Zoom chat: 2020-05-27 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

11:55:29 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
11:55:32 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome to the CPWG Call
11:57:11 From Joanna Kulesza : HI all!
11:58:41 From Matthias M. Hudobnik : hello all ;-)
11:58:49 From vandascartezini : hi everyone ! hope everybody is going well
11:59:15 From Joanna Kulesza : This is the added value of ICANN calls @Holly.
11:59:22 From vandascartezini : we are watching in the other screen
11:59:54 From vandascartezini : will take around 1.5 hours till the launch
12:00:14 From Herb Waye : Hey I just joined… what’s wrong with 1960… It was a great year
12:01:03 From SpaceX : Yes, @Herb 1960 WAS indeed a great year…
12:01:33 From Bill Jouris : When IDN comes to mean Interstellar Domain Names, defining the repertoire is going to be a nightmare!
12:02:07 From SpaceX : Soon we’ll be debating the .org acquisition by Musk!
12:02:35 From Herb Waye : we watched Musk’s satellite train go by in the sky a few weeks ago… pretty awesome… about 30 satellites one following the other
12:02:42 From Bill Jouris : Musk will want .com! And might well do it better....
12:03:41 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Hi all!
12:04:00 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : audio
12:04:05 From Sébastien Bachollet : Herb is not from staff
12:04:25 From Claudia Ruiz : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
12:04:29 From Betty Fausta : hi all. missed best part
12:05:00 From vandascartezini : Betty, sure
12:05:01 From Herb Waye : I guess I’m more of an observer
12:05:25 From vandascartezini : Herb welcome as always
12:05:33 From Sébastien Bachollet : Herb is running IOO ;)
12:05:34 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Indeed!
12:08:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Just noting my (maintained( regrets that the SubPro Agenda items are running (as they often do) while the clash in overlap with SubPro WG or in todays and every second weeks case) the Leadership Team call is also on... there is clash and there is truly regrettable clashes
12:10:22 From Sébastien Bachollet : Alan and Hadia, can you tel us something about this?
12:10:25 From Sébastien Bachollet : http://domainincite.com/25549-is-icann-chickening-out-of-whois-access-role
12:11:54 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : hi everyone
12:12:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Hola @Sergio
12:13:43 From Hadia Elminiawi : Hello all
12:13:55 From Hadia Elminiawi : sorry for joining late
12:15:05 From SpaceX : Yes, thank you CW
12:17:07 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : hi @Cheryl!
12:18:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Good luck indeed!
12:18:14 From Hadia Elminiawi : yes we are - 2 calls per week
12:19:44 From Heidi Ullrich : On the PTI strategy draft statement, there will be a 48 hour call for comments
12:21:08 From Evin Erdoğdu : ICANN68 At-Large Policy Sessions:
➢ PICS and PICDRP: How to Get Them Right? | Monday, 22 June @ 10:00-11:30 KL
➢ DNS Abuse, COVID-19 and End User Issues | Monday, 22 June @ 13:30-14:30 KL
➢ New gTLD Applicants: Expanding the Circle | Tuesday, 23 June @ 15:00-16:30 KL
➢ DNS Abuse: Setting an Acceptable Threshold | Wednesday, 24 June @ 10:00-11:30 KL
➢ At-Large Internal: Activating on Universal Acceptance | Thursday, 25 June @ 10:30-12:00 KL
12:27:20 From Holly Raiche : My apologies - My computer decided to cut me off so I’ve missed about 5 minutes of this meeting
12:28:26 From Roberto : +1 CW
12:29:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Please be aware that the aims of the SubPro PDP are clearly outlined and not intended to be reflected in the titles to this HOWEVER Predictability is a key and overarching objective for ALL involved
12:32:10 From Justine Chew : YEs
12:34:31 From Holly Raiche : @JZ - Did you want to mention that the draft response to the draft PTI Strategic Plan has been done and discussed with the Operations $ Finance meeting - and will be open for a short comment period before being submitted
12:34:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : We covered that earlier @Holly
12:35:09 From SpaceX Zuck : https://www.loomio.org/d/kb2W7PmS/universal-acceptance
12:35:29 From Holly Raiche : Thanks CLO - part of what I missed
12:35:42 From christopher wilkinson : @CLO I notice PDOP ‘predictability’ for incumbents and lip service for everyone else.
