Zoom Chat: 2020-03-23 ALS Mobilization Working Party Call

20:42:24 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to ALS Mobilization Working Party Call taking place on Monday, 23 March 2020 at 18:00 UTC.
20:56:44 From Barrack Otieno : Hi colleagues
20:56:54 From Roberto : Hi all
20:56:54 From Barrack Otieno : I hope you are all safe
20:57:11 From Roberto : I am in quarantine, but safe
20:57:41 From Barrack Otieno : same here Roberto
21:00:00 From heidi.ullrich : Welcome, All.
21:07:17 From Barrack Otieno : Happy with the agenda Alan
21:10:10 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : Hello all, sorry for the delay
21:10:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Agree totally
21:11:11 From Bastiaan Goslings : Yes, agree
21:11:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : well Boo who
21:11:22 From Nadira Al Araj : I agree with Ed
21:11:30 From yrjolansipuro : Eduardo, CLO +1
21:11:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : So be it Bye bye
21:12:09 From Nadira Al Araj : These rules are at-large rules, so if ALSes don't like, they are free to leave
21:12:45 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : Agree Nadira
21:12:48 From Alperen Eken : Will ALS application process include Individual Member Application process too?
21:13:26 From Nadira Al Araj : @ Alp Individual members have different track
21:14:25 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : I would like to be one form for all ALS and individual
21:14:33 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : to simplify things
21:14:37 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : @Alperen, different entrance in EURALO, yes
21:14:43 From Nadira Al Araj : would be great if there is uniform process by all RALOs
21:15:01 From Nadira Al Araj : for individual members
21:15:22 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : To me the form needs to be one form across all regions - its silly that there are 6 forms
21:15:25 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : good point @Nadira, good goal
21:15:51 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : but not every RALO have an opportunity to meet individuals
21:16:01 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : has*
21:17:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I am confident there will be sufficient core matters relating to Ind Members that we can get a resulting harmonisation, but that is not this groups mandate... I wouls like to think many in the group will contribute to that effort thugh...
21:19:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Come back to me as 1st speaker in discussion
21:20:53 From Judith Hellerstein : yes
21:22:14 From Judith Hellerstein : no problem with that
21:24:13 From Jacqueline Morris : Executive leadership, that is what we mean here, right?
21:24:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Ye @Jaquiline as I read the examples it is an executive role
21:25:04 From Raymond Mamattah (ICANN67 Fellow) : Why not, it should be allowed. It should not be a problem
21:25:07 From Justine Chew : Perhaps we should be exhaustive and not use "etc".
21:25:36 From Barrack Otieno : +1 Justine
21:25:57 From Roberto : It is not really a conflict of interest, but to my taste it does not look good
21:26:23 From Bastiaan Goslings : An ALS Prim (or Sec) Rep is not the same as having an At-Large leadership position
21:26:26 From David Mackey : yes, that’s a good question Alan
21:26:48 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : Does Leader within other group include the GAC representative ?
21:27:33 From Jacqueline Morris : I don't think it's a conflict of interest. The ALS rep is supposed to be the conduit between the RALO and the ALS.
21:27:48 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : @Cheryl: So it will not cover leading a working group?
21:28:31 From Jacqueline Morris : There's also the concern that smaller ALSes might have to use the same person under multiple hats.
21:28:47 From Nadira Al Araj : If the ALS primary executive has no role in ALAC/RALO then I don't see any problem to allow him/her to take a leadership in any other ICANN SO/ACs
21:29:01 From Jacqueline Morris : +1 Nadira
21:29:39 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : +1 @Nadira
21:31:28 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : I am not sure what is the diff between operational and administrative?
21:31:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Not administarive
21:31:49 From Jacqueline Morris : @Eduardo - Neither am I
21:31:55 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it was organisational
21:32:43 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Then I am OK with it
21:32:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : this is just the ALS rep NOT a Leadership role beyond that
21:33:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Again the words count here
21:33:11 From Bastiaan Goslings : @Cheryl: exactly
21:33:25 From ali almeshal : ALS rep is fine but not leader
21:33:34 From Jacqueline Morris : I think that "Representatives" should be able to participate freely in ICANN, but any Leadership role should be singular.
