Zoom chat: 2020-01-29 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

12:44:22 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
12:52:42 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : Hi all
12:52:56 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : thanks
12:53:38 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : muted and on a The Future of the Internet video broadcast today
12:53:56 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRrtDJpQXgY&t=
12:54:07 From Michelle DeSmyter : We will have RTT for this meeting if you would like to follow along at: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
12:54:32 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : Just returned from St Vincent. Did a keynote at the ISOC AGM
12:55:15 From David Mackey : Thanks for the link Glenn. That looks interesting.
12:56:34 From Michel TCHONANG : Hi everyone
12:57:19 From Michelle DeSmyter : We will have RTT for this meeting if you would like to follow along at: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
12:58:59 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Hi everyone. Im joining in from sunny Los Angeles today..
12:59:50 From Alberto Soto : We need login for RTT?
12:59:53 From Evin Erdoğdu : Welcome Maureen :)
13:00:23 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Hi Evin.. :)
13:00:34 From Judith Hellerstein : HI Alberto, it is https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
13:00:45 From Judith Hellerstein : It is the same every time
13:00:48 From davekissoondoyal : Hello everyone
13:01:17 From Alberto Soto : Hi Judith!!! Thanks!!
13:02:06 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : Hi everyone
13:02:13 From Judith Hellerstein : Can we see the agenda slide
13:04:11 From Justine Chew : Do we need to change order of agenda items? My NCAP DG call got cancelled.
13:05:22 From Michelle DeSmyter : We will have RTT for this meeting if you would like to follow along at: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
13:06:44 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : Hi all
13:07:50 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : low sound
13:08:09 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : Justine is still low
13:08:26 From Judith Hellerstein : Seems fine to me
13:08:41 From Jonathan Zuck : wow. Pretty!
13:08:59 From Michelle DeSmyter : https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+SubPro+Updates
13:10:19 From Lutz Donnerhacke : Sorry, I'm late and I've to step away some more time. Personal issues.
13:12:20 From Sebastien Bachollet : Super Justine. Very good job
13:14:02 From Greg Shatan : Hi all. Sorry to be late — this call overlaps with the last half hour of the RPM WG (and the first half hour of the NCAP Discussion Group). :-(
13:17:15 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : I like the scorecard idea
13:21:15 From Nadira Al Araj : Thank you Justine for the effort in compiling all the issues in well structured approach
13:22:03 From Evin Erdoğdu : +1
13:22:07 From Roberto : +1 - Nice job, Justine
13:23:20 From Michelle DeSmyter : We will have RTT for this meeting if you would like to follow along at: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
13:27:16 From Marita Moll : This is totally outstanding work @ Justine.
13:27:36 From Yrjo Lansipuro : +1
13:27:44 From Judith Hellerstein : yes great job
13:28:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : And do remember that so far much of what we have previously identified as essential or important in SibPrp's text re ASP
13:32:04 From Judith Hellerstein : Yes I agree. Great job
13:32:31 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : awesome work has been done
13:32:58 From Michel TCHONANG : That good
13:34:54 From Roberto : What Christopher says makes sense to me
13:35:13 From Holly Raiche : So the comments would be both under Geonames and applicant support?
13:35:37 From Nadira Al Araj : I support CW point
13:35:53 From Jonathan Zuck : have we even defined a geo name? Does CWs suggestion relate to all 11mil on geonames.org?
13:35:59 From Holly Raiche : I should add to #7 the numbers from outside the US and Europe
13:36:07 From Marita Moll : I also support Christopher's point but wonder if it is too late to bring this in now
13:36:57 From Marita Moll : There has to be more discussion about how this would be implemented.
13:37:37 From Holly Raiche : A JZ - I think we got down to protecting capitals and large cities- but again what is a large city. I don’t thin ALAC reached agreement on the issue
13:38:29 From Marita Moll : @Holly -- there was a long and arduous struggle about cities in the workgroup -- and we lost that battle
13:39:21 From Marita Moll : "we" meaning those who wanted to protect the largest cities
13:39:37 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : @Agree with JZ : there wasn't consensus on geonames in WT5 so introducing language saying "geoname" applications must be from the same juridisiction is reopening the WT5 debate
13:41:13 From Alberto Soto : Great job Justin!!
