10:41:58 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group Call
10:56:27 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Hello all, welcome
10:59:20 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : Welcome, All.
10:59:26 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone : Hello everyone!
10:59:40 From Matthias to Everyone : hello
10:59:44 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : Hello everyone
11:01:12 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : CLO was on a call just 2 hours
11:01:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Hi all
11:02:06 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
11:02:07 From alberto soto to Everyone : Hi everyone”
11:02:58 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : ( :
11:03:08 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE to Everyone : Hi everyone
11:03:16 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone : Greetings… always nice to see names and hear familiar voices
11:03:27 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : Hi Michel, we are dialing out to you on FR
11:10:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Thank you @JZ
11:11:54 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Okay - thanks
11:12:03 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
11:14:36 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Re infrastructure abuse: looking at the numbers, I very much wonder if enough is being done on that “basic” level.
11:16:04 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : Welcome, Goran.
11:16:22 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Welcome Göran!
11:16:50 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone : <question> Will the Reputation Block list providers be seen as “trusted notifiers?
11:17:16 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone : there is financial implications on tracking the abuse
11:18:43 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : Welcome, David
11:18:54 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : Welcome to the CPWG, David.
11:19:02 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Welcome, David!
11:20:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : strength in diversity :-)
11:20:09 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone : Bonsoir @Michel j espère que tout va bien de ton côté
11:20:51 From Matthias to Everyone : : ) : ) : )
11:21:00 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : I'm only here for the beer.
11:21:07 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : And quite disappointed on that score.
11:21:08 From Marita Moll to Everyone : Touchée
11:21:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : :-)
11:21:44 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE to Everyone : Bonsoir mon cher je vais bien et l'espère pour toi aussi
11:21:48 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone : : )
11:21:58 From Alfredo Calderon (Mentor ICANN70) to Everyone : Welcome to all ICANN70 & ICANN71 Fellows in the call.
11:23:00 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : Marita, I love that you have an accent ague readily available on your keyboard -- must be a Canadian thing.
11:23:00 From Marita Moll to Everyone : So we can blame any issues with Göran on Gregg
11:23:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : LOL
11:23:15 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : I did my best.
11:24:17 From Goran Marby to Everyone : That is why DAAR is using different sources
11:26:19 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : Not sure child porn really fits into the definition. But otherwise....
11:26:25 From Sarah Kiden T to Everyone : Wish it was more than one choice
11:26:53 From Goran Marby to Everyone : Might good to the take into account the bylaws
11:26:57 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : Please state your name when taking the floor for the interpreters, thank you
11:28:06 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone : @Goran, maybe they’re thinking to recommend changing the bylaws
11:29:31 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : A need for regulation does not necessarily entail “shadow regulation”:
11:30:10 From Goran Marby to Everyone : Is it ICANN the institution or ICANN org?
11:30:29 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : If we aren't going to enforce our contracts, why do we even have them?
11:30:45 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : If a party is being “trusted”, there should be some rules around what makes them so…
11:30:47 From Goran Marby to Everyone : We do a lot of enforcement.
11:31:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : not good to close the poll before th read through
11:31:35 From Goran Marby to Everyone : But remember that it is the policies who sets the boundaries
11:31:44 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : I was still reading the poll
11:31:50 From Matthias to Everyone : yes too fast
11:31:53 From Matthias to Everyone : pls
11:32:01 From Matthias to Everyone : do it again
11:32:24 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Thus, some metrics / a standard is needed to make a call on who is trusted (and for what) who isn’t. I.e. some rules are indeed necessary.
11:32:41 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : @Goren, which is party to the contracts?
11:33:16 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone : @Laurin: +1
11:33:18 From Goran Marby to Everyone : ICANN org
11:33:30 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : Only ONE of the option can be chosen. I would wish to choose several options accumulatively. Or to rank. Them.
