Zoom chat: 2020-05-06 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

15:41:34 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group Call taking place on Wednesday, 06 May 2020 at 13:00 UTC.
15:41:52 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/vYrsBw
15:56:34 From Alan Greenberg : Please add a link to the ALAC EPDP statement to the agenda page: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/126430910/AL-ALAC-ST-0520-02-00-EN.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1588711490000&api=v2
15:56:49 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
15:56:51 From davekissoondoyal : Hello everyone
15:57:08 From Jaewon Son : Hi everyone!
15:57:15 From Evin Erdoğdu : Will do @Alan - with note that Justine’s update to be made
15:58:24 From Alan Greenberg : Noted Evin. They were both cosmetic (and literate) but do not change the intent.
15:59:54 From Amrita : Hello Everyone
16:00:03 From Aris Ignacio : Hello everyone!
16:02:17 From Sarah Kiden : Hello everyone!
16:02:27 From Hadia Elminiawi : Hi
16:03:15 From Yesim Nazlar : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
16:07:06 From Chokri ben romdhane : Hi , all
16:12:52 From Alfredo Calderon : Hello to all. Apologies for being late.
16:13:28 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Hi all. Sorry I'm late.
16:16:33 From Marita Moll : I think the suggested changes on slide 6 are sorely needed.
16:16:49 From Alan Greenberg : OOH! Scattering legal Latin into the presentation!
16:17:55 From Alfredo Calderon : @Justine, I agree with the position you suggest. Under the CPE it does not really make sense to repeat prvious opposition letters.
16:19:33 From Jonathan Zuck : When does it end?
16:19:56 From Jonathan Zuck : I think the Applicant should have the last word
16:20:19 From Nadira Al Araj : Good that you notice it
16:20:20 From Jonathan Zuck : Agree. I don’t think we give the commenter another chance to respond after being late
16:20:26 From Marita Moll : Agreed @JZ
16:20:31 From Alfredo Calderon : +1 Jonathan. There needs to be an end to the exchange.
16:20:34 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : +1 Jonathan
16:22:48 From Jaewon Son : +1 Jonathan
16:22:50 From Holly Raiche : +1 JZ
16:25:20 From Jonathan Zuck : Certainly seems reasonable. Is there a fear of abuse by investors? .BRAND and CPE, perhaps
16:26:36 From Jonathan Zuck : Seems that it’s fine for anyone to change as long as it passes string similarity tests
16:27:01 From Jonathan Zuck : Much better resolution than auctions and payoffs
16:27:29 From christopher wilkinson : Surely .brand get an automatic priority based on the trademark. CPE applicants need to be advised against applying for a TM.
16:27:37 From Alfredo Calderon : I would agree as long as the change does not create a larger issue with other strings. And as @Jonathan indicates creates a ‘string similarity’, but a test procedure is in please. Am I correct?
16:27:51 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes, must be mandatory, I think
16:28:51 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes, UA!
16:29:09 From Jonathan Zuck : Acceptance is not universal?
16:29:19 From Roberto : Or lack thereof :-(
16:30:03 From Alfredo Calderon : That is the goal, to have UA….
16:30:30 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes, I was being sarcastic. I think the lack of UA has made the new TLDs a joke
16:31:05 From Alfredo Calderon : :-) @Jonathan…
16:32:53 From Roberto : The basic issue is that by and large the contracted parties do not see UA as a business opportunity in the short term, so they tend not to spend money and other resources on it
16:33:14 From Hadia Elminiawi : +1 Roberto
16:33:44 From Jonathan Zuck : What does it mean to “strongly encourage?” Sounds like the kind of language that causes so much trouble in our current contracts
16:34:36 From Jonathan Zuck : I think we make 50% acceptance a prerequisite to a new round. THEN we would see some commercial activity on it!
16:34:54 From Roberto : What about: “If you are not UA-ready you don’t get any new TLD?”
16:35:05 From Jonathan Zuck : That too!
16:35:17 From Roberto : I know it will never work, no need for flames
16:35:47 From Holly Raiche : @ Roberto - why will it never work?
