Zoom chat: 2020-06-03 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

15:36:57 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group Call taking place on Wednesday, 03 June 2020 at 13:00 UTC.
15:37:10 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/_QQdC
15:50:14 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
15:50:36 From Michel TCHONANG : Hi everyone
15:53:33 From Evin Erdoğdu : Welcome all
15:56:08 From Holly Raiche : Why is the timer on my screen?
15:58:47 From Vanda Scartezini : Hi everyone, my mic is not working so I will enter again
16:00:15 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Hello everyone
16:00:43 From Vanda Scartezini : hi again. back
16:01:40 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : we hear you beautifully
16:03:26 From Yesim Nazlar : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
16:04:59 From Jonathan Zuck : But NONE of those are fixed. The MAIN heading of “Workgroup Updates” will be fixed but which ones are reporting in/asking for help will vary from week to week.
16:06:28 From Vanda Scartezini : we lost
16:09:30 From Alan Greenberg : Homework assignments are due Friday 5 June (seehttps://community.icann.org/x/K4LsBw for updated recommendations andhttps://community.icann.org/x/Hi6JBw for priority 2 discussion tables)
16:10:01 From Justine Chew : Can't. I have homework for SubPro. :)
16:10:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : :-)
16:10:34 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Good to hear some optimism @Alan
16:13:09 From Dave Kissoondoyal : https://community.icann.org/display/EOTSFGRD/g.+Draft+Final+Report+-+Phase+2
16:16:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Vanda and Daniel are here as well
16:16:47 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : hello everyone
16:17:00 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : And Leon is also here
16:17:19 From Jonathan Zuck : Exactly!
16:20:29 From Vanda Scartezini : yes and Leon was a great active member of ATRT3
16:20:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Ahh Yes indeed León the Board appointed him to replace Maarten part way through :-)
16:20:43 From Holly Raiche : What are we saying about public input?
16:20:48 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Do the recommendations have any priority rule
16:20:49 From Holly Raiche : Okay
16:21:05 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Don't rush to much for the interpretors SeB
16:21:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes they do Dave as you will see in each slide
16:22:00 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Thanks @Chreyl
16:22:10 From Dave Kissoondoyal : sorry Cheryl
16:22:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : It is the shanges to the Organisational and some of the Specifcis (to become a Holistis one) that are most vital
16:22:48 From Marita Moll : the wholistic review was something we were asking for as part of our response to the evolution of the multistakeholder system
16:23:15 From Justine Chew : Wow. No wonder we're exhausted.
16:25:05 From Holly Raiche : Why Low Input?
16:25:07 From Dave Kissoondoyal : It lasts till December 2036
16:26:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Because todays ICANN is very differentto when ATRT2 ran @Holly
16:26:11 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : (question) why public input is low priority ?
16:30:14 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : understood
16:30:36 From Sébastien Bachollet : @Dave it is not ending it is more the end of the page and I am sure that after 2 holistic reviews et 2 new ATRT a lot will have changes
16:30:44 From Sarah Kiden : Hi all, apologies for joining late. Was attending a work call
16:31:05 From Vanda Scartezini : Nadira - the change proposed - little one is not top priority
16:31:13 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : As all 5 of us can attest this was a HUGE piece of work and in my view *very well done indeed!*
16:31:25 From Jonathan Zuck : Excellent!
16:31:46 From Hadia Elminiawi : Justine you have a lot of time today :-)
16:31:50 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : good move @Vanda
16:31:51 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Thanks for the clarification @Sebatien
16:31:56 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : Congratulations are in order for the ATRT3 Team - and this should be reflected in the ALAC response
16:31:59 From Hadia Elminiawi : yes
16:32:01 From Vanda Scartezini : yes tough but a pleasant work due the group and the leadership team
16:32:03 From Herb Waye : I have to drop out for a bit… I may get back in time for the end. All the best everyone.
16:32:12 From Dave Kissoondoyal : +1 Olivier
16:45:41 From Jonathan Zuck : Precisely!
16:47:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : This could constitutespecific Implementation Guidance of course
16:48:29 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes, @Cheryl. That’s probably our biggest op at the moment
16:48:34 From Javier Rua-Jovet : +1 @Marita
16:49:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : And I would go sa for as to suggest the most effective point of enduring influence @JZ
16:49:56 From Holly Raiche : We questioned the definition of community in the AGB
16:50:48 From Jonathan Zuck : Indeed @Cheryl. This is why we’ve begun to talk about “position” development in the CPWG because the venues in which ti evangelize our positions vary.
