Zoom chat: 2020-04-22 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

15:39:31 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group Call taking place on Wednesday, 22 April 2020 at 13:00 UTC.
15:39:40 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/qoDsBw
15:52:19 From Holly Raiche : Good morning Carlos
15:52:48 From Michel TCHONANG : Hi everyone
15:53:02 From Holly Raiche : Never happen!
15:54:48 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
15:57:07 From Justine Chew : gimme a sec
16:00:08 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Hello everyone!
16:00:20 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : Hi to all
16:00:47 From Oksana Prykhodko : hello everyone
16:01:03 From Jonathan Zuck : Bright eyed and bushy tailed at 6am!
16:01:39 From Holly Raiche : @ JZ - one of my favorite times for a CPWG call!
16:02:14 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : 6 am!!!-) Good early morning!
16:02:35 From Jonathan Zuck : Ugh! Give me 2am any time! Easier to stay up than get up!
16:02:41 From Lutz Donnerhacke : 3pm … still busy with home schooling.
16:02:46 From Yesim Nazlar : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
16:03:07 From Holly Raiche : @ JZ - no sympathy
16:03:09 From vandascartezini : hi everyone!!
16:03:17 From Hadia Elminiawi : Hi Vanda
16:04:21 From vandascartezini : hi Hadia, hope everything is going well with you, family and country
16:04:31 From Bill Jouris : @Jonathan Amen!
16:09:39 From Yesim Nazlar : @Justine - the problem is on my end, slow internet at the moment
16:11:04 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes
16:11:24 From Marita Moll : agreed -- strengthen "facilitate"
16:14:05 From Marita Moll : rec#6 -- good additions
16:19:01 From Justine Chew : The Pro Forma document is available on the agenda wiki page
16:19:16 From Justine Chew : The document that Christopher refers to.
16:21:48 From vandascartezini : I am ok with including Christofer point
16:21:54 From Hadia Elminiawi : what Christopher is saying makes perfect sense
16:23:47 From Akay Oloyede : +1 @Christopher
16:25:26 From Jonathan Zuck : right some kind of multiplier
16:27:40 From Jonathan Zuck : Yessim can do actual poll
16:30:58 From Vrikson Acosta : Greetings everyone
16:31:51 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : I am totally confused
16:32:05 From Marita Moll : So why would we not vote for option 3?
16:32:21 From Marita Moll : I don't get it.
16:32:21 From christopher wilkinson : I have voted Option 1, including because I am opposed in principle to auctions. An auction involving successful ASP applicants is a fortiori not appropriate.
16:32:28 From Hadia Elminiawi : so can we start the vote with option 3
16:33:31 From Hadia Elminiawi : + alan
16:33:39 From Hadia Elminiawi : I want to say something
16:34:47 From Alan Greenberg : If you like one option and hate the other, vote for the one you like. If you support both, then select 3.
16:35:02 From Jaewon Son : alan+1
16:35:10 From Alberto Soto : +1 Hadia
16:35:16 From Justine Chew : @Hadia, then you should vote for Option 3
16:36:29 From Carlton Samuels : Um, Agree to all? And the aasking preferred choice?
16:37:22 From Hadia Elminiawi : I agree with Jonathan at least start with 3
16:37:28 From Carlton Samuels : Um, maybe what is emerging is the options are not properly configured?
16:37:36 From Hadia Elminiawi : +1 vote on option 3
16:38:50 From Judith Hellerstein : so this is for option 3
16:39:00 From Justine Chew : Okay, so straw poll decides yes to Option 3
16:39:14 From Michel TCHONANG : OK
16:40:34 From Jonathan Zuck : I don’t think they have because there are no metrics
16:40:52 From Jonathan Zuck : Fun!
16:41:52 From christopher wilkinson : Just a footnote to all of the above: in the interests of predictability, there is NO WAY third party co-financing would be compatible with auctions.
16:42:14 From Justine Chew : Metrics for the success of ASP
16:42:35 From vandascartezini : thanks Justine . i haven’t time anymore to follow the calls every week but your presentations each week is , for me , better than follow the calls !! thank you again great work
16:42:51 From Carlton Samuels : @Jonathan +1
16:43:30 From Jonathan Zuck : thanks for the support @Carlton. Feels like a decade ago now!
16:43:31 From Marita Moll : Interesting point @CW. Something to think about -- lots of overlapping stuff in the end that does not show when dealing with them as stand-alone.
16:43:59 From Alan Greenberg : Re EPDP, we should have a draft statement on the addendum within a day or so.
