13:54:40 From Melissa Peters Allgood : Michelle - please let me know when I can test my video and audio
13:56:18 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
13:56:44 From Evin Erdoğdu : Good to “see" you Melissa :)
13:57:05 From Melissa Peters Allgood : Hi Evin!
13:57:37 From iPad Vanda Scartezini : hi everyone still in another call but I am listening
13:58:46 From Michelle DeSmyter : To follow along with RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
14:02:38 From Michelle DeSmyter : To follow along with RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
14:03:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Looking forward to this Melissa
14:04:20 From Michel TCHONANG : Hi everyone
14:04:33 From Sarah Kiden : Hi everyone
14:06:06 From Jonathan Zuck : Both in process
14:06:51 From Judith Hellerstein : Also we have some extra hours for RTT so if we need these for these single purpose calls let me know and we can check our count and see if we can provide it
14:06:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes we can
14:07:51 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Thanks @Jonathan :-)
14:09:16 From David Mackey : “unique” love it. :-)
14:12:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : indeed #David so we can assume 'polite terminology use' is important as a tool ;-) *not joking*
14:13:39 From iPad Vanda Scartezini : very good Melissa !
14:13:49 From Michelle DeSmyter : To follow along with RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
14:14:13 From iPad Vanda Scartezini : Icann presentation normally quite difficult to read for instance
14:15:13 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : That is where working with CoChairs often helps one taking one role the other managing presentation aspects
14:16:07 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : hi all, sorry for the delay
14:16:49 From Michelle DeSmyter to iPhone (Privately) : Hello, I see you just joined under the name “iPhone”, may I have your name for attendance purposes?
14:17:07 From Jonathan Zuck : Practice, practice, practice
14:18:06 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you @Melissa!
14:20:41 From Herb Waye : Yes I am here… hello everyone
14:21:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and always welcome @Herb
14:21:29 From Roberto : Would be nice to hear Herb’s opinion
14:21:32 From Jonathan Zuck : We used a facilitator during the NTIA multi-stakeholder pilot project
14:23:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : briefings are indeed needing to be differently designed and in approach than discourse and discussion/ development of consensus Good point @ Holly
14:24:31 From Abdulkarim oloyede : reservations
14:26:42 From Holly Raiche : I welcome the discussion - and the challenge to stay focussed on an issue and absorb enough detail to come to decisions
14:26:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : +1 @Holly
14:27:21 From Jonathan Zuck : We’re just exploring ideas how to improve our calls, that’s all. We should be experimenting and Melissa can help us brainstorm on those experiments. We need to treat these calls less like webinars and focus on conversations (something I know is a focus of Seb) so the question becomes how to inform people enough to have a conversation but spend the time on the call with discussion.
14:27:46 From Holly Raiche : +! JZ
14:27:47 From Jonathan Zuck : And it has certainly been MY experience that “consensus’ is not something that comes naturally
14:28:05 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : and the queue is closed after Herb Waye
14:28:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Nor mine @JZ
14:30:24 From Michelle DeSmyter : To follow along with RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
14:32:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : The CP Doc is good it needs a bit of editing but it's getting there...
14:32:39 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Be excellent if we do!!!
14:34:13 From Holly Raiche : Agree with Alan - it is a challenge to get across dense ideas quickly
14:34:27 From Roberto : @Alan - if people do not read the document, we are hopeless.
14:34:37 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Yes, I agree with you Alan. Many do not read the documents
14:34:49 From Jonathan Zuck : Well, those two things are related, @Alan
14:34:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Especially if it is not ones 'core business / focus" @Alan
14:34:58 From Holly Raiche : Alan is right - Hadia’s presentation does cover some dense material, but with few slides. Congratulations Hadia
14:35:05 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Good points made, Alan
14:35:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : KISS *is indeed an art*
14:35:40 From Roberto : As a matter of fact, we are not really sure that the people who do not read the documents are actually listening to the speakers who are presenting them, so we believe to solve the problem but are back to square 1
14:36:01 From Holly Raiche : Agree with Yrjo - there is often abuse of the Chat - and I am guilty as well - carrying on a different discusson
14:36:09 From Abdulkarim oloyede : @ Alan I agree. it sometimes difficult to have 3 hrs reading a document especially as this a night job for a lot of us. so slow and steady presentation would work
14:36:45 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes. There is ONE important fact that EVERYONE forgets. People are NOT able to read and listen at the same time, much less write and listen.