21:33:52 From Jacqueline Morris : I believe it's wrong
21:33:56 From Bastiaan Goslings : I believe it is wrong too
21:34:06 From Jacqueline Morris : Yes
21:35:10 From Bastiaan Goslings : No - I am saying its is ok
21:35:19 From Bastiaan Goslings : Thasnks
21:35:22 From Bastiaan Goslings : ;-)
21:36:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Agree totally @Jaquiline at this level it should be wide open... Beyond the ALS Rep role that is my cut off poit for SOME things
21:36:49 From Jacqueline Morris : Yes
21:37:23 From Jacqueline Morris : Yes
21:37:32 From Nadira Al Araj : yes
21:37:46 From Raymond Mamattah (ICANN67 Fellow) : Yes, it is ok. these are 2 different constituencies within ICANN
21:37:53 From Roberto : Should be the same as for leader, so YES
21:37:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : here the word Council is an issue as well
21:38:10 From Bastiaan Goslings : I agree Ed: is the Policy Council the same as our CPWG?
21:39:24 From Nadira Al Araj : yes
21:40:06 From Judith Hellerstein : yes
21:40:30 From Bastiaan Goslings : Comparable to being a leader from another group: I am ‘ok’ with this
21:40:43 From Roberto : +1 Bastiaan
21:40:44 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : OK for this
21:40:46 From Judith Hellerstein : i think this is ok
21:44:00 From Jacqueline Morris : I think it's OK
21:45:07 From Nadira Al Araj : Can we edit the title of the table
21:45:37 From David Mackey : +1 Cheryl
21:45:39 From Nadira Al Araj : To add ALS Rep and not in any of ALAC/RALO LT
21:47:03 From Judith Hellerstein : i agree with eduardo
21:47:10 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Fair enough
21:48:01 From Judith Hellerstein : yes have to formally declare
21:48:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : YES Declaration IN an updated and true SOI is essential for ALL
21:48:40 From Raymond Mamattah (ICANN67 Fellow) : No, they dont need to declare any such information. We are trying to make this ALS representative look more than being an ICANN CEO
21:48:47 From Roberto : I think they should declare - the problem is that we cannot enforce it
21:49:26 From ali almeshal : declare Yes
21:49:27 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : I think that in all instances (except None) the person should declare.
21:49:33 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : We can`t enforce, but will ask to declare
21:49:52 From Nadira Al Araj : yes to declare
21:49:58 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Totally Agree
21:49:59 From David Mackey : I agree with Cheryl
21:50:48 From Nadira Al Araj : even to provide a form to update of their status
21:51:28 From yrjolansipuro : +1 to declaration
21:51:47 From Jacqueline Morris : Q: Are ALS reps required to file an SOI with At Large?
21:51:48 From Judith Hellerstein : that is what we do with the ccwg-auction proceeds
21:52:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : only name and shanle @ROberto
21:52:17 From Judith Hellerstein : with auction proceeds they could not join as a member
21:52:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : the balance between good faith and expectations
21:52:59 From Jacqueline Morris : No problem
21:52:59 From Barrack Otieno : happy with it
21:53:07 From Roberto : OK
21:53:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : VERY happy if the table also exosts as an appendix as well
21:54:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : (that way when other work moves into where there could, should or must be exclusions and limitations a similar table tool can be used
21:54:51 From Nadira Al Araj : +1 Cheryl
21:56:27 From Bastiaan Goslings : Do we currently have ALSs that are also voting members of some other part(s) of ICANN?
21:56:55 From Judith Hellerstein : yes bastien we do. many of them are also members of npoc
21:57:07 From Bastiaan Goslings : Ok - thanks Judith
21:57:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and they could be Members of NCUC or NSCG
21:57:30 From Judith Hellerstein : many Isoc chapters are also members of npoc
21:57:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : as Orgs
21:58:01 From Nadira Al Araj : It is OK can contribute but it is not good to be voting in both
21:58:05 From Bastiaan Goslings : @Judith: member = _voting_ member?