11:34:07 From Matthias to Everyone : +1 Greg
11:34:10 From Marita Moll to Everyone : JZ, this is all really really fuzzy. Can't really make any deductions from the results
11:34:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : multi option is often a finer granularity I agree @Greg but this is a temp taking exercise
11:34:50 From Goran Marby to Everyone : Greg +1
11:35:17 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : Please state your name when taking the floor for our interpreters
11:35:26 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : Seems to be taking temperature with a wooden spoon....
11:36:02 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : ok sure
11:36:06 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : Queue is: Holly, Alan, Hadia and Greg
11:36:23 From Marita Moll to Everyone : very funny @ Greg -- that's kind of how it feels.
11:36:25 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Thanks Greg - I think I have the same issues with the question
11:38:17 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : Hey!
11:38:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : :-)
11:39:23 From sivasubramanian muthusamy to Everyone : not to find an error, the question could also be a question in layers. 1. What does it take to mitigate DNS abuse? 2. What should ICANN do to mitigate DNS abuse.? The first question would first determine the level of agreement on DNS abuse. the second question would lead to deliberations on what ICANN should do on unattended facets of DNS abuse
11:39:46 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
11:40:22 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Re surveys: do we access to something a bit more advanced than the zoom tool?
11:42:21 From sivasubramanian muthusamy to Everyone : A typical response to a question that does not make this distinction is often influenced by possible reluctance on the effect of an expanded mission with the result that unattended facets remain unattended
11:47:42 From Roberto to Everyone : Hi all - sorry to be late
11:47:58 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : Welcome Roberto
11:49:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : biases need to be managed transparently indeed @Alan
11:51:02 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone : I think inclusion of other SO/AC is important and harmonise processes
11:51:16 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : May I respond?
11:52:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : you might respond in chat perhaps @Alan
11:52:06 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : might
11:53:14 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : I disagree with CW. The ODP cannot change the policy rec from the GNSO. The ODP can only influence HOW the policy is implemented.
11:53:54 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Agree, Alan
11:54:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : _1
11:54:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : +1
11:54:42 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone : GNSO makes recommendations
11:55:07 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone : I strongly agree with Alan's comment
11:56:00 From Goran Marby to Everyone : Yes that is correct but there are rules what the board does with that recommendation.
11:56:39 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : well said @Hadia!!!
11:56:58 From Sarah Kiden T to Everyone : +1 Hadia
11:57:12 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : And we will!
11:57:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : indeed!!
11:57:42 From Matthias to Everyone : +1 alan
11:58:58 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone : As much as I would like to stay in the call, I must leave for another call. Thanks!
11:59:12 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you Leon
12:01:45 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : Goran, no matter how long you stay there will not be beer.
12:01:53 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Wait I thought I was your first ICANN hug!
12:02:00 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE to Everyone : Bonne nouvelle
12:02:47 From Goran Marby to Everyone : You where was my first and only ICANN dance..
12:07:38 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone : All -- the Queue will be closed after Alan. Sorry, we are running out of time.
12:10:30 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : I don't think that we will have diverse positions within At-Large on this issue.
12:12:11 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : We are not disagreeing with the policy. We want to ensure that the IMPLEMENTATION meets the overall community needs.
12:13:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : a solid machine that may be ready for a timely and in current fashion "make-over" however @Göran I for one look forward to a Holistic Review in our not to distant future
12:13:37 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Thanks Goran - and hugs
12:13:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Thank you very much Göran
12:13:48 From Marita Moll to Everyone : That was a great discussion -- thanks
12:14:17 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE to Everyone : Thank Goran, great discussion
12:14:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : LOL
12:14:34 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : thank you Goran
12:14:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : we do meet weekly
12:14:39 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : Thank you, Göran
12:14:44 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Never gonna happen!
