denesh - will close and reconnect
10:15:22 From vmloi : @roberto: double click --> exit full screen
10:15:48 From sergio salinas porto : @Roberto The same thing happens to me, I thought it was my Debian operating system, I see that I am not the only one.
it must be a feature of zoom webinars
10:15:49 From Roberto to All panelists : I tried it, it does not work - but thanks @vmloi
10:15:53 From Matthias Pfeifer dot.berlin to All panelists : well, operational costs are the matter of the private ecomomy
10:16:37 From Roberto to All panelists : Iw as not happening for the plenary webinar a couple of hours ago
10:16:50 From sergio salinas porto : @vmoil exact double clic
10:16:51 From Roberto to All panelists : *It was*
10:16:55 From Marita Moll : Under Justine's leadership, we have tried hard to address that double bias problem
10:17:08 From Marita Moll : in the CPWG discussions
10:23:11 From Marita Moll : Points being deducted twice for the same item
10:23:28 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : Indeed
10:24:09 From Marita Moll : sorry for the disjointing
10:25:52 From Holly Raiche to All panelists : Great presentation - with LOTS of good points
10:26:17 From Sarah Kiden to All panelists : Wow, thank you, Edmon!
10:27:11 From Nadira Al Araj to All panelists : Thank you Edmon for highlighting important issues
10:31:11 From Marita Moll : Quite shocking to hear this historical piece that ended up sidetracking many community applications
10:32:05 From Lousewies van der Laan : I am wondering if the fact that those with deep pockets seem to benefit is also linked to the American "preference" for solving issues by litigation.
10:33:21 From Lousewies van der Laan : I put preference in quotation marks because I realise it is not always a choice- it's a cultural reality
10:34:16 From Lousewies van der Laan : Why was "pre-existing" put in? What is wrong with actually joining forces with a view to obtaining the TLD?
10:34:24 From Edmon : hmm i think its a "preference" for market driven which views these issues as an economic transaction rather than supporting a community
10:34:49 From Justine Chew to All panelists : Good question, @Lousewies.
10:34:52 From Holly Raiche to All panelists : @ Edmon - that’s how it sounds
10:34:56 From Marita Moll : The eva;
10:35:08 From Lousewies van der Laan : @edmon Good observation.
10:35:15 From Matthias M. Hudobnik to All panelists : great hands on insights of the reality
10:35:48 From Marita Moll : THe evaluation panel need more people with specific community background and experience
10:36:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : @Lousewies there are many 'mysteries' in all this Thus many of the Recommendations and guidance that we trust will come out of SubPro in our Final Report
10:36:48 From Roberto to All panelists : @Edmon +1
10:37:20 From Lousewies van der Laan : @Cheryl - I hope so !
10:37:29 From Matthias Pfeifer dot.berlin to All panelists : icann needs to build ad-hoc panel with (real) experts when it comes to a cpe
10:38:36 From Edmon : agree with matthias: icann needs to build ad-hoc panel with (real) experts when it comes to a cpe
10:39:13 From Nadira Al Araj to All panelists : Thank you Constantine for your recommendations
10:39:24 From Lousewies van der Laan : Populating that panel will be complicated. If you're an expert on that community, you will probably have an interest ....
10:39:27 From Susan.Payne : So the latest Bylaws have changed the status of an IR decision: "(iii) ICANN intends, agrees, and consents to be bound by all IRP Panel decisions of Disputes of Covered Actions as a final, binding arbitration."
10:39:28 From Edmon : i had jot down a note but missed it in my presentation, the CPE panel needs to have community expertise (the community the applicant is identifying) to make certain informed judgements
10:39:37 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Interesting, then who will be held accountable if ICANN is not held accountable
10:39:56 From Liz Orembo to All panelists : Good question Daniel
10:40:17 From Edmon : i guess what constantine mean is something like a supreme court vs. US gov check/balance
10:40:18 From Susan.Payne : @Daniel, the Bylaws have been changed from those that applied at the time of the Music application
10:40:39 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Thank you @Susan
10:41:15 From Priyatosh Jana : Thank you @Susan
10:42:30 From Matthias Pfeifer dot.berlin to All panelists : Lousewies: i did .Versicherung (without cpe, thx god) and i am sure when i would come to the cpe - the panelists would have NO clue regarding the insurance landscape of german speaking countrys ..
10:45:12 From Liz Orembo to All panelists : Hows the pricing for community applications determined?
10:46:21 From Edmon : @Liz, you mean pricing as in price for registrars/registrants?
