Zoom chat: 2020-07-08 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

15:37:05 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group Call taking place on Wednesday, 08 July 2020 at 13:00 UTC.
15:37:16 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/XYRIC
15:48:08 From Shannon Oblinger : Hello!
15:48:43 From Shannon Oblinger : Could I have Captioning please, Yesim.
15:49:38 From Shannon Oblinger : Hello!
15:50:25 From Shannon Oblinger : Thank you :)
15:50:47 From Yesim Nazlar : you’re welcome
15:55:22 From Priyatosh Jana : hi everyone
15:56:55 From Evin Erdogdu : Hello all, welcome.
15:57:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Hi all
15:57:25 From Yesim Nazlar : We will have RTT service provided on today’s call.
15:57:26 From Yesim Nazlar : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
16:00:18 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Hello everyone
16:00:42 From Aris Ignacio : Hello and good day everyone!
16:01:12 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Edmon Chung is cited in this article about hong Kong : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/hong-kong-security-law-tech.html
16:02:01 From Javier Rúa-Jovet : Hi 2 @All
16:02:17 From Lilian Ivette : Hi Javier and to all
16:02:31 From Yesim Nazlar : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
16:03:55 From Javier Rúa-Jovet : Our first call with a Multistakeholder Excellence Award Recipient Presiding!
16:04:37 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : <blush> :-)
16:05:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : :-)
16:06:18 From Javier Rúa-Jovet : LOL
16:12:16 From Filina Natalia : Hello everyone! apologize for the delay
16:12:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Counci is discussing but not resolving matters yet
16:13:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : However the intention is to end the EPDP process
16:13:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : as outlined by Hadia
16:13:25 From hadia Elminiawi : https://community.icann.org/display/EOTSFGRD/g.+Draft+Final+Report+-+Phase+2?preview=/132940331/140247984/EPDP%20Phase%202%20Final%20Report%20-%20clean%20with%20line%20numbers%20-%205%20July%202020.pdf
16:14:02 From Joanna Kulesza : Not sure there is any foreseeable end to the EPDP @Ed.;)
16:15:29 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Thanks
16:16:43 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : No phase 3 please
16:21:26 From Jonathan Zuck : Amazing work!
16:21:27 From hadia Elminiawi : Yes the EPDP Phase II is over end of July
16:21:58 From Holly Raiche : Thanks - and Ed -EPDP may finish - but not the issues.
16:22:42 From Abdulkarim oloyede : thank you
16:23:04 From Holly Raiche : “timely”????
16:23:34 From Vanda Scartezini : hi all sorry to enter late was in another meeting.
16:23:50 From Alan Greenberg : Sorry to be late. Unexpected issue to deal with.
16:24:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it has been a HUGE effort!
16:25:14 From Sarah Kiden : Great work, Alan and Hadia!
16:25:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and it is NOT the intention to ignore or not deal with the outstanding matters raised by Alan and Hadiis et.al
16:25:37 From Judith Hellerstein : yes great work by Alan and Hadia
16:25:50 From Holly Raiche : Alan and Hadia should get a Victoria Cross for bravery
16:26:49 From betty Fausta : good job!
16:27:02 From Vanda Scartezini : good idea Holly!
16:27:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes @Alan
16:28:18 From hadia Elminiawi : +1 Alan our agreement must be conditional
16:28:57 From Vanda Scartezini : Agree Hadia. needs to be conditional
16:30:09 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Good job @Alan and @Hadia
16:30:49 From Holly Raiche : That needs to depart of our response
16:31:00 From Holly Raiche : Sorry - needs to be a part...
16:31:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : There IS an end in sight for SubPro :-)
16:32:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Correct still our intention (before ned of July
16:34:07 From Alberto Soto : Dear, I must withdraw from our call. My wife needs bandwidth for a course she is teaching. Sorry.Bye!
16:35:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : bye @Alberto
16:37:25 From Vanda Scartezini : bueno ver que estas bien Alberto
16:38:38 From hadia Elminiawi : Sorry but I shall need to excuse myself for another meeting
16:39:22 From Alan Greenberg : BTW, the EPDP had held 119 meetings, typically 2 hours each, 12 days of F2F, extended meetings at 5 ICANN meetings, plus innumerable small group meetings to address specific issues.
16:39:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks @Hadia
16:39:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : SPIRT
16:40:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : a Standing IRT
16:40:15 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : @Alan: goodness gracious, that's a lot of discussions for the EPDP
16:40:46 From Lutz Donnerhacke : Sorry, I'm late. Urgent customer meeting overlapped
16:40:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes @OCL the term "heroic"applies
16:42:42 From Alan Greenberg : Calculating hours, number of people and a relatively reasonable hourly rate, that is $2,000,000 just for the time at meetings.
16:43:44 From Justine Chew : We aren't talking about Community Applications
16:45:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : SubPro has also interacted iwh listened to and takein into account this input as well By The Way
16:46:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Exactly #Justine … well noted
16:46:38 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : @Alan: The number of days/hours translate (roughly) to a full time job done in 3 month .
16:46:45 From Jonathan Zuck : They look good!
16:48:05 From Holly Raiche : The CCT report admitted there weren’t metrics to test customer satisfaction
16:49:57 From Jonathan Zuck : Actually, Holly, the CCT recommended metrics for consumer trust
16:50:09 From Roberto : @Ed and @Alan - how can a 3 mo. full time job equate to $3M?
16:50:28 From Roberto : Anyway, it’s a huge effort and a huge requirement of resources
16:50:32 From Jonathan Zuck : I guess we’ll be making submissions to the IRT
16:51:04 From Holly Raiche : @ JZ - yes they did so maybe they should be adopted - and used
16:51:37 From Holly Raiche : Agree with Alan on that
16:51:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : The Report will be awash with Implementation Guidance
16:51:57 From Bill Jouris : That's always the problem: those with a financial interest end up being the largest part of the groups making decisions.