14:37:00 From Marita Moll : I also agree with Alan -- difficult stuff, too little time. We do pretty well. Lots of people on the calls are getting up to speed -- and the CPWG calls are where it happens. Crazy and chaotic -- but this is not a full time job for any of us.
14:38:45 From Roberto : I believe that concentrating on a document is best done when you can choose the best time to do it - not necessarily when this happens at a time that you have no control on, and that might happen at odd time depending on your time zone - and other commitments, because there’s life outside ICANN for volunteers - not necessarily for professionals
14:38:50 From Sébastien Bachollet : @JZ and write, read and listen ==> impossible (for me)
14:39:29 From Jonathan Zuck : For EVERYONE Seb, that much harder with foreign language!
14:40:01 From Holly Raiche : @ roberto - true enough - but the calls are at a set time so we need techniques the make the most of the time
14:40:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks Malissa please keep us on your agenda
14:40:12 From Holly Raiche : Thanks Melissa
14:40:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Melissa typo
14:40:17 From David Mackey : Thanks Melissa
14:40:39 From Michel TCHONANG : Thank Melissa, good presentation
14:40:52 From Alfredo Calderon (ISOCPR) : Thank you @Melissa. Hope to meet you in person in the future.
14:41:56 From Holly Raiche : @ Alan - what are the stumbling blocks?
14:44:07 From Alfredo Calderon (ISOCPR) : Basically, Assumptions without a clear implementation process.
14:51:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : next call perhaps
14:51:52 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : +1 agree with Hadia that this has a user impact.
14:52:20 From Hadia Elminiawi : Ok I believe Barrack will be doing the initial presentation
14:52:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : not yet
14:52:34 From Roberto : @Holly - I am a fan of homework - as a Chair of PIR I had eliminated the presentations of the documents to be discussed telling Directors to read them in the week before the meeting - only questions for qualifications were allowed. If you did not read the doc, tough luck. After a couple of meetings it started working fine.
14:52:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : :-)
14:53:21 From Holly Raiche : Thanks Roberto -Great process but I”m not sure that would work here
14:53:24 From Vanda Scartezini : left a second and am back
14:53:26 From Judith Hellerstein : NCAP is meeting now
14:53:59 From ALEJANDRO PISANTY BARUCH : Roberto +1
14:54:21 From Roberto : @holly I am sure too - but this *is* the problem - we can work forever for a solution but this will onlyy alienate the folks that are working harder
14:54:36 From Vanda Scartezini : perfect Robert
14:54:49 From Roberto : We will be left with the others
14:57:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : DEFFINATLY! important differences
14:57:18 From Michelle DeSmyter : We have Justine on the call now
14:57:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : we can do both in a call even but we need to distinguish each @JZ IMO
14:57:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Your Up Justine!
14:58:32 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : not at all, Justine :-)
14:58:50 From Laurin W : job is calling, apologies.
14:58:55 From Jonathan Zuck : Technically, that’s you INFERRING, @Justine!
14:59:14 From Marita Moll : @jz --I think that is an interesting idea which could help solve some of our issues -- briefings vs decision-making items
15:00:30 From Alberto Soto : Sorry, I must go. Thanks and regards!
15:03:08 From Marita Moll : These are great points and would really add value to the process
15:04:02 From Abdulkarim oloyede : why is it with the expetion of .brand?
15:04:14 From Marita Moll : @jz -- does that fit in here?
15:04:22 From Holly Raiche : Why not? It is an issue for new gTLDs
15:05:18 From Holly Raiche : Further - what is the point of new gTLDs if noone can accept the new names
15:05:37 From Michelle DeSmyter : To follow along with RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
15:05:56 From Marita Moll : I thought JZ was talking about names already in existence not just new names under consideration
15:08:29 From Betty Fausta : problèm to understand
15:08:43 From Betty Fausta : 2 talks in same time
15:08:46 From Hadia Elminiawi : yes holly
15:09:07 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : We could hear Cheryl through her phone, but the Zoom was dropping out
15:09:49 From Betty Fausta : Merci Olivier
15:10:07 From Jonathan Zuck : It’s JUST metric for success. It’s FAR more important than the efficiency of the application process
15:10:14 From Holly Raiche : It should be an explicit point - JZ - how would it be worded?