16:36:06 From Alfredo Calderon : @Roberto and @Jonathan, Or even that it would be a positive consideration when …
16:36:23 From Roberto : The opposition from contracted parties will be incredible
16:36:25 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you, Justine!
16:36:42 From Holly Raiche : Thanks Roberto - agreed
16:36:46 From Marita Moll : As JZ suggests, where there is no money to be made, it is groups like At Large that has to push this issue. So, I say keep the intervention.
16:36:57 From Jonathan Zuck : THAT’s NOT UA!
16:37:15 From Roberto : with statements like “this is limitation of the free enterprise” and all similar things. But maybe we need to try anyway
16:37:30 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : If UA is going to have any traction then ICANN needs to make UA readiness of registries and registrars an imperative
16:37:31 From Justine Chew : UA = Universal Acceptance
16:37:44 From Holly Raiche : Agree with Maureen
16:37:51 From Jonathan Zuck : There is none
16:38:12 From Amrita : Agree with Maureen
16:38:19 From Hadia Elminiawi : We need to be specific
16:38:30 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes!
16:38:30 From Roberto : +1 Maureen
16:38:48 From Holly Raiche : So put in the application?
16:38:57 From Ricardo Holmquist : +1 Alan
16:39:02 From Roberto : But I am frustrated by years of efforts without results
16:39:12 From Hadia Elminiawi : +1 Alan
16:40:09 From Alfredo Calderon : Yes +1 @Alan suggestion. It should be a question in the application, even if there is no concrete answer.
16:41:12 From betty Fausta : +1 Maureen
16:41:34 From Holly Raiche : + JZ - agree
16:42:21 From Jonathan Zuck : Go from 20% acceptance to 50% for example
16:42:33 From Justine Chew : Thanks.
16:42:42 From Marita Moll : +1 -- why can't we say ICANN must invest .. rather than should invest
16:43:28 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : +1 Marita.. we need to say that!
16:43:50 From Sarah Kiden : +1 to saying must
16:44:31 From Jonathan Zuck : I talked Betsy into getting a .gallery domain and I hear every day about a website that rejects it, including BIG ones like banks and airlines’1
16:44:48 From Holly Raiche : Agree Roberto
16:47:15 From Jonathan Zuck : Hear, hear!
16:47:26 From Holly Raiche : And Well done Alan, Hadia and us!
16:47:58 From Evin Erdoğdu : Congrats Alan, Hadia, Maureen and all
16:49:37 From Jonathan Zuck : Agreed
16:50:14 From Roberto : +1 Alan
16:50:29 From Hadia Elminiawi : Congratulations to the GAC and the ALAC
16:50:30 From Bastiaan Goslings : Long live the GAC
16:50:32 From Justine Chew : Yes, which is why the ALAC uninanimously endorsed the GAC statement
16:50:34 From Holly Raiche : Should we express the thanks ?
16:50:35 From Judith Hellerstein : yes Alan agreed. glad the GAC reached out to us
16:50:37 From Tracy Hackshaw : Good stuff from the GAC
16:50:43 From Jonathan Zuck : Mind the GAC!
16:50:52 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : +1 Alan - the GAC has been very welcoming of ALAC collaboration
16:51:05 From Nadira Al Araj : Yes, the cross community work is great approach
16:51:15 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : And have really appreciated the support for this statement
16:52:16 From Judith Hellerstein : @jonathan, that is really troubling to hear about the problems Betsy is having with .gallery
16:54:08 From Evin Erdoğdu : Seun is on the call
16:54:13 From Justine Chew : Seun has his hand up
16:54:14 From Sarah Kiden : Seun is
16:55:38 From Jonathan Zuck : Thanks @Judith. It’s not surprising given only 20% acceptance of new TLDs. I’m amazed that it’s true of even MAJOR sites, however.
16:59:51 From Laurin W : have to drop, thanks all!
17:00:51 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you Seun and AFRALO team
17:01:01 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you, Seun!
