Zoom chat: 2020-05-27 ALS Mobilization Working Party Call

15:38:34 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to the ALS Mobilization Working Party Call taking place on Wednesday, 27 May 2020 at 13:00 UTC
15:38:46 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/EgIdC
16:03:30 From Amrita : Hi I have joined in from APAC
16:04:41 From Sarah Kiden : Please record me on the roll call
16:06:07 From Roberto : Sorry for the delay - I started the CPWG zoom instead and was waiting….
16:06:33 From Bastiaan Goslings : sorry, was in another meeting
16:07:08 From Heidi Ullrich : Noted Alan
16:08:42 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : yes
16:09:29 From Justine Chew : Good question @David
16:11:46 From Amrita Choudhury : many ALS may get funded by govt for a particular project
16:11:47 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : what about if they have 20% of government support
16:12:00 From Amrita Choudhury : that necessarily does not mean govt has control
16:13:09 From Roberto : Agree with David
16:13:16 From Jacqueline Morris : Funding sources do not mean control - for example government grants...
16:13:18 From Roberto : Assume they are honest
16:13:27 From Roberto : Then verify
16:13:55 From Jacqueline Morris : verification of funding - isn't at large getting very deep in the weeds here?
16:14:50 From Justine Chew : Just for information: the questions around funding are: a. What is the primary source, or sources, of funding for your Organization? (if unfunded/entirely voluntary simply indicate “N/A”): b. Is your organization mainly self-supporting and would not be dependent on ICANN funding for the day-to-day operations of the organization? c. Do you receive any funding from government agencies or for-profit entities? If so, please describe below and describe their involvement in the activities of the organization (if they so participate)
16:14:51 From Roberto : Sorry @jacqueline - I do not mean verify all cases, I mean to verify in case an alert is raised
16:15:09 From Amrita Choudhury : We should not ask about funding
16:15:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Ask is OK
16:15:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : but do Not verify
16:15:45 From David Mackey : agree
16:15:45 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome Helen Omoragbon - Could you please introduce yourself?
16:15:48 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : exactly, because getting Gov funding on project basis is ok
16:15:49 From Bastiaan Goslings : agree
16:15:52 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : agree
16:15:57 From Roberto : OK
16:15:57 From Sarah Kiden : Agree
16:16:03 From Amrita Choudhury : ok
16:16:40 From ali almeshal : hello all , sorry for being late , first day to office after eid holiday
16:18:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Again I see no need to verify this, ask is OK
16:18:05 From Jacqueline Morris : There is no need for that last requirement
16:18:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Agree ED
16:18:15 From Amrita Choudhury : Agree
16:18:35 From Yrjo Lansipuro : Agree with Eduardo
16:18:53 From Bastiaan Goslings : yep, agree with Ed
16:19:01 From Judith Hellerstein : Are you checking if they are real people
16:19:15 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Apparently nobody here know what this is needed for
16:19:27 From Justine Chew : What are the chances that the application is "coming" from "leaders of phantom members"?
16:19:38 From David Mackey : Let’s change the wording to be more specific
16:19:47 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Eliminate
16:20:05 From Sarah Kiden : We should keep the item but change the wording as David says
16:20:58 From Justine Chew : Tie it to the need for application being acknowledged by the leadership of the applicant.
16:21:32 From Amrita Choudhury : Agree there should be a time period
16:22:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : 90 is a LONG time for DD
16:23:16 From Heidi Ullrich : Might it be useful to note that if there are extenuating circumstances, the time taken might need to exceed the 90 days total?
16:23:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : if you can't do it in 45 well hmmm
16:23:29 From Jacqueline Morris : Agreed, Cheryl
16:23:43 From Justine Chew : or even 30
16:24:08 From Jacqueline Morris : It's not DD for a Board member...
16:24:09 From Ali AlMeshal : Even with applicant we should have a time for their response , we cannot keep it open
16:28:03 From Helen Omoragbon : Thank you. This is Helen Omoragbon of Nurses Across tge Borders
16:32:05 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : use the word “can”
16:32:13 From Heidi Ullrich : “If necessary”
16:33:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : They ALL apply
16:33:32 From Ali AlMeshal : I agree with “If necessary”
16:34:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it is an If this happens then the following Must be the guardrails that are followed
16:34:23 From Justine Chew : secure method
16:34:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : GDocs won't work for example in some Regions
16:34:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it is the Nature of the tool
16:35:17 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Hi all! sorry I am very late, I was on another call
16:40:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : OK some possible language for new start of (a) … 'a. In the case where the documented practice of the RALO to share application documents and or detailed information, beyond its identified Leadership (ALAC Members, leadership council as appropriate etc.,) as well as others deemed to be part of …. '
16:41:31 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : RALO board and leadership, elected members and ex officio members who complement the Board
16:41:54 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : supplement*
16:43:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I see EDs point
16:43:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : email thw link not the actual material
16:43:57 From Jacqueline Morris : "restricted shared document" instead of "wiki"
16:44:32 From Justine Chew : Just don't make it easy for ANYONE to share documents
16:44:32 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Exactly
16:44:32 From Judith Hellerstein : I agree with Eduardo
16:44:35 From Jacqueline Morris : Yes.