15:10:57 From Jonathan Zuck : It’s NOT just about IDNS! 80% of websites don’t accept ANY of the new gTLDs
15:11:03 From Holly Raiche : IDNs are PART of US - but as JZ has pointed out, UA is MORE than IDNs
15:11:17 From Holly Raiche : Sorry IDNs are part of UA
15:11:59 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : once the UA issues is solved then IDN TLD will be of value to be requested
15:12:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : UA is treated separate but with recognised linkages to IDNs in the SubPro work
15:12:58 From Jonathan Zuck : I’ll email
15:12:59 From Abdulkarim oloyede : Yes new TLDs. that is if they ever become successful or used.
15:13:17 From Marita Moll : Okay, now that makes sense. I agree with jz and Holly
15:14:55 From Roberto : I think that the point is more or whether we can accept the fact that failure to achieve Universal Acceptance is an acceptable shortcoming of the system of whether we ethically opposese it. The difficulties in achieving UA are only a part of the issue, but not the guiding factor
15:17:46 From Vanda Scartezini : I tend to agree with Christopher in the 4217
15:18:52 From Jonathan Zuck : 200 is a little easier than 11mil to protect. We should consider it. Of course, crime will find a way. .USDEXCHANGE etc.
15:19:00 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : what if University of South Dakota, USD.EDU wanted its own TLD .USD?
15:19:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : So Vanda you agree that 4217 is a Geo list>\?
15:19:05 From Betty Fausta : correct observation JZ... about acceptance of website under activities
15:19:17 From Vanda Scartezini : Yes Ia agree
15:19:20 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : +1 Wilkinson
15:19:35 From Lutz Donnerhacke : There is no protection against misuse
15:19:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : indeed Olivier many such examples were givin in our discssions
15:20:14 From Lutz Donnerhacke : The Evil came into the world, as ccTLDs are alloed in the root Zone.
15:20:16 From Vanda Scartezini : tonce someone got the authorization can propose but free to anyone I believe will be not good for end users
15:21:17 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : if there was a big problem relating to currency codes, wouldn't all of that end up already be a problem at 2nd level?
15:21:53 From Roberto : ISO 4217 codes are all three chars, a huge percentage of them already assigned - incidentally, some of them overlapping with ISO 3166-3. Do we have cases of scams using the ones already allocated? Do we have reasons to believe tha this will be the case for the yet unallocated ones? Can we protect this with post-fact procedures rather than pre-fact protection (that will, BTW, only protect the ones that are not allocated yet)?
15:21:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and as we note in SUbPro GAC early worning is well designed to be of use here
15:22:01 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : I checked USD.COM USD.INFO USD.BIZ - nothing to worry about, it seems
15:22:02 From Holly Raiche : @ Alan - maybe it is up to us to discuss with the GAC because misuse of currency codes could wind up misleading users
15:22:37 From Marita Moll : WT5 recommended that ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 codes to remain unavailable
15:22:38 From Holly Raiche : @ ACO - what do you mean by nothing to worry about
15:22:49 From Holly Raiche : (sorry - to OCL?)
15:23:00 From Vanda Scartezini : it will depend on who will be approved as TLD owner and allowing any one to register second level.
15:23:07 From Lutz Donnerhacke : Yes. Keep them off the zone
15:23:58 From Jonathan Zuck : I think the GAC are far more concerned about names of places
15:23:59 From Vanda Scartezini : If GAC has no constrains so it is weak to us , whatever our opinion to support this
15:24:15 From Alan Greenberg : @Holly, there have been plenty of GAC people on the calls where this has been raised.
15:24:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : well if your going to note a few pieces of chat @Justine you should really take a poll to pick up the views of the silent as well
15:25:19 From Alan Greenberg : It is not an issue of being "led buy the nose" (which I find insulting to both us and the GAC). We ccoperate of not when we wish.
15:25:23 From Betty Fausta : @Roberto simple comment the diversity of participants is important. we have to use carefully some technical worlds. ICANN need to be more. inclusive as possible.
15:25:30 From Roberto : @Lutz I personally believe that we should keep off the zone *all* new three-chars TLD, but this is completely independent from ISO codes. We can take this offline
15:25:31 From Marita Moll : I am sympathetic to CW's concerns -- just wonder if this is partially dealt with -- 2 letter codes and 3 letter codes are not available, are they?
15:26:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Country codes
15:26:30 From Roberto : And I believe that new 2-chars TLD are already forbidden. Am I right?