17:02:18 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : Could we ask our ccNSO Liaison so brief us on this?
17:02:37 From Hadia Elminiawi : @JZ just give us time to take a look
17:03:12 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : I would like to volunteer to look into it
17:03:34 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : I join Hadia
17:04:06 From Hadia Elminiawi : Ok great Abdulkarim
17:04:13 From Jonathan Zuck : Sorry! Ricardo!
17:04:34 From Roberto : @JZ I am not really sure I underseand what you want me to talk about
17:04:46 From Roberto : Oh OK, understood!
17:04:48 From Jonathan Zuck : I meant Ricardo. Sorry
17:06:17 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : OFBSC - Organisational, Finance and Budget Sub Committee
17:07:30 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : It is actually going to be called Operations, etc to align it with the ICANN Operating Initiatives in their Operating Plan which will be our focus of attention.
17:07:42 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond : ABR = Additional Budget Requests
17:09:19 From Evin Erdoğdu : ICANN Board Withholds Consent for a Change of Control of the Public Interest Registry (PIR): https://www.icann.org/news/blog/icann-board-withholds-consent-for-a-change-of-control-of-the-public-interest-registry-pir
17:09:38 From Evin Erdoğdu : Consensus Playbook: http://go.icann.org/consensus
17:09:51 From Judith Hellerstein : have we updated the playbook with the at large additions
17:11:29 From Judith Hellerstein : @jonathan you mean Justine not Judith
17:11:43 From Nadira Al Araj : The problem that it doesn't have a question if we use the transcript or not
17:12:08 From Judith Hellerstein : @nadira please explain
17:12:46 From Nadira Al Araj : the questions assumes that every one reads the transcript
17:12:59 From Barrack Otieno : Apologies for joining late was on another call
17:13:18 From Jonathan Zuck : @Judith, I thought it was YOU who expressed concern over Betsy’s plight with .gallery. Too many texts!
17:14:31 From Jonathan Zuck : OCL was talking about the cost to develop it in the first place. I think it was too much of an evolution to say
17:18:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : apologise for being late
17:21:08 From Holly Raiche : There is an irony in saying privacy costs. It costs because so much money has been made by the collection of personal information - which is onsold - so the costs that must be paid are costs to reconfigure processes to stop the collection of personal data
17:29:55 From Nadira Al Araj : acronyms :I
17:32:53 From Jonathan Zuck : Let’s do it! I think the genomes call is less for this group because I’m ASSUMING they have ALL filled out the survey!
17:33:58 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : we can always invite the GAC
17:34:05 From Jonathan Zuck : let’s invite them
17:34:06 From Marita Moll : It is an information capacity, why not
17:34:49 From Yrjo Lansipuro : Another step forward in our developing relationship
17:34:52 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted
17:34:56 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thanks @Justine
17:35:11 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : +1 Yrjo
17:38:28 From Alfredo Calderon : Have to leave. Stay well and safe!
17:39:19 From Michel TCHONANG : Thank Alfredo
17:40:52 From Marita Moll : This was a big issue in the geonames group raised especially by Christopher W. I thought that in this group, we were sympathetic to his concerns
17:42:31 From Marita Moll : I don't think we ever did a straw poll on it. So I don't know that the split was that big
17:42:35 From Nadira Al Araj : Amazing work and explanation Justine
17:42:46 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Thank you for your work on this, Justine
17:42:54 From Alan Greenberg : Have to leave. Bye all.
17:42:56 From Jonathan Zuck : Thank god!
17:43:10 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you all
17:43:12 From davekissoondoyal : Thanks and bye to all
17:43:13 From Jaewon Son : Thank you!
17:43:16 From Roberto : Bye
17:43:17 From Bastiaan Goslings : thanks all
17:43:22 From Aris Ignacio : Thanks to all.. and stay safe
17:43:24 From ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG : Thanks and bye
17:43:25 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Bye everyone
17:43:26 From Gordon Chillcott : Thanks, all
17:43:26 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you
17:43:36 From Alberto Soto : By!! Thanks!!