12:39:11 From Holly Raiche : The root zone delegation is one of the issues raised by the PTI - and their comment on their enhanced rule with the increased number of names in the root zone
12:39:31 From Holly Raiche : (sorry - enhanced ROLE)
12:43:45 From Eduardo Diaz : How is the end-user affected by this?
12:44:36 From Eduardo Diaz : ISn’t this teh remit of the ssac?
12:44:45 From vandascartezini : yes, stability can be affected with a concentration of delegation /period of time
12:46:13 From christopher wilkinson : @Eduardo Stability of the Root Servers is fundamental for ALL user interests,
12:46:38 From Holly Raiche : @ Vanda - one of the issued raised in general terms in the PTI Stat Plan
12:47:28 From Roberto : It’s like the Coronavirus effect - if you allow me the example - what is creating the ultimate crisis is not the number of affected people but the concentration in a short period of time of critical cases, that makes hospitals go overloaded - in summary, not the quantity but the concentration, the peak. Same for DNS delegations
12:49:26 From Alberto Soto : Question: If the rate is 5% monthly, in one year we would reach 60% of the 1,000 annual delegations estimated in 2012. Question
12:50:09 From Holly Raiche : It’s on the SSAC site under their publications
12:50:09 From Matthias M. Hudobnik : yes please that would be great :-)
12:50:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it is SSAC 095
12:50:54 From Matthias M. Hudobnik : https://xn--i-7iq.ws/
12:51:02 From Matthias M. Hudobnik : this one
12:51:48 From Matthias M. Hudobnik : for example
12:53:01 From Roberto : As it was for the wildcard. SSAC banned it, this was enforced on .com, but some ccTLD continued using it and ICANN could not do anything
12:53:21 From Roberto : @Olivier, the above was response to you
12:53:43 From Holly Raiche : I assume that is because it would be up to the CC registry to deal with them?
12:54:21 From Roberto : Th bottom line is that ccTLDs do not act under contract with ICANN
12:54:48 From Roberto : SO ICANN has no power to enforce anything
12:55:22 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : yes -- but if SSAC and RSSAC are banning Emojis under all gTLDs for stability reasons, then would they have the ability to ban them in ccTLDs?
12:55:48 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : Because they could argue Emojis endanger the stability of the DNS as a whole?
12:55:48 From Roberto : @OCL IMHO, no
12:56:11 From Roberto : Also the wildcard was endangering the system as a whole, but…
12:56:34 From ALEJANDRO PISANTY BARUCH : They may not be able to enforceably ban them but still have a strong recommendation against; and some organizations may choose to NOT resolve emojis
12:57:07 From SpaceX Zuck : That’s a good summary. People used .HOME for InTRAnets and when they opened to the outside world, collisions occurred
12:58:02 From Roberto : @Alx true, but it will not be an optimal solution
13:00:29 From Alberto Soto : SAC 095 Emojis; https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-095-en.pdf
13:01:46 From ALEJANDRO PISANTY BARUCH : @Roberto yep, it actually may make things worse to have unpredictable, non-uniform resolution than none or all
13:02:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I put it in at the time of the question but...
13:02:09 From Eduardo Diaz : This seem to be under the remit of SSAC and RSSAC.Just curious as to where we are going with this.
13:02:15 From ALEJANDRO PISANTY BARUCH : Name Collisions are a real serious issue, insidious even if not massive
13:03:06 From ALEJANDRO PISANTY BARUCH : At Large users are most likely to be running small or home offices and companies, lacking IT resources, ergo more likely to hit a snag with a name collision, and then also more likely not to know what to do
13:04:41 From SpaceX Zuck : True, @Alejandro
13:04:51 From Eduardo Diaz : @Alejandro: And how ALAC can help in this respect?
13:05:10 From SpaceX Zuck : Another outreach opportunity, for sure
13:05:49 From Matthias M. Hudobnik : thx alberto for the link!
13:06:22 From Roberto : @Ed by helping establishing rules and enforcing them - the wild west is the worst scenario for the small guys
13:07:07 From Eduardo Diaz : @Roberto; thanks
13:07:52 From Alberto Soto : @Matthias,you are welcome
13:08:04 From Roberto : Of course, education might help @Ed but how can ALAC have a worldwide massive education plan with little resources?