16:46:22 From Bastiaan Goslings : @Alan: I wouldn’t mind working on the addendum, however ‘within a day or so’ I cannot do. The PC closes in 13 days, we have more time, not?
16:46:45 From Michel TCHONANG : YES
16:46:58 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you @Holly we can note you on the drafting team for PTI
16:47:03 From Justine Chew : Holly isn't addressing RPM but PTI item
16:47:49 From Jonathan Zuck : OMG!
16:48:11 From Hadia Elminiawi : I shall have an initial draft ready today and will share it with the team
16:48:23 From Justine Chew : @Greg, @Marita, just focus on the ones that have end-user impact, less on trademark holders etc.
16:49:04 From Betty Fausta : +1@Alan
16:49:14 From Carlton Samuels : @CW, you should know that I am in the same place logically and philosophically with you re auctions. But since I know it is a minority view and being practical, I decided I will take the advice of that Texas politician; take their money etc etc. XXX. Te
16:49:36 From Alan Greenberg : @Bastiaan, just trying to get something out there for folks to comment on. Comments/bullets would be helpful, either on the wiki or direct to me/Hadia.
16:49:37 From Bastiaan Goslings : @Hadia: is that draft re the EPDP phase 2 addendum?
16:49:56 From Hadia Elminiawi : @Bastain yes
16:49:59 From Bastiaan Goslings : Ok thanks
16:50:03 From Betty Fausta : @Carlton didn't understand the end of your last sentence
16:50:05 From Carlton Samuels : So auction proceeds is the fall back. Have a look there and see what you can recommend.
16:50:44 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : the form is good suggestion to providing comments and it help people to engage
16:51:17 From Carlton Samuels : @Betty the end of that statement is triple x-rated so cannot be repeated here. Very pithy...but oh so practical
16:53:58 From Justine Chew : And END-USER focus
16:55:22 From Justine Chew : For eg: those to do with Claims Notice
16:55:37 From Jonathan Zuck : I LIKE forms but let’s talk about that later ;)
16:56:19 From Holly Raiche : @ Marita - maybe this is a further comment on the PDP process
16:56:27 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : it could be a handy tool, to be incorporated into the drafting team
16:57:04 From Justine Chew : I am on the RPM PDP WG. I don't believe it is entirely relevant to At-Large.
16:57:08 From Holly Raiche : Could be a good example of designing a process to insure as little input as possible
16:59:00 From Hadia Elminiawi : @Bastian I wanted to wait until we see if we have any new information with regard to any of the topics handled. We now have the Bird & Bird response to the legal committee
16:59:31 From Marita Moll : We don't work this way as a group. Iti is not conducive to group work -- the form I mean.
16:59:48 From Marita Moll : Yes, it is a really big barrier
17:00:58 From vandascartezini : dear, at the top of the hour I will have a call with a client, so I will need to resume this call. thanks to all for this , for me, relevant meetings
17:01:04 From Justine Chew : We are going off topic
17:01:18 From Bastiaan Goslings : @Hadia - thanks, I have not seen the B&B letter yet
17:01:57 From vandascartezini : will leave open and if I finish with my client I can join again later on. anyway I am with captions so I save it and can read at the end
17:03:09 From Marita Moll : @Justine -- that would be useful. Our points might not fit into a form.
17:04:12 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes, let’s do that
17:05:17 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted
17:05:30 From Seun Ojedeji : Thats fine Olivier
17:05:47 From Michel TCHONANG : That ok Olivier
17:06:38 From Sébastien Bachollet : It need to be transfert to the other group
17:06:44 From Sébastien Bachollet : OFBSC
17:08:02 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Thanks @Seun and Akay
17:08:29 From Roberto : +1 JZ
17:08:32 From Sébastien Bachollet : +1 JZ
17:08:37 From Yrjo Lansipuro : +1
17:08:52 From Michel TCHONANG : +1
17:08:54 From Roberto : We cannot give away independencedence for a short term victory
17:09:02 From Seun Ojedeji : No problem Olivier, its really a regional strategy and if we are presenting at the CPWG(or any other fora) it will largely be as an Fyi so am fine with doing it latter
17:10:42 From Bill Jouris : Note that ICANN is going to be incorporated *somewhere*. It's just a matter of which government is going to be referred to.
17:11:00 From Justine Chew : @Alan, what do you suggest we should do about it?
17:11:04 From Greg Shatan : The AG has oversight over ICANN as a California non-profit. This was a key accountability mechanism in the view of CCWG Accountability.
17:11:06 From christopher wilkinson : @Alan +1
17:11:18 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Good point Alan. I fear the consequences of such response.