13:41:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Excellent Thanks Justine
13:41:47 From Holly Raiche : @ Marita - thanks for the update -
13:41:49 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : This is the best policy I have participated in for laying out the policy issues
13:42:35 From Betty Fausta : Great - talk about undesserved and under represent regions
13:42:54 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Indeed, great, outstanding work from Justine on this scorecard
13:43:39 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Re: Method for selecting recipients if applicants exceeds funds allocated Perhaps each region should be allocated a minimum number applications that will be processed under the ASP
13:43:54 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : https://www.un.org/development/desa/dpad/least-developed-country-category.html
13:44:00 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : Internet Health Index produced by ICANN on Latin America and Africa was quite good on the new gTLD programme detailing the low uptick
13:44:55 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Re: Method for selecting recipients if applicants exceeds funds allocated Perhaps each region should be allocated a minimum number applications that will be processed under the ASP
13:45:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : :-)
13:45:48 From Michelle DeSmyter : Sub Pro workspace: https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+SubPro+Updates
13:47:34 From Greg Shatan : Someone’s in the kitchen (and not muted).
13:56:55 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : this is the wrong slide!
13:59:55 From Greg Shatan : Are At-Large and ALAC two separate voting entities, as shown on the prior slide?
14:00:22 From Greg Shatan : Not that I’m objecting....
14:00:58 From Jonathan Zuck : @Greg, no At-Large voting mechanism
14:02:00 From Lutz Donnerhacke : I've to leave. Trouble@work
14:02:32 From Greg Shatan : @Jonathan, I meant within the Auction Proceeds group, The list of participating entities and votes had a line for At-Large and a line for ALAC.
14:02:40 From Alberto Soto : I'm sorry, my apologies, I must get out of the call. Regards !!
14:02:55 From Roberto : Just doing maths, if we assign weights to ranking, the second option wins
14:04:07 From Internet Society of Puerto Rico : Hello to all. Made it for at least the last 1/2 hour.
14:04:28 From Roberto : We too :)
14:05:22 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : where is the echo coming from??
14:07:01 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Thank you Judith.
14:10:11 From Ricardo Holmquist : Sorry, I will have to leave. good day/night to all
14:13:48 From Holly Raiche : Agree with OCL
14:13:48 From Roberto : +1 OCL
14:14:23 From Nadira Al Araj : CW, having ICANN org staff distributing has some legal issues
14:14:32 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : That is fine OCL.. but after 3 years it is time to make a decision.
14:14:49 From Justine Chew : Thanks, Olivier, I wonder why we digressed from order of agenda. :)
14:15:09 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : If people can check out the google doc and make some contribution that would be fine
14:16:01 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : The Auctions Proceeds process is one for the ALAC to discuss @Maureen. There are split views in the community. So ultimately it's your call and your vote.
14:16:16 From Holly Raiche : @ JZ - are we going to talk about the amendment to .COM - Evin went through quickly and I didn’t catch if there is a pen holder - I didn’t see one when I checked. And a quick look- the amendment says there will be measures to enhance security and safety - no details. Do we know what they are and is someone looking?
14:17:03 From Roberto : I will send my comment on the PIR thing on the list, but basically my point is that we might be missing to highlight that .org is the only registry who acts in the public interest. If we miss that, the diversification, that was one of the purposes why ICANN was created, will no longer be there
14:17:15 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Great.. can we have the link in the chat?
14:17:36 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Thanks Michelle
14:23:58 From Greg Shatan : ASO only requested some documents, which would ultimately have to be reviewed by the Empowered Community.
14:25:28 From David Mackey : +1 Christopher - I will be resigning from iSOC as well, if the transfer proceeds.
14:25:49 From Justine Chew : Re: SubPro: The correct links to the ASP Scorecard and the Fees Scorecard have been restored on the agenda page.
14:26:26 From Harold Arcos : Interesting thought Christopher,
14:28:02 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Just on the topic of the NRO/ASO Letter -- Chris Buckridge of RIPE has publicly said that the ICANN Board has not responded so far to their letter. I suspect that the ICANN Board meeting is going address this.
14:28:12 From Roberto : .INT is a closed TLD, no comparison possible with .ORG
14:28:28 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you Carlos
14:28:58 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Thanx Carlos
14:29:01 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : But the NRO/ASO is requesting an "inspection" which is not the "community power" itself, so what is the ALAC asking of the NRO/ASO? What is it that the ALAC is asking?
14:29:32 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : .INT only for organisations created by international treaty
14:31:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : why do we need to take GNSO constituency views into account ??