16:51:08 From Holly Raiche : Okay thanks
16:51:51 From Javier Rua-Jovet : I thought it was a Q by Marita, not Holly... did I miss something?
16:54:57 From Marita Moll : Having community experts on that panel will help mitigate this problem
16:55:25 From Holly Raiche : +1 @ Marita
16:55:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Heading into my weekly SubPro Leadership Team call (this meeting always overlaps the LT or SubPro Plenary calls) now, I am staying here as well but splitting my attention. Forgive any delay in response but you have my right brain.
16:56:23 From Jonathan Zuck : Seems like a good suggestion. No Star Chambers!
16:56:25 From Alfredo Calderon : Apologies for leaving at the top of the hour. Another meeting taking place.
16:56:43 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : yes
16:59:21 From Holly Raiche : This issue is critical
16:59:46 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : +1 Holly
17:00:04 From Marita Moll : Should be our line in the sand.
17:00:33 From Marita Moll : We need some change in the panel composition
17:00:40 From Javier Rua-Jovet : excuses, jumping out to another
17:02:07 From Jonathan Zuck : Wow, did Justine just get a lot louder for everyone else?
17:02:16 From Alan Greenberg : Bad sound
17:03:32 From Judith Hellerstein : sound is fien for me
17:03:38 From Judith Hellerstein : *fine
17:04:58 From Vanda Scartezini : i am hear Justine
17:05:06 From Aris Ignacio : Sound is good on my end
17:05:07 From Hadia Elminiawi : and did the recording stop?
17:05:32 From Vanda Scartezini : I was hearing you all the time - just
17:05:32 From Satish Babu : Still can hear you...
17:05:33 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : It was strange for those of us on Adigo -- slowed down down down until a full stop.
17:05:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : The recording stopped message was about a min back
17:05:56 From Vanda Scartezini : you are
17:06:02 From Hadia Elminiawi : @cheryl yes
17:06:03 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : yes it was around that time
17:06:08 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : only those on the bridge could not hear
17:06:11 From Vanda Scartezini : just continue in my view f- go ahead
17:06:12 From Holly Raiche : What we heard was an announcement that the recording had stopped - but that was only about 1 or 2 minutes before Yesim stopped
17:07:00 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : @Judith another advantage of the transcript
17:07:03 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : 3 minutes ago I notified Staff that the Adigo line was acting up
17:07:12 From Judith Hellerstein : The third one is that the possibility of revamping the scoring scale and also the threshold prevail. Okay? We found basically that there were a lot of interlinkages between criteria and subcriteria in the sense that if you fail in one subcriteria, you automatically fail in the subcriteria, which is strange because there is a biased carried over, which should not be the case.
17:07:14 From Hadia Elminiawi : +1 Nadira
17:07:19 From Jonathan Zuck : Oh my stars, @Vanda!
17:07:19 From Vanda Scartezini : we are connected to ZOOM
17:07:30 From Anne-Marie Joly : no sound on adigo in French
17:07:59 From Judith Hellerstein : Yes Adigo lines have dropped
17:08:08 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : Apologies everyone we need to wait until Adigo starts again
17:08:18 From Vanda Scartezini : yeah let’s go on
17:09:31 From Yesim Nazlar : IMPORTANT - ADIGO is still NOT able to get connected to Zoom. And the interpreters can interpret ONLY using the phone bridge
17:10:30 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : please do report to the technical team
17:10:34 From Dave Kissoondoyal : We cannot continue without interpretation as it would be prejudicial to the French and Spanish members
17:10:46 From Judith Hellerstein : Can in future we try to use the interpreters feature in zoom
17:10:46 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : it happened in another meeting as well
17:11:03 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : usually at the top of the hour
17:11:18 From Judith Hellerstein : that way we can do this through zoom and not adigo
17:11:26 From Jonathan Zuck : We could make sure FR and ES recordings are created after the meeting?