15:26:40 From Justine Chew : @CLO, folks should point out their objections if they wish
15:26:47 From Justine Chew : I would welcome it
15:26:54 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : 2-char TLD is ccTLD
15:27:37 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : it is public interest
15:28:00 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : tried to say that @OCL and the ISO list of Country Codes is protected
15:28:14 From Roberto : @OCL - but are 2-chars that are not yet ISO-3166 allocated forbidden? I believe it is, but I may be wrong
15:28:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : PK Justine I obkect
15:28:38 From Justine Chew : So noted @CLO
15:28:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : the issue is well coeverd for Gavernments by GAC early warning etc., IMO
15:28:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Governments
15:29:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : inother words what the AubPro has stated
15:29:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : SubPro sorry typos abound
15:29:47 From Betty Fausta : bye Everyone. have to go.
15:32:18 From Jonathan Zuck : Can staff post the score card link?
15:33:18 From Evin Erdoğdu : @Jonathan Scorecard Topic List - https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/134513417/13.%20At-Large%20SubPro%20Scorecard%20Topic%20List%2010.05.2020.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1589255209000&api=v2
15:34:26 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted
15:35:01 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : thank you @Evin
15:35:26 From Hadia Elminiawi : Thanks Evin for the pdf
15:35:55 From Jonathan Zuck : Or at LEAST substantially mitigated
15:36:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : a Cross Community approach makes good sense to me
15:36:45 From Jonathan Zuck : It’s fine as long as it’s a PREREQUISITE to a new round
15:37:01 From Holly Raiche : +1 JZ
15:37:47 From Holly Raiche : It will, in the end, probably lead to amendments to the R
15:37:49 From Holly Raiche : AA?
15:37:49 From Justine Chew : SubPro Scorecards are available in table under agenda item 6.4. Also SubPro Workspace @ https://community.icann.org/x/6a_jBg
15:38:04 From Michel TCHONANG : THANK MAUREEN
15:39:30 From Joanna Kulesza ALAC : I really like the idea of a CCWG on DNSabuse, thanks for sharing @Maureen.
15:40:49 From Maureen Hilyard : I told the team that at-large would be happy to join
15:41:14 From Justine Chew : @JZ noted but sometimes we can't plan ahead. No crystal ball :)
15:41:30 From Marita Moll : Have to leave. Bye all
15:41:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for noand of course polls are a temperature taking of THE room at the time of the poll not a consencus callw...
15:42:05 From Jonathan Zuck : @Justine, in almost every case you’re asking for feedback. Perhaps not ALWAYS but most of the time so just take 2 setons to tell staff what you’ll be asking the group….if you can
15:42:08 From Herb Waye : Take care everyone… stay safe
15:42:15 From Holly Raiche : Maybe one of our tasks is to come up with suggested deliverables
15:42:56 From Hadia Elminiawi : Thank you Maureen
15:43:06 From Joanna Kulesza ALAC : I like the poll feature, looking forward to another chance to vote. thanks team.
15:43:24 From Justine Chew : @JZ, feedback sought may not be a simply yes or no. But again, noted. Poll is useful.
15:44:00 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : The poll pops up in a nice and engaging way
15:44:22 From Justine Chew : +1 JZ
15:45:08 From Joanna Kulesza ALAC : there sure is room for discussion there @JZ
15:45:19 From Alan Greenberg : Got to go now.
15:45:24 From Joanna Kulesza ALAC : Looking forward;)
15:45:42 From Jonathan Zuck : RESULTS are ALL that matter, not best practices
15:46:17 From Justine Chew : True, "best" is also a matter of opinion.
15:46:20 From Michelle DeSmyter : Next meeting scheduled on Wednesday, 20 May at 13:00 UTC
15:46:53 From Jonathan Zuck : @Justine and many report that even those who have singed on to the best practices aren’t following them. Just set an expectation and folks will find a way
15:46:55 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thanks all
15:47:06 From Roberto : Bye
15:47:13 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : thank you all! Very interesting and useful
15:47:15 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : thanks and bye
15:47:19 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Thank you all
15:47:26 From Jonathan Zuck : https://www.loomio.org/atlarge/
15:47:33 From Roberto : Loomio is intriguingng
15:47:46 From David Mackey : +1 Jonathan
15:47:49 From Roberto : go try it
15:47:59 From Harold Arcos : great tool
15:48:15 From Hadia Elminiawi : Thank you all and bye for now
15:48:22 From Michel TCHONANG : Great
15:48:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now... the usual clash with SubPro will effect Justine nextweek as well as other
15:48:31 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Thank you all bye
15:48:35 From Joanna Kulesza ALAC : bye all, thanks
15:48:36 From Michel TCHONANG : Thank all for the meeting bye bye
15:48:37 From Harold Arcos : thanks you all
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