15:29:09 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Thursday, 09 May 2019 at 13:00 UTC.
15:29:23 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/tomGBg
15:46:25 From Vrikson Acosta : Hello
15:47:24 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome Vrikson
15:51:24 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
15:51:24 From Vrikson Acosta : I can hear the testing of audio
15:51:42 From Evin Erdoğdu to Yesim Nazlar (Privately) : Could you please give me the CC pod for AIs canım?
15:52:48 From Yesim Nazlar to Evin Erdoğdu (Privately) : done canım
15:52:54 From Evin Erdoğdu to Yesim Nazlar (Privately) : Sağol
15:54:12 From Yesim Nazlar to Evin Erdoğdu (Privately) : rica ederim
15:59:37 From Rudi Daniel : hi all :)
16:00:38 From ALBERTO SOTO : Hola a todos, hello everyone!!
16:03:11 From Vrikson Acosta : Yes Oliver, I hear you
16:03:20 From ALBERTO SOTO : yes OCL
16:04:53 From hadia Elminiawi : hello all
16:04:59 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : Hi all
16:05:48 From Judith Hellerstein : Sorry I was late
16:06:57 From hadia Elminiawi : I am here
16:10:27 From Evin Erdoğdu : Welcome Hadia
16:10:34 From Evin Erdoğdu : And Judith, John
16:10:36 From Evin Erdoğdu : :)
16:10:56 From Judith Hellerstein : It is the number 188
16:11:15 From Judith Hellerstein : Staff please mute the 1888 line
16:12:01 From christopher wilkinson : I should be prepared to volunteer for the Evolutions of the Multi-Stakeholder model, should addition input be desired.
16:13:41 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : I support Sebastien
16:13:54 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : Seb is not clear
16:13:55 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you @CW
16:14:00 From Greg Shatan : Hi, all.
16:14:06 From Evin Erdoğdu : Welcome, Greg!
16:15:24 From Greg Shatan : What was the question?
16:19:24 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you @Yeşim
16:19:51 From AlanGreenberg : Did I miss EPDP or is it deferred?
16:21:34 From Harold Arcos to Yesim Nazlar (Privately) : Hello Yesim,,,May I request a dial out to +584129982820 by ES?
16:22:22 From Yesim Nazlar to Harold Arcos (Privately) : Hi Harold, sure - we’ll dial-out to you
16:23:34 From Evin Erdoğdu : Alan, the EPDP section was moved till after the PC updates
16:23:41 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you for joining
16:23:53 From Judith Hellerstein : It is the line that is titled 1888552346 lines that is problematic
16:24:00 From Abdias IPANDETEC : Sorry for the delay guys
16:29:14 From Sergio salinas porto : hola a todos y todas/ hi everyone
16:29:27 From Sergio salinas porto : Now in zoom!
16:30:10 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hola Sergio!
16:30:15 From A-Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Are we adding any issues to the ones that are already there?
16:31:37 From AlanGreenberg : Lack of trust is a major issue and deserves more fleshing out.
16:34:57 From Vrikson Acosta : What are Silos?
16:36:19 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : @Vrikson: To Silo: isolate (one system, process, department, etc.) from others.
16:37:50 From Liz Orembo : some these issues are overlapping. is there a way of combining them when identifying key issues to comment on?
16:38:46 From Vrikson Acosta : So, if I understood right, Silos can, and are, use, by nespotic people to keep their own in, do no real rotation of new people, keep getting travel, funds, training, opportunities, etc. If that is so, I do know what it means.
16:41:08 From AlanGreenberg : The main issue re silos is that each group (silo) only focuses on their own issues and may be oblivious of what is going on elsewhere and does not even care to know.
16:41:59 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : indeed Alan
16:42:01 From Sivasubramanian M : Capture is a discussion that needs to continue
16:42:10 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : This deck should be disseminated widely
16:43:06 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : so has the results of the diversity survey done earlier this year been published ?
16:43:06 From A-Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Before saying Capture we need to define what capture is and how it can be identify when it happens. Most of what I see is not capture but the result of group thinking
16:43:36 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : I do agree with Alan. LAck of trust is he major issue
16:44:07 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : It should be actively disseminated to the RALOs and ALSs for discussion and comment.