12:14:46 From Sarah Kiden T to Everyone : Thank you
12:15:04 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE to Everyone : Thank Olivier for this occasion
12:15:12 From Hanan Khatib to Everyone : thank you all
12:15:23 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone : Thanks All
12:15:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Excellent @JZ
12:16:21 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : Queue is: Holly, Alan, Hadia and Greg
12:16:46 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Yes
12:17:02 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone : yes great Hadia , Alan, Jonathan and happy for being volunteer like !
12:17:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : :-)
12:18:55 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Thanks Alan - that was going to be my point
12:20:24 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : In fact, if you look at all the RAA and Spec 11 requirements, they aren’t all technical
12:20:56 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : ICANN does all sorts of things that are not technical. IGF for instance... It still needs to be deemed to be in the remit.
12:21:30 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Ok this is what I also thought
12:21:58 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Maybe a better approach - what is within their control?
12:22:15 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Okay
12:23:52 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : Olay
12:23:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : looking forward to see these results now with the granularity of multi choices
12:24:36 From alberto soto to Everyone : I´mhere
12:24:37 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : except people on the phone cannot respond to the poll
12:24:38 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Such a taskmaster!
12:24:42 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : A mater for the Metrics SC then @JZ ;-)
12:25:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : and Yes there are many limitations to measuring interest and engagement
12:27:44 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : On polls: there are useful survey tools that can be used prior to calls; that offer more options and can be answered over a longer period of time. That might be a solution / approach.
12:27:58 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Plenty of limits. We can certainly add an “Abstain” or “Need more time to consider” as poll options. I was just thinking out loud. There’s nothing wrong with just listening on a call, nothing at all.
12:28:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Excellent edit to standard polling idea @JZ THANKS!
12:29:32 From Roberto to Everyone : The question is whether we should avoid doing polls because there are limitations - my opinion is that we should poll, noting the limitations
12:30:10 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : +1 Alan
12:30:22 From Matthias to Everyone : +1 roberto
12:30:27 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Roberto, agreed. But maybe external tools could reduce the limitations
12:30:51 From Roberto to Everyone : +1 to any way to improve, reduce limitations, correct bias
12:31:05 From Bachollet Sebastien - Euralo to Everyone : I am all for polls
12:31:13 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Qualtrics and co just allow a lot more than zoom’s tool and allow those who cannot attend / have to leave, etc to take part
12:31:15 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Provisional ALAC Advice to the ICANN Board on Subsequent Procedures (Comment-only Googledoc): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-79Ih9SkfTDBPT4MkIxJwawFdK3gyXC-pqd4yzxpK1w/edit?usp=sharing
12:31:27 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Also allows everyone to do things in their own time.
12:31:31 From Roberto to Everyone : All I am saying is that to do nothing waiting for the perfect solution is not an option
12:31:33 From Captioner Heather to Everyone : I AM GOOD TO STAY
12:31:41 From avri doria to Everyone : i love seeing your polls, but will not participate in one.
12:31:45 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone : Olivier yes, we have 15 additional mins
12:32:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : fare enough @Avri
12:32:08 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : @Laurin, tools like Slack and Loomio have polling built into discussions which is very helpful. A lot more gets lost on emails than it does on a call, I think.
12:32:31 From avri doria to Everyone : but am part of the body count and add to the remiss count.
12:32:39 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : JZ, yes.
12:32:54 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : However, that might be limiting again … do we have a slack?
12:33:12 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : @Avri, and, as such, you’re unconcerned about whether you’re reported as present on the call, right?
12:33:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : True Avri but as we recognise staff as a SG of a attendance count we can also note specific roles like Board attendees easy enough
12:33:37 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : @ JZ - can that be done easily during a zoom meeting
12:33:57 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : All I am saying is that if polls are meant to help, in-zoom ones have too many weaknesses (and there are good alternatives)
12:34:21 From avri doria to Everyone : Jonathan, actually I like be marked as attending when here.