17:11:32 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes, @Judith
17:11:39 From Dave Kissoondoyal : ok great
17:14:49 From Betty Fausta : après on s'étonne du verrouillage du système
17:17:48 From Holly Raiche : The proposed changes would certainly help the issue
17:20:01 From Jonathan Zuck : Exactly. I think you’ve captured our discussions well!
17:20:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : yup
17:20:43 From Jonathan Zuck : Unconventional Applicants. Is one of our big ICANN68. sessions
17:21:29 From Marita Moll : like the world wide community of knitters or model railroad builders
17:21:29 From Holly Raiche : @ JZ - maybe incorporate some of Justine’s proposed language for discussion - e.g., what is aa community, what are the tests
17:22:00 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : yes for lowering the threshold to CPE
17:22:07 From Jonathan Zuck : For SURE @Holly. I”m sure OCL is taking great notes…oh wait, he has RTT to rely on!
17:22:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I think 12/16 can work
17:22:22 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes. lower
17:22:50 From Yrjo Lansipuro : 12/16 would be OK
17:22:52 From Gordon Chillcott : I agree with 12/16
17:22:55 From Liz Orembo : I also agree to lowering the threshold.
17:23:03 From Holly Raiche : One of the biggest issues for the law and layers - what is ‘reasonable’
17:23:54 From Hadia Elminiawi : 12 seems good but then do we really know
17:24:31 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : maybe historical data might not be good enough because things are changed now
17:25:07 From Eduardo Díaz - NARALO : If ALAC is presenting any of this should be presented from the end-user perspective.. i.e what effect whatever has on the end-user (no the applicants)
17:25:17 From Marita Moll : 14 seems pretty high
17:26:16 From Marita Moll : @Eduard -- no else is speaking for community? I think that is part of our role.
17:26:36 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : @Ed, we need technical person from ALAC to evaluate
17:28:01 From christopher wilkinson : Have to leave the call mow
17:28:08 From christopher wilkinson : Now.
17:28:24 From Eduardo Díaz - NARALO : @Marita: So if we are speaking community how that affects the end-user? End-user are not necessarily registrants or registries
17:29:04 From Eduardo Díaz - NARALO : @Nadira: I am not sure what you mean
17:30:22 From Vanda Scartezini : agree with Alan points we need to take care lowering too much
17:31:21 From Alan Greenberg : I think we ARE moving in the right direction. The only concern is if we are going too far (I suspect not, but just raising the flag).
17:31:40 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : @Ed their is technical evaluations in the application. an ALAC member doesn’t understand this issue will do harm
17:32:38 From Vanda Scartezini : ok
17:32:42 From Marita Moll : I think we should move forward with these excellent proposals. I agree with Jonathan. Others will push back
17:33:06 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Excellent progress @Justine! Thanks
17:33:08 From Hadia Elminiawi : Thanks Justine
17:33:36 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : I need to drop
17:33:40 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : thanks everyone
17:33:44 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : Great update Justine!
17:33:50 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : talk to you all soon!
17:33:53 From Hadia Elminiawi : Bye Leon
17:34:25 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Good bye Leon
17:35:08 From Vanda Scartezini : thanks again Justine - as I said in other meetings is more relevant to hear from you so structured presentation than participating in the regular call for New gTLD meetings
17:35:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thx León
17:35:23 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : thanks Justine
17:35:41 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : thanks Evin
17:37:55 From Marita Moll : @ed -- I think communities are the place where end-users come together to use the internet to represent their combined interests as a group. So, something in between. It is a debate worth having.
17:37:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Keep trying @JZ
17:38:30 From Hadia Elminiawi : I shall coordinate with Barrcak
17:38:59 From Hadia Elminiawi : *Barrack
17:40:23 From Dave Kissoondoyal : 10th June at 1900 UTC
17:40:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now then... Thanks everyone!
17:40:49 From Hadia Elminiawi : Thank you all bye
17:40:58 From Dave Kissoondoyal : Thanks and bye to all
17:41:01 From Vanda Scartezini : thanks to all for the meeting and have a great weak. stay safe
17:41:02 From Satish Babu : Thanks and bye!
17:41:05 From Gordon Chillcott : Thanksand bye for now.
17:41:05 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Gremlina
17:41:06 From Jaewon Son : thank you!
17:41:07 From Aris Ignacio : thanks a lot! stay safe everyone..
17:41:08 From Marita Moll : thanks -- bye all
17:41:18 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you