16:44:07 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : the
16:45:05 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO3) : this is an opportunity to identify... correct Alan
16:45:06 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : Making available is not just posting a link; it's promoting this across the community as a engagement topic
16:45:10 From A-Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : My question is if we were going to add issues not if we can add them.
16:45:46 From Evin Erdoğdu : I think so, but will check
16:45:48 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : Some of the results were published
16:45:51 From Sivasubramanian M : Yes Eduardo. We could define "capture" as a seen and unseen "take-over", of the ICANN Organizations as a whole, or in parts, entirely or partially. What is likely is partial capture of the organization, in a manner that is not easily noticeable, yet resulting in significant influence over the policy decisions and operations.
16:45:54 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : GSE right?
16:46:06 From AlanGreenberg : I cannot stay past the hour, so would like to get to EPDP before that.
16:46:17 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : the name of the survey was age diversity and participation survey
16:46:38 From Vrikson Acosta : Could that mentioned "lack of trust" be due nepotism issues, not only in this but other related organizations, say ISOC? [thinking aloud, but the question could be answered]
16:46:39 From Sivasubramanian M : Partial capture of the whole or part of the organization, in a manner that is not easily noticeable.
16:47:10 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : I have an idea to contribute but it would good to see the survey
16:47:26 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : yes we can
16:47:35 From hadia Elminiawi : yes alan
16:47:50 From Vrikson Acosta : See you on june 4th, if there's electricity at that time, as well as other minimum living conditions here in Narnia
16:47:52 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : oops sorry Hadia -- I saw your hand after Alan started discussing
16:49:11 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : https://www.icann.org/news/blog/capacity-development-community-survey-results
16:49:19 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you @John
16:52:12 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : thanks @john but this isn’t the survey I was asking about but these surveys results should be published together - for eg there was a gender survey last year
16:53:15 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : so these community surveys could be studied in conjunction with the enhancing Multistakeholder community
16:53:41 From AlanGreenberg : There was an age impact survey just recently.
16:54:47 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : Dev: was the sample frame the same? Otherwise we'd have to be careful with a an "apples to dragonfruit" comparison
16:56:52 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : hmm well the surveys were conducted separately - there is that risk that some may have responded more than others
16:57:20 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : I don’t know why the surveys were separated
16:57:38 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : There's that but were they looking at the same populations?
16:58:23 From hadia Elminiawi : True it depends who is talking it doers not really matter
16:59:14 From ALBERTO SOTO : raise hand
17:00:07 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : @Aberto you will be after GReg
17:00:23 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : @john - the surveys were anonymous - the early survey did publish some details as to who responded - what region, what stakeholder group etc
17:02:10 From AlanGreenberg : Have to leave now. Thanks all.
17:02:11 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : Understood. My question was methodological. Even before we look at who responded, we have to inquire about who was asked.
17:03:41 From hadia Elminiawi : yes
17:03:44 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you Alan
17:03:55 From Greg Shatan : GDPR does tend to use disclosure in connection with providing data to third parties, and access in connection with providing data to the data subject.
17:04:25 From Greg Shatan : But I think the “battle” in the EPDP is much more loaded than that.
17:05:56 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : got disconnected - unfortunately the chat is no longer visible to me
17:06:11 From ALBERTO SOTO : Sorry, I must leave our meeting. Regards!
17:06:27 From Judith Hellerstein : HI Dev, it will be posted after the call
17:06:42 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : @Dev: one of the problems of Zoom is that it does not have chat history when you get Zoom
17:07:18 From Judith Hellerstein : I agree with these issues
17:07:22 From A-Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Eliminate #3
17:07:47 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted @Ed
17:08:07 From hadia Elminiawi : I agree with Eduardo
17:08:09 From Judith Hellerstein : Yes I agree with eduardo
17:08:16 From hadia Elminiawi : @Eduardo +1
17:08:27 From Jose R. Lebron : ] agree
17:08:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and do remember this meeting is a 'Policy' meeting
17:08:47 From A-Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Cheryl +1
17:08:50 From Sivasubramanian M : Or in place of 3) we could suggest a review of ICANN Board's responsiveness to ALAC and GAC advise
17:09:10 From A-Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Siva we need to reduce the list to 4 points
17:09:29 From Sivasubramanian M : Thanks Eduardo
17:09:44 From Sivasubramanian M : IN that case your suggestion is good
17:11:33 From Greg Shatan : Back in the old days, popular songs came out on 45 rpm singles, with the expected HIT on the A Side, and a lesser song on the B Side.