12:34:38 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : @Laurin we have to make sure the other polls we plan to use are Accessible
12:34:42 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : EPDP Phase 2 Policy Recommendations for Board Consideration: https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+EPDP+Phase+2+Policy+Recommendations+for+Board+Consideration
12:34:43 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : not all polls are
12:34:48 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Interesting, @Avri
12:35:27 From Matthias to Everyone : nis2
12:35:56 From Matthias to Everyone : directive
12:35:57 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : That will be really interesting
12:36:05 From Adam Peake to Everyone : Note, webinar on DSA and NIS2 with representatives of the European Commission https://icann.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_3DjDGwH7Q0KsKLtBYElkBA
12:36:37 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Judith, yes.
12:36:52 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Noted Alan
12:36:52 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : But that is easier with tools that are made for the purpose.
12:38:06 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : I use qualtrics regularly for research. What can be done there in like every way is far more advanced than zoom
12:38:09 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Thanks Adam
12:38:30 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : It should be very much the same with survey monkey even though I use that much less.
12:38:40 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you Adam, I will circulate this on the CPWG list as well
12:38:57 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : @ Heidi/Evin - maybe send out an email to ALAC for those not on this call with the webinar details?
12:39:34 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Noted @Holly, will do - thanks!
12:39:44 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : @ Evin - thanks
12:40:12 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : Sanford University’s Cyber center has been having excellent sessions on the DSA. Here is the replay of the first session From Daphne Keller - The op ed: https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/534411-for-platform-regulation-congress-should-use-a-european-cheat-sheet
From Daphne Keller - The blog post: https://medium.com/freeman-spogli-institute-for-international-studies/six-constitutional-hurdles-for-platform-speech-regulation-b2bf282c0d65
From Eliška Pírková - The link to Access Now’s position papers on DSA: https://www.accessnow.org/eu-digital-services-act/
From Marietje Schaake - Send me an email (mschaake@stanford.edu) if you are interested in receiving Tech Policy Watch, a weekly newsletter with tech policy news from all over the world.
Watch the webinar recording online at: https://youtu.be/oaSHmuhAgwU
12:40:30 From Adam Peake to Everyone : Yes, link to the webinar Elena and David Conrad lead recently https://features.icann.org/event/icann-organization/stakeholder-assembly-icann-perspectives-eu-digital-initiatives
12:40:37 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : They had a second one today and will post that online once they send the recording
12:40:51 From alberto soto to Everyone : Thanks, bye, bye!!!
12:40:59 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : Thank you.
12:41:04 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Thanks Judith - please do
12:41:15 From Matthias to Everyone : thx alan & judith
12:41:15 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Thank you all - bye for now
12:41:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : THANKS ALL... Bye for now!
12:41:26 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : The first one was great and I posted the link to that in my post
12:41:36 From pari esfandiari to Everyone : Thank you everyone and bye till next week..
12:41:38 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : And what about Sydney - AGAIN
12:41:39 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE to Everyone : Thank team and all for this goof meeting
12:41:41 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone : Take care everyone, stay safe and be kind to one another
12:41:41 From Harold Arcos to Everyone : thank you all,,, thanks to our interpreters
12:41:41 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : ok thanks and bye to all
12:41:47 From Adam Peake to Everyone : Thank you, bye
12:41:47 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE to Everyone : bye bye
12:41:51 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you all for your engaging discussion and inputs, as always!
12:41:57 From Sarah Kiden T to Everyone : Interesting call. Thank you all
12:41:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : we don't count Holly
12:42:03 From Marita Moll to Everyone : Wheww -- busy call. Bye all.
12:42:21 From Hanan Khatib to Everyone : Thank you all
12:42:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : it is always the same data
12:42:49 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : Hard to comment on RTT when I don't use it.
12:42:58 From Marita Moll to Everyone : +1
12:43:00 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : +1 Bill
12:43:13 From Roberto to Everyone : Bye all
12:43:15 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : Yes it is always the same thing but we want to show every year how well people like and request it
12:43:15 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone : Bye
12:43:16 From Matthias to Everyone : bye