10:46:30 From Edmon : that would be set by the registry operator
10:47:16 From Constantine Roussos to All panelists : @susan.payne Yes this is true: So the latest Bylaws have changed the status of an IR decision: "(iii) ICANN intends, agrees, and consents to be bound by all IRP Panel decisions of Disputes of Covered Actions as a final, binding arbitration." BUT the Panelists cannot tell the ICANN Board what to do. All this says is that ICANN must accept the findings of the IRP. Quite different than telling ICANN what they should do. ICANN must accept the decision but a Panelist cannot tell ICANN to accept or reject an application or to engage in a re-evaluation. They can give recommendations. Panelists cannot replace the ICANn Board. Devil is in the details.
10:48:02 From Holly Raiche to All panelists : I”m not hearing about the language used in the AGB, its clarity and consistency, or the experience and expertise of the evaluators
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10:50:02 From Constantine Roussos : Sorry wanted to share this with all: @susan.payne Yes this is true: So the latest Bylaws have changed the status of an IR decision: "(iii) ICANN intends, agrees, and consents to be bound by all IRP Panel decisions of Disputes of Covered Actions as a final, binding arbitration." BUT the Panelists cannot tell the ICANN Board what to do. All this says is that ICANN must accept the findings of the IRP. Quite different than telling ICANN what they should do. ICANN must accept the decision but a Panelist cannot tell ICANN to accept or reject an application or to engage in a re-evaluation. They can give recommendations. Panelists cannot replace the ICANn Board. Devil is in the details.
10:50:21 From Nadira Al Araj to All panelists : Thanks Christa
10:52:04 From Marita Moll : We are sorry about it too Justine. Would have been nice to meet you in person in your time zone!
10:55:56 From Matthias Pfeifer dot.berlin to All panelists : .Versicherung and .reise are missing in the list
10:57:04 From Susan.Payne : @Constantine, I take your point. However I do believe that where there is a firm recommendation from the IRP panel, for example to accept/reject an application, it would be a brave decision for the Board not to follow it
11:00:39 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : Yes!
11:02:27 From Roberto : @Constantine: Try with the Cal. AG - it worked with the PIR case
11:05:33 From Holly Raiche to All panelists : AT the very least- Evaluators with the requisite knowledge
11:06:39 From Edmon : yes i believe CPE evaluators need knowledge BOTH in ICANN community and the community identified by the applicant, or can draw on such knowledge
11:08:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Indeed @Edmon
11:08:37 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Baher Esmat, All Panelists : Hello Baher -- would you be able to answer Joanna's question -- are there any targete regional capacity building effots targeting "expanding the circle" led by ORG / GSE? I'm looking for initiatives targeting end users, especially in developing countries and underrepresented regions?
11:09:33 From Joanna Kulesza ALAC : @Edmon re: my question: happy to hear your experiences and thoughts on successful regional targetted CB efforts. I keep thinking building capacity on these processes seems particularly challenging for the reasons Justine in explaining. I'm looking for good practice examples. Presumably including loans to cover the fees;)
11:10:03 From Holly Raiche to All panelists : If Community reps can’t be on the panel, there must be a mechanism to ensure that those on the panel have expertise - taking Edmon’s point - both about ICANN and the community area. Maybe a power of veto, or at the least consultation?
11:10:17 From Matthias Pfeifer dot.berlin to All panelists : yep - its because a economic community is following another logic than cultural cimmunitys
11:10:20 From Matthias Pfeifer dot.berlin to All panelists : *o
11:11:30 From Holly Raiche to All panelists : @ Joanna - Christopher W. had some really good suggestions on the issue
11:12:13 From Edmon : @Joanna, I think we need to implement the remainder of the JAS report as a starting point, including ICANN fees etc. and then i think we should look to/draw on the auction proceeds (not to override the ongoing work to put that part together, but to make sure that that pool can/may be used by potential applicants and successful applicants)
11:12:28 From Matthias Pfeifer dot.berlin to All panelists : that said, a cultural community may lack of any formal structure
11:12:30 From Jeffrey Neuman to All panelists : Hello all - Just a note to let you know that Justine is doing a fantastic job within the SubPro PDP Working Group representing your interests. You are all lucky to have her
11:12:43 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you, Justine!
11:12:53 From Jeffrey Neuman : Hello all - Just a note to let you know that Justine is doing a fantastic job within the SubPro PDP Working Group representing your interests. You are all lucky to have her
11:12:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Excellent presentations Thank you all... @Justine brilliant as ever!