17:12:17 From Greg Shatan : Thus my reference to making #3 a “B-Side” rather than a HIT.
17:13:21 From A-Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : You can take a poll
17:13:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Exactly @Greg as ever I love your metaphores
17:13:42 From Greg Shatan : I never metaphor I didn’t like....
17:13:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : LOL
17:14:07 From A-Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : ok
17:14:16 From Greg Shatan : And I didn’t mean to overlook your Boffinhood on reviews, CLO!
17:15:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : appreciated @Greg (adjusting my mantel)
17:15:48 From Harold Arcos to Yesim Nazlar (Privately) : apologies Yesim, I lost my signal again,,
17:15:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : correct OCL
17:16:13 From Yesim Nazlar to Harold Arcos (Privately) : yes, ADIGO said that they’re redialing you
17:18:07 From Greg Shatan : @CLO, will your council liaison hat fit over your review boffin mantle?
17:19:59 From Yesim Nazlar to Harold Arcos (Privately) : Hi Harold - ADIGO is still trying, they reach voicemail unfortunately but keep trying
17:20:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it makes for interesting fashion, but of course @Greg even if it is colouful at times even clashing
17:21:10 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted @Olivier
17:21:19 From Evin Erdoğdu : For next week’s agenda as well
17:22:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Well I am already biased by kniwing the LONG klist of topics already in front of the ICANN 64 Meeting planning WG
17:22:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : way to many on the cull list already for available time
17:22:46 From Harold Arcos to Yesim Nazlar (Privately) : ready,,,thanks a lot
17:23:06 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : SeB I gather JZ is planning on a small team approach to develop the TPs
17:23:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : so YES sounds like good list fodder and Agenda Item for next call
17:23:56 From Yesim Nazlar to Harold Arcos (Privately) : great!
17:24:05 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted @Greg
17:24:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : PDP 3.0 needs doscission at some point agreed @Greg
17:24:29 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : Good intervention from Greg and Cheryl is right, there's a full docket
17:24:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : nothing public / Official as yet
17:24:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : that is to come
17:25:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Deffinatly one to watch and prepare for
17:25:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : a good internal topic @Greg
17:27:34 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : sry must leave for another meeting
17:27:59 From Greg Shatan : It concerns me that PDP 3.0 discussions have been very tightly held. There’s a certain “turf protection” aspect to this that makes me uncomfortable.
17:28:10 From hadia Elminiawi : thank you all, I shall need to leave now
17:28:16 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you Hadia
17:28:47 From Abdias IPANDETEC : May 15?
17:29:57 From Nadira Al Araj : happy Cheryl that you brought this up
17:30:22 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Yes Wednesday May 15th
17:30:26 From christopher wilkinson : I would have to give priority to WT5.
17:31:09 From Nadira Al Araj : Why have this meeting changed from Wednesday
17:31:30 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : because there was a clash with ATLAS III Webinars on Wendesday
17:33:02 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : I think we better go with Thursday
17:33:19 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : have to leave the call - take care all
17:33:40 From A-Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : or skip next weeks meeting
17:33:48 From A-Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : weeks=week
17:35:01 From Greg Shatan : CLO/OCL = Multitasking Multistakeholders Extraordinaire! :-)
17:35:20 From Rudi Daniel : thank you All.
17:35:23 From Judith Hellerstein : Bye all
17:35:24 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you all, as always!
17:35:25 From Kaili Kan : Bye!
17:35:26 From Gordon Chillcott : Thanks and bye for now.
17:35:34 From Harold Arcos to Yesim Nazlar (Privately) : thank you our interpreters!!
17:35:35 From Abdias IPANDETEC : Goodbye from Panama guys
17:35:38 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : I was joking re: chairing other calls simultaneously
17:35:40 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : ;-)
17:35:41 From Harold Arcos : thank you our interpreters!!
17:35:44 From Harold Arcos : bye bye
17:35:55 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : bye

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