13:08:44 From SpaceX Zuck : My guess is that there are those who want to apply for home and mail that might be willing to spend some money helping us with our outreach...
13:09:16 From SpaceX Zuck : But, at the very least, we could get materials out through our ALS members. We need to really get the rust out of these communication channels
13:10:16 From Roberto : @JZ the risk is that we will be seen as colluding with parties who are the root cause of the problem, creating the collision in first place - dangerous, methinks
13:10:47 From Eduardo Diaz : @SZ: Do you mean material regarding name collision? This do not suppose to happen to start with.
13:11:27 From SpaceX Zuck : @Roberto, I guess I’m less worried about that. If the topic of our outreach is to get folks to change their intranet namespace, that’s good regardless of who funds it
13:12:07 From Roberto : @JZ you might have a point here
13:12:09 From Greg Shatan : I’ve just joined from the NCAP call.
13:12:19 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : IMHO there is very little chance that folks will change their intranet workspace, apart from natural obsolescence
13:14:18 From Greg Shatan : hands up
13:15:41 From SpaceX Zuck : Then @Olivier we should just prohibit the use of .NAME and .HOME forever. That doesn’t seem like a workable option.
13:16:34 From vandascartezini : already vote on 1 since we need to support the continuation of the studies
13:16:37 From Alberto Soto : Dear, I must leave the meeting, thank you. Bye
13:17:52 From Marita Moll : +1 @Greg & Alan
13:18:11 From Roberto : @JZ we reserve hundreds of names, if not thousands, like geo names, why can’t we reserve .home and .name?
13:18:33 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : I must withdraw, I apologize
13:18:39 From Hadia Elminiawi : +1 to option 1 and the studies
13:18:47 From vandascartezini : totally agree
13:19:16 From vandascartezini : thanks Justine
13:21:08 From SpaceX Zuck : Exactly and, given there is no market demand for these strings, it’s an easy risk/reward calculation
13:22:01 From SpaceX Zuck : Indeed
13:22:14 From Eduardo Diaz : What about adding Universal Attendance to that.
13:22:41 From Roberto : @SpaceX image says Postponed?!
13:22:49 From SpaceX Zuck : @Eduardo, I think we ARE doing that.
13:23:13 From SpaceX Zuck : @Roberto, yes postponed for 3 days for weather
13:23:34 From vandascartezini : thanks for this great work Justine …
13:23:35 From Marita Moll : @Justine -- in agreement with your suggestions re subpro
13:24:20 From Judith Hellerstein : we are 6 minutes early. amazing
13:25:23 From Roberto : I think it was announced
13:25:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now then, and of course next weeks meeting will clash with (overlap) the full SubProWG one so take that into account re Agenda order for Justine et.al.
13:26:25 From vandascartezini : good reminder Cheryl
13:27:13 From Herb Waye : stay safe everyone… nice to hear your voices
13:27:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks Herb you too!
13:27:44 From Chokri ben romdhane : thank you all
13:27:54 From Justine Chew : I will send a reminder on the list also
13:27:55 From Marita Moll : Oh dear, better send out a reminder of where it is
13:28:08 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Thank you! bye bye!
13:28:10 From Hadia Elminiawi : Bye all
13:28:17 From Heidi Ullrich : A new record :)
13:28:18 From SpaceX Zuck : We were given a hard out!
13:28:23 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : thanks and bye
13:28:23 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you
13:28:25 From vandascartezini : wonderful thanks for this productive meetings !!
13:28:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye
13:28:39 From Heidi Ullrich : Yes, due to the hurricane forming , the launch was delayed.
13:28:39 From Marita Moll : Thanks -- great presentations.
13:28:40 From Judith Hellerstein : bye
13:28:41 From Matthias M. Hudobnik : thx and bye ;-)
13:28:44 From Roberto : Bye
13:28:46 From SpaceX Zuck : And PLEASE join the loomio test www.loomio.org/atlarge
13:28:47 From Gordon Chillcott : Thanks and by for now
13:28:51 From Holly Raiche : Bye
13:28:58 From vandascartezini : stay safe!!
13:29:03 From Marcelo Rodriguez : BYE. GRACIAS
13:29:04 From Maureen Hilyard : Sorry I joined late.. but at least made it in time for Justines final session and poll :(
13:29:07 From Hadia Elminiawi : thanks