17:11:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : agreed
17:14:05 From Bill Jouris : It doesn't so much open a can of worms as highlight the can which was there all along
17:14:51 From Lutz Donnerhacke : Thank you … I've to leave .. cu
17:15:50 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : I have to leave the call. Thank you all and bye!
17:22:00 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes!
17:26:32 From Jonathan Zuck : Don’t love it.
17:26:51 From Marita Moll : seems contradictory
17:27:31 From Alberto Soto : Sorry , I have to leave the call. Thanks!!
17:27:32 From Marita Moll : .springs .spring
17:27:39 From Marita Moll : that could happen a lot
17:27:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : As usual this call overlaps a SubPro one for last 30 mins (this time only a Leadership call) but I need to drop off now as I need my larger screen to read a document... So Bye for now then...
17:28:00 From Jonathan Zuck : exactly @marita. They’ll probably both end up being generic anyway unless there’s a pic
17:28:17 From Marita Moll : pics might work but there could still be user confusion
17:28:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I will leave the audio line on
17:28:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : so listening
17:28:31 From herb.waye : Gotta drop off too… stay safe everyone
17:29:04 From vandascartezini : back again
17:30:14 From Marita Moll : seems like squatting
17:30:25 From Marita Moll : can strings just sit there forever
17:30:41 From Marita Moll : uresolved?
17:30:51 From Greg Shatan : Marita, that is a problem and not just here.
17:31:15 From Greg Shatan : Name Collision applications that were not withdrawn are also in suspended animation.
17:31:33 From Marita Moll : Yes, @Greg, I just thought things were different at the top level
17:31:40 From Greg Shatan : This question is outside the remit of the WG. But not ALAC.
17:32:11 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : There is always a reason why some applications are stuck in the system. If these strings are a problem then why would they be allowed to be applied for again in the future?
17:32:29 From Greg Shatan : It’s worse at the top level.
17:32:57 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : This seems unfair to the first set of people that had applied for the string and it gets allocated to someone else in the next round based on the lessons learnt in the previous round...
17:33:08 From Greg Shatan : Reasons and circumstances change. But allowing applications to persist over multiple rounds waiting for that change is ridiculous.
17:33:20 From Michel TCHONANG : Ah merci, je rempli le formulaire après la téléconférence
17:33:20 From Bill Jouris : Not just different languages, but different (possibly unrelated) scripts which LOOK the same. dot ooo being the obvious case
17:33:33 From Michel TCHONANG : Bonne journée
17:33:41 From Michel TCHONANG : et salutation à la famille
17:33:52 From Justine Chew : I suspect I went through it really fast. Please review offline and comment on the CPWG list if you have any comments or questions.
17:34:12 From Marita Moll : I agree -- leaving names sitting idle should not happen over various rounds.
17:34:50 From Evin Erdoğdu : Take the At-Large GeoNames Survey (deadline: 30 April): https://forms.gle/skiGiio5n4UXu9G57
17:35:02 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : thank you all
17:35:11 From Justine Chew : yum yum?
17:35:14 From Marita Moll : Did Olivier just say straight forward in an ICANN context?
17:35:27 From Marita Moll : Nothing is straight forward here
17:36:08 From Greg Shatan : :-) (-: :-)
17:36:35 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted @Jonathan as an AI
17:39:31 From vandascartezini : + 1 Marita…
17:39:46 From Jonathan Zuck : Nooooooo!
17:39:56 From Jonathan Zuck : THAT one!
17:39:58 From vandascartezini : this time has less conflict
17:40:18 From Jonathan Zuck : I will, of course, do whatever the group wants
17:40:36 From vandascartezini : yes rotate is also adequate
17:41:06 From Yesim Nazlar : 20:30 UTC
17:41:23 From Sébastien Bachollet : TO much calls going on
17:41:24 From vandascartezini : ok thanks to all
17:41:29 From Michel TCHONANG : Thank all for this beautiful meeting bye bye
17:41:46 From Seun Ojedeji : thanks bye
17:41:47 From Hadia Elminiawi : Thank you all bye for now
17:41:48 From Marita Moll : Thanks all. Bye
17:41:48 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you all
17:41:48 From Jonathan Zuck : We all look. Forward to you being delighted, Cheryl!
17:41:52 From Vrikson Acosta : Yes, too Manu calls
17:41:55 From vandascartezini : stay safe !!!
17:41:59 From Roberto : Bye all
17:42:00 From hanan khatib : thank you all
17:42:06 From Vrikson Acosta : Bye
17:42:11 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you
17:42:15 From Heidi Ullrich : Bye, All.
17:42:35 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Thanks to our interpreters for the extension.