21:58:18 From Judith Hellerstein : yes bastien
21:58:26 From Bastiaan Goslings : Ok thanks again
21:59:03 From Nadira Al Araj : +1 Alan
21:59:13 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : to Vote in one place i guess
21:59:15 From Jacqueline Morris : OK to both
21:59:21 From Judith Hellerstein : sorry Bastiaan for spelling your name wrong
21:59:36 From Bastiaan Goslings : no sweat ;-)
22:00:57 From Nadira Al Araj : OK for row#2 but Not OK for row#3
22:02:01 From Judith Hellerstein : i am ok for both
22:02:08 From Jacqueline Morris : But both of those examples are in the same ICANN area - as opposed to voting in At Large and GNSO
22:02:39 From Jacqueline Morris : +1 Cheryl
22:02:58 From Roberto : Can contribute in both but cannot vote in both - so “NO” to the last row
22:03:02 From Judith Hellerstein : yes npoc and at large are different constituencies
22:03:13 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : row2 - ok row3 - no
22:03:18 From Nadira Al Araj : +1 Roberto
22:03:23 From Judith Hellerstein : so OK to both
22:03:41 From Judith Hellerstein : I agree with Cheryl
22:04:04 From Judith Hellerstein : so people who are Isoc chapters mean they have to choose where they are active and I think that is wrong
22:04:13 From Barrack Otieno : row 2 ok, row 3 no for me
22:04:17 From Judith Hellerstein : we need to attract people to at large not detract people
22:04:29 From Jacqueline Morris : +1 Judith
22:04:39 From Nadira Al Araj : if allowing voting in two different ICANN entities it bad to the multi-stakeholder model
22:04:39 From ali almeshal : 2 Okay , 3 No
22:04:49 From Roberto : @Judith - people can be active but not vote
22:04:59 From Barrack Otieno : True @Judith
22:05:16 From Roberto : Remember what Eimar Stefferud used to say…
22:05:30 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : +1 Roberto
22:05:40 From David Mackey : yes, please do
22:05:58 From Judith Hellerstein : yes but people may decide not to be active then
22:06:25 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Thanks for the discussion. Hear you all next during the next meeting
22:06:29 From Bastiaan Goslings : Re row 3: I abstain
22:06:39 From Judith Hellerstein : i do not want to give up voting rights. that is wrong
22:06:46 From Nadira Al Araj : The second option sound be OK
22:07:28 From Roberto : Sorry I have another commitment
22:07:31 From Roberto : Bye
22:08:54 From David Mackey : k, that’s useful information. thx
22:09:05 From Bastiaan Goslings : I too have to go, we’re already close to 10mins over time
22:09:08 From Nadira Al Araj : NPOC as well
22:09:14 From Judith Hellerstein : most Isoc chapters are members of NPOC
22:09:24 From Jacqueline Morris : Yes, Judith.
22:09:29 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : sorry have to leave
22:09:54 From heidi.ullrich : Staff support for the other groups might be able to help identify ALS members who are active in other SOACSGs.
22:10:17 From David Mackey : thank you Heidi. That information might be helpful.
22:11:02 From yrjolansipuro : Good idea to have the staff to find out the actual sitaution
22:11:23 From heidi.ullrich : Will do, Alan
22:11:24 From Alperen Eken : OK
22:11:31 From Barrack Otieno : True Yrjo
22:11:48 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : @Heidi great, thanks. But better members be open to declare-)
22:11:53 From David Mackey : thanks all
22:11:57 From ali almeshal : bye and thanks
22:11:58 From Jacqueline Morris : Thanks, bye.
22:12:00 From Nadira Al Araj : thank you
22:12:03 From Filina Natalia (Euralo Secretary) : thanks Alan, all!
22:12:05 From silvia.vivanco : Thanks all
22:12:08 From Barrack Otieno : thanks all bye stay safe
22:12:10 From heidi.ullrich : Bye, all