11:13:05 From Nadira Al Araj to All panelists : Thank you Justine
11:13:55 From Yrjo Lansipuro to All panelists : +1 to CLO and Jeffrey
11:14:09 From Maureen Hilyard - ALAC to All panelists : Excellent presentations by Edmon, Constantine, Christa and Justine. Really gave a great overview of the issues related to the earlier Applicant process and CPE
11:14:39 From Maureen Hilyard - ALAC to All panelists : Better understanding of the issues with practical contexts.
11:14:56 From Joanna Kulesza ALAC : Thanks Jeff, we're well aware;)
11:15:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : @Jeff we are indeed!
11:15:34 From Edmon : actually DotKids Foundation's .kids application is moving through contracting with ICANN
11:15:46 From Maureen Hilyard - ALAC : Excellent presentations by Edmon, Constantine, Christa and Justine. Gave a great overview of the issues related to the earlier Applicant process and CPE Better understanding of the issues with practical contexts.
11:15:58 From Heidi Ullrich to Baher Esmat, All Panelists : Hi Baher, I understand Olivier reached out to you. Are you able to respond to the GSE cap building question?
11:15:58 From Baher Esmat to All panelists : @Joanna regarding your question about regional capacity building - It is something that community in the Middle East has flagged and we do plan to have outreach / awareness raising activities during FY21, and other activities will follow in due time - all as part of our 5-yrs regional plan (FY21-Fy25)
11:16:18 From Heidi Ullrich to Baher Esmat, All Panelists : Just saw your response. Thanks!
11:17:15 From Hadia Elminiawi : @Joanna the GSE for the MEAC is supporting the DNS entrepreneurship center (The center that I lead) in running capacity building sessions/workshops for the purpose of raising awareness, expanding the circle and providing possible support.
11:17:19 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Baher Esmat, All Panelists : thanks @Baher
11:17:34 From Maureen Hilyard - ALAC : Baher - but what about other developing areas - what support do applicants get, as Liz is asking ?
11:19:33 From Christina Rodriguez to All panelists : Yes you can
11:19:35 From Yesim Nazlar : @Sebastien - confirmed
11:19:39 From Christina Rodriguez to All panelists : Go ahead Sebastien
11:19:58 From Matthias Pfeifer dot.berlin to All panelists : mhm..the fact wheter its a community or not is only relevant to the CPE, not for an application without other applicaions fr the same string
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11:20:24 From Baher Esmat to All panelists : @Maureen, as fas as the Middle East region is concerned we’re yet to understand exactly the regional needs / demand for next round; this is something we’re trying to explore as we speak. Also, the ME Space has recently issued a statement on the same topic of Applicant Support, and their input is something that we are taking into account as well.
11:20:40 From Sébastien Bachollet (Euralo) : https://archive.icann.org/en/meetings/brussels2010/node/12503.html
11:20:52 From Nadira Al Araj to All panelists : How to listen to the translation?
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11:26:06 From Holly Raiche to All panelists : @ Constantine - what else should be in place that wasn’t
11:26:34 From Yesim Nazlar to Liz Orembo, All Panelists : Hi Liz - is this a new hand?
11:26:52 From Yesim Nazlar to Sébastien Bachollet (Euralo), All Panelists : Hi Sébastien - is this a new hand?
11:27:05 From Holly Raiche to All panelists : Apologies - I have to leave this call but this was a terrific session - thanks to all
11:31:29 From Liz Orembo to All panelists : Oh its an old one. Appologies.
11:31:40 From Nadira Al Araj to All panelists : It is pity my question not raised to the participants here
11:31:58 From Joanna Kulesza ALAC : +100 JZ
11:32:02 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : @Nadira --- your question was answered on the Q&A wasn't it?
11:32:21 From Nadira Al Araj to All panelists : It is good that all listen to it and consider it
11:34:01 From Heidi Ullrich to All panelists : Thanks, All.
11:34:05 From Dave Kissoondoyal - Mauritius : Thanks and bye to all
11:34:06 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you all!
11:34:08 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : thanks bye
11:34:08 From Gisella Gruber : Thank you all for attending this session!
11:34:09 From avri doria to All panelists : Thanks for a great session
11:34:14 From Christa Taylor : Thanks all
11:34:14 From Maureen Hilyard - ALAC : Thanks Jonathan and Olivier.. great session Justine and other presenters
11:34:14 From Hanan Khatib to All panelists : thsnk you alll
11:34:14 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : thank you all
11:34:16 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : bye
11:34:16 From Matthias M. Hudobnik to All panelists : great session!
11:34:16 From Alberto Soto to All panelists : Thanks, bye!!