16:44:45 From Justine Chew : as i said before, secure method
16:44:51 From Amrita Choudhury : Agree with Cheryl
16:44:53 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : No trust
16:44:53 From Ali AlMeshal : link is better Not email
16:44:57 From Sarah Kiden : We’ve been using email but that can change. A restricted wiki or other secure method sounds better
16:44:57 From liz Orembo : email should go.
16:45:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : ED I gather use of emails is for the link as you suggested
16:45:36 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : wiki link access by email
16:47:04 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : I suggest also to put Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) to receive the link to access applications.
16:47:18 From Sarah Kiden : Noted
16:47:54 From Peters Omoragbon : Yes
16:47:58 From Peters Omoragbon : I can
16:48:02 From David Mackey : His mute indicator is going on and off
16:49:39 From Peters Omoragbon : Can anyone hear any noise at the background from my end please
16:49:40 From Yesim Nazlar : @Peters - please let us know if you need a dial out. Your mic is unmuted, but we can’t hear you. Looks like you have a problem with your computer mic
16:49:57 From Peters Omoragbon : Pls dial out to me thank you
16:50:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : We hear nithing from your connection Peters
16:50:32 From Yesim Nazlar : noted Peters
16:50:34 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : nothing
16:50:38 From Peters Omoragbon : Dial out to me pls
16:50:49 From Yesim Nazlar : noted Peters
16:51:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Who beyind the identified Leadership and ALS Reps do you want to publish this to Natalia?
16:51:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : beyond
16:52:00 From Justine Chew : But that's covered by (b)
16:52:05 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : RALO leadership can request more information about application with ALS accredited/or key person opinion on country if the application came from the same country
16:52:44 From Yrjo Lansipuro : a. The RALO leadership, as defined above, shares the application documents with other members of the leadership body as constituted by the rules of the RALO.
16:52:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : IN APAC we could find one say political group block any opponants joining if we did that so NOT a good idea identified Reps and Leaders if one MUST but not rank and file
16:53:03 From Judith Hellerstein : A and B are equal. Alan is going to make sure that they are not consequtives
16:53:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes we all read your NOTICE
16:53:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : we are on such Notice
16:55:27 From Judith Hellerstein : @pastor peters, some of the regions include the ALAC members in their region in their regional leadership
16:55:45 From Justine Chew : We are suggesting that each RALO have some flexibility in dealing with applications.
16:55:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Indeed it is only meant to allow for some flexability
16:56:20 From Judith Hellerstein : I have a hard stop at the top of the hour
16:57:19 From Roberto : Me too
16:58:09 From Justine Chew : I support allowing each RALO to have some flexibility in dealing with applications.
16:58:11 From Roberto : Otherwise why do we have leaders?
16:58:14 From Amrita Choudhury : RALO leadership should have some discretion to decide on some issues
16:58:22 From Judith Hellerstein : I agree with justine
16:58:38 From David Mackey : I agree with Justine re: RALO flexibility
16:58:42 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Flexibility and the ability to decide within the RALO whose advice we can use, understanding the danger of specific local relationships and influences on the decision.
16:58:52 From Ali AlMeshal : Agree with Amrita
16:58:54 From Roberto : Agree with Justine
16:59:28 From Roberto : Bye - I have another call, sorry
16:59:33 From Judith Hellerstein : I have got to leave to another call
17:00:09 From Amrita Choudhury : If any ALS has some issue with a particular decision taken by a RALO leader you can ask for clarifications.
17:00:15 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : +1 Amrita and Justine
17:00:44 From Justine Chew : Exactly, @Cheryl.
17:00:51 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : agree @Amrita
17:01:06 From Amrita Choudhury : However RALO leadership has to be given this much of flexibility and authority to take decision
17:01:12 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : my question others apart RALO leadership will have the right to vote on application or just give their opinions
17:01:21 From Amrita Choudhury : in the interest of the RALO
17:01:39 From Ali AlMeshal : Yes Amrita , and that is why there is a leadership
17:01:43 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : agree @Cheryl
17:01:59 From Amrita Choudhury : agree Cheryl
17:02:09 From Jacqueline Morris : One of the points of having regional leadership is that the RALOs are able to function in the manner that suits the members and the culture best. We need to allow them the flexibility. However, we have the rules to manage the processes according to principles of transparency and openness and such.
17:02:58 From Ali AlMeshal : @Alan totally agree
17:03:06 From Peters Omoragbon : I shall respond to Cheryl next meeting
17:03:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : This documentation is a refinement of the overarching rules
17:03:34 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you
17:03:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : no pot Peters this should be a complement TO your intentions not a cut to it
17:03:35 From Jacqueline Morris : Thanks everyone. Bye
17:03:36 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : bye
17:03:36 From David Mackey : Thanks all. Bye
17:03:37 From Amrita Choudhury : thank you
17:03:38 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Thank you Alan! all