14:31:13 From Justine Chew : +1 Cheryl
14:31:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : our perspective needs to be fro the End User POV
14:31:27 From Greg Shatan : My understanding is that NTEN approached all of the participants in the Empowered Community asking them to make this request, and that ASO stepped forward as the most neutral.
14:31:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : that may not be a NFP one
14:32:12 From Greg Shatan : ALAC should ask ASO to share the documents it receives from ICANN.
14:32:54 From Justine Chew : I would think all At-Large folks who wear NFP hats should take up their "demands" through NPOC, not the other way around. At-Large should stick to End User POV.
14:33:11 From Justine Chew : Or through ISOC Chapters!
14:33:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Exactly @Justine
14:33:29 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Agree
14:33:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : as we have said (and agreed in the main) before
14:33:56 From Yrjo Lansipuro : +1 to the end user POV
14:33:57 From Greg Shatan : +1 Justine (spoken with my End User Hat on)
14:33:58 From David Mackey : There’s a valid argument from end users to withhold consent of the .ORG transfer, independent of non-profits
14:34:45 From Roberto : Sorry, I must leave - as anticipated, I will comment on the list about the .ORG document
14:35:12 From Holly Raiche : @David - do we really have the power to ‘withhold consent’?
14:35:47 From Greg Shatan : @Holly, we are advising ICANN regarding its consent. “We” have no such power....
14:37:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : in what time span does all this review happen? we need it to the PC By 2359 on 31 01
14:37:04 From Holly Raiche : @ David - yes- agreed - would be nice of we had that power, but we can only voice dissent
14:37:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it is already 30th here so I guess I am concerned
14:38:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : It does make one wonder SeB but we can treat all the PC input equitably however
14:38:56 From David Mackey : @Holly, ICANN has the power has the power to withhold consent as documented in this letter from ICANN to PIR. At-Large should have the ability to advise on ICANN’s decision. ISOC/Ethos may not like the advice to withhold consent, but our focus should be on endusers not ISOC/Ethos
14:38:59 From David Mackey : https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icann-to-pir-17jan20-en.pdf
14:40:00 From christopher wilkinson : Leaving the call. Early appointment tomorrow morning. Thanks to All. CW
14:40:16 From Holly Raiche : @ David- thanks. Which is why everyone is lobbying ICOS since it is ICANN that can consent - or not. And so far, what ALAC has talked about is public interest
14:40:22 From Marita Moll : @Jonathan -- yes, we need to speak with one voice
14:40:33 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Agree.. the drafters are summarising the opinions that are presented.
14:40:49 From David Mackey : There’s a question of the question for testing for consensus. I believe the at-large process to test consensus may need to be reviewed.
14:40:51 From Holly Raiche : (sorry - ICAA)
14:40:57 From Holly Raiche : ICANN
14:42:49 From Justine Chew : They only have 1 day! ALAC needs time to review before 31 Jan.
14:43:43 From Marita Moll : Yes. boot mine to next week
14:43:48 From Jonathan Zuck : @Justine, ALAC will have to review at the same time
14:44:00 From David Mackey : @Holly, there is a process that we’re following as per other CPWG issues, but .ORG transfer is of a different nature. It might be nice to test consensus with the larger At-Large community, but it appears we don’t have the ability to do that given the time constraints that were presented to us from ISOC/Ethos. There’s certainly an outstanding question whether ISOC is respecting the multistakeholder process
14:44:03 From Jonathan Zuck : We’ve already reached consensus on the talking points
14:45:00 From David Mackey : It’s a share Jonathan, that the consensus test was not announced on the listserv :-(
14:45:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now
14:45:06 From David Mackey : shame
14:45:39 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : with the usual overlap with SubPro Meeting
14:45:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : which is at 1400 UTC
14:46:06 From Michel TCHONANG : Bye for all and thank team for this good meeting
14:46:08 From Michelle DeSmyter : I will be sending the survey out today
14:46:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now
14:46:15 From Rudi Daniel : thx all
14:46:17 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : bye
14:46:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : 1300\
14:46:18 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong (IGF CHAD) : bye thanks
14:46:19 From David Mackey : bye all
14:46:22 From Betty Fausta : BYE
14:46:24 From Gordon Chillcott : Thanks and bye for now
14:46:25 From Marita Moll : Thanks and bye. Lots of work going on
14:46:27 From Tracy Hackshaw : bye all
14:46:36 From hanan khatib : thank you all
14:46:44 From avri doria : thanks, bye
14:46:47 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you