16:52:14 From Holly Raiche : What is ‘implementation’ can feel like ‘policy’
16:52:49 From Priyatosh Jana : sorry have to run for another meeting...
16:53:10 From Priyatosh Jana : bye everyone
16:53:13 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : SPIRT is being specifically designed to trigger an *If it is policy( it goes out again to the proper public facing Policy Process Ho;;y
16:53:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : @Holly
16:53:45 From Jonathan Zuck : Indeed
16:53:54 From Holly Raiche : Thanks CLO
16:55:35 From Holly Raiche : The small team’s job?
16:55:57 From Holly Raiche : And lots of metrics were proposed ages ago
16:56:03 From Holly Raiche : Yes - me
16:56:22 From Maureen Hilyard : Sorry people, leaving for a community meeting about future ICANN meetings.
16:56:30 From Jonathan Zuck : Happy to help with metrics recommendations
16:56:52 From Holly Raiche : @ JZ - did you have a look at what was proposed AGES ago?
16:56:55 From Marita Moll : Justine -- I will try to help although I would need to be paired with someone who has deeper knowledge of how this could go.
16:57:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : At top of the hour I will (and @Javier) need to attend the SubPro LT call as well
16:57:17 From Satish Babu : Have to join another meeting...bye for now...
16:57:50 From Jonathan Zuck : @Holly, I think we need to prioritize heavily but we can come up with some recommendations.
16:58:07 From Tijani : I have to leave at the top of the hour
16:58:48 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Need to move to another meeting.
16:59:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thx @Justine!!!
16:59:13 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Thanks @Justice
16:59:18 From betty Fausta : good bye all
16:59:36 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Thanks @Justine
16:59:47 From Jonathan Zuck : This one is FOUR years so the EPDP IS expedited!
16:59:50 From Holly Raiche : @ JZ - let’s start with the list - and pick those most likely to measure trust/choice
17:00:16 From Justine Chew : I would ask that folks go through the other SubPro presentations at their convenience.
17:00:54 From Vanda Scartezini : as allays Justine listen to you is fundamental to follow more deeply the work done in the WG.
17:07:10 From Javier Rúa-Jovet : Subpro leadership call; must go. @Apologies (late already!)
17:07:18 From Javier Rúa-Jovet : Thx @JZuck!
17:09:46 From Marita Moll : That's right Alan. I don't think there is any clarity here
17:10:04 From Bill Jouris : So, do we create a list of geonames, and then if someone not-a-community asks for one of those we go to the relevant community to see if they care?
17:15:29 From Alan Greenberg : `@Roberto/Eduardo, I wasn't calculating MY cost, but the team. About 30 people attended meetings (not counting staff).
17:19:12 From Dave Kissoondoyal : How to notify cities?
17:19:19 From Roberto : @Alan - got it
17:20:33 From Dave Kissoondoyal : +1 @Alan
17:26:08 From Alan Greenberg : I wonder to what extent warning to (for example) other cities named Montreal would end up backfiring and we would have the Montreal in Canada not being able to register because of arbitrary objections.
17:27:58 From Jonathan Zuck : www.geonames.org
17:28:01 From Justine Chew : Paris is NOT a good example because Paris is the capital city of France, and capital city names are subject to preventive protection. Paris, France trumps all the other Paris cities around the world in ICANNspeak.
17:31:09 From Justine Chew : @jonathan, the Small Team is planning to present on the WT5 report next week, so we should see how the poll can be interpreted for that presentation.
17:31:51 From Jonathan Zuck : Certainly, @Justine
17:32:36 From Yesim Nazlar : Hi Claudia
17:32:41 From christopher wilkinson : @Greg - ICANN is used to dealing with very large numbewrs in other respects…
17:32:44 From Evin Erdogdu : Noted
17:36:30 From hadia Elminiawi : @Jonathan the UA session
17:36:54 From Jonathan Zuck : Oh right, @Hadia. Sorry about that!
17:37:01 From Jonathan Zuck : Rushing too much
17:37:09 From hadia Elminiawi : yes I know
17:37:21 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : we'll go through the hands up after Yrjö
17:37:23 From Judith Hellerstein : some people still had their hands up about the earlier topics
17:37:47 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : just need to have Yrjö's topic on the cards and people can respond to both earlier points and Yrjö's request
17:37:52 From Evin Erdogdu : The Consensus Playbook was updated and can be downloaded here: http://go.icann.org/consensus (also on At-Large PDP 3.0 Workspace)
17:38:12 From Dave Kissoondoyal : We are going to have the agenda priorhand
17:40:24 From Jonathan Zuck : Might be worthy of discussion by the OFBWG
17:41:42 From Judith Hellerstein : yes. i read them in the chat but did not see the vitriol you mentioned but i also say we should discuss this more
17:42:20 From Jonathan Zuck : In a smaller group, is where we’ll resave this without all of the trolls
17:42:28 From Judith Hellerstein : I was watching the repeat of it
17:42:48 From Jonathan Zuck : Agenda for a PSWG call
17:42:49 From Alan Greenberg : I have to go...
17:44:12 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Thanks and bye to all
17:44:17 From Jonathan Zuck : Thanks all
17:44:24 From Aris Ignacio : Thank you very much for this..
17:44:28 From Evin Erdogdu : Thanks all!
17:44:29 From Judith Hellerstein : and the captioners as wekk
17:44:31 From Hanan Khatib : thank you
17:44:32 From Filina Natalia : thank all! bye!
17:44:33 From Judith Hellerstein : well
17:44:44 From Roberto : Bye