FUTURE CHALLENGES WG CHAT: 6 JUNE 2011
Seth Greene: WG ON FUTURE CHALLENGES: 6 JUNE 2011 CHAT
Seth Greene: Please note that links expected to be needed during this call can be found in the pod at the lower left.
JJS: hello
Tijani: Hi Jean Jacques
Tijani: Hi everyone
JJS: can you hear me now?
JJS: will hang up, pls call back
JJS: am back
Gisella Gruber: please note we will start the dial-out to the other members now in order to start this call on time
Seth Greene: Hi, Tijani.
Dave Kissoondoyal: Hello everyone
Seth Greene: Hello, Dave. So you will be able to join us?
Dave Kissoondoyal: Seth, I have already joined the call
Dave Kissoondoyal: thanks for making the correction
Danny Younger: could someone remind me of the mute and un-mute buttons?
CLO: he is on the call now yes
Gisella Gruber: *6 to mute and *7 to unmute
Danny Younger: thanks
Evan Leibovitch: I feel for Jean Jacques ... I know what it feels like to have Adobe Connect problems :-)
CLO: I also found if I'm connected to a router via cable as opposed to WiFi that also helps
CLO: Yet seems ok on mobile app (go figure)
CLO: Agenda is fine
Danny Younger: agenda ok
Dave Kissoondoyal: Yes Agenda OK
CLO: Particularly a STANDING - WG
Evan Leibovitch: mmm.... edible phone.
Carlton Samuels: Hi everyone
Carlton Samuels: I'm multitasking so will not hav emy 'ears' on..
Seth Greene: Hello, Carlton.
Evan Leibovitch: if a mailing list archiove is publicly readable there is no reason for it not to be.
Gisella Gruber: Marc Rotenberg has joined
Danny Younger: welcome Marc
CLO: Hi Marc
Dave Kissoondoyal: Thanks Seth for the weblinks 2 - It is really helpful
Seth Greene: Jean-Jaques, will do.
Seth Greene: You're welcome, Dave.
Marc Rotenberg: Hi, all
Evan Leibovitch: Hi Marc
Dave Kissoondoyal: Hello Marc
JJS: Marc, got your e-mail, did not reply because I noticed you're now on Adobe. Welcome!
Evan Leibovitch: Carlton: talking about the need/role of liaison
CLO: 2.2.4 LiaisonA Member of the Chartering Organization (CO) may be appointed to serve as a Liaison to the Working Group. The role of the Liaison consists of reporting to the CO on a regular basis on the progress of the Working Group; assisting the Chair as required with his/her knowledge of WG processes and practices; taking back to the CO any questions or queries the WG might have in relation to its charter and mission; and, assisting or intervening when the WG faces challenges or problems. The liaison is expected to fulfill the liaison role in neutral manner, monitor the discussions of the Working Group and assist and inform the Chair and the WG as required.
CLO: NEUTRALITY here is a key word IMO
Danny Younger: Agree. The Chartering organization appoints. The WG does not select.
CLO: Corrtect Danny'
CLO: it is the FORMAL connection role between CO and WG
CLO: yup just advice and heads uo and proposals to go to the ALAC
Evan Leibovitch: Arguably the Liaison is done by ALAC on the advice of teh WG chair
Marc Rotenberg: May I suggest a streamlined approach for the WG/
Marc Rotenberg: JJS as Chair would be the only officer and as chair of the committe he would report back to ALAC?
Darlene Thompson: Who is speaking? I cannot understand a word
Tijani: I don't hear JJ
Evan Leibovitch: +1 Marc, though I would suggest an alternate. People get sick
Tijani: now is better
CLO: 2.2.1 ChairThe purpose of a Chair is to call meetings, preside over working group deliberations, manage the process so that all participants have the opportunity to contribute, and report the results of the Working Group to the Chartering Organization. The Chair should underscore the importance of achieving overall representational balance on any sub-teams that are formed. The Chair should make it clear that participation on sub-teams is open to all and he/she should encourage representational balance to the degree possible. However, it should be understood that there will not always be volunteers from every interest group and that it is often acceptable to have a small sub-team that is not totally representational perform an initial role that will later be reviewed by a broader more representational group. In those cases where initially there is insufficient balance, the Chair should make a special outreach effort to those groups not represented. In all cases where the Chair believes that one set of interest
Marc Rotenberg: We should trust JJS as chair to make an appropriate temporary designation
CLO: same goairs for Co-Ch
Evan Leibovitch: OK. I'm OK with what Marc has proposed.
CLO: same goes for Co-Chairs
Dave Kissoondoyal: We have to be careful here..what happens if we go for a liaison and the concept itself is not accepted by ALAC
Evan Leibovitch: Is there an icon for "indifferent"?
Marc Rotenberg: +1 ;->
CLO: Can we set up a Vote Poll for the next section please staff
CLO: If not I'll do it the 'normal way'
CLO: but a vote pod woupld be preferred
Darlene Thompson: What exactly are we voting on now???
CLO: Use of light structure with Co Chairs
Darlene Thompson: Good - that's what I like
JJS: (I will abstain)
Evan Leibovitch: me too
Marc Rotenberg: and me
Evan Leibovitch: (I've actually been in an election where "no vote" won)
Darlene Thompson: That's pretty sad, Evan!
Darlene Thompson: Is that like choosing "none of the above"?
Evan Leibovitch: Oh, I was involved in it, not a candidate thankfully :-)
Danny Younger: as I have no way to evaluate the relative merits of the candidates, as no candidate statements have been offered, I too will abstain from this vote
JJS: hello?
JJS: (Staff, I'm not sure my telephone link is still working?)
Evan Leibovitch: cheryl is talking
JJS: can't hear a thing
Dave Kissoondoyal: I have done mine but the box remains on the screen
JJS: so: Staff, I'll hang up, could you call me back? Thanks.
Darlene Thompson: They'll call you back JJ
Evan Leibovitch: We're asking Gisella to call you back
Gisella Gruber: JJS - we are calling you now
Darlene Thompson: Does there need to be a "submit" button?
JJS: I'm back on the call, thanks.
Evan Leibovitch: o
Evan Leibovitch: no
Dave Kissoondoyal: I have voted but cannot confirm that my vote was accepted
Evan Leibovitch: there is no confirmation
Evan Leibovitch: this is not the most sophisticated of voting processes :-)
CLO: Seth is sending me the tallys then
CLO: JJS: 2. Evan: 1. Marc: 1.[7:55:50 AM] Seth Greene: JJS: 7. EL: 6. MR: 1
CLO: the guidelines were wrtitten to be generically applicable for all open WG's in ICANN
CLO: they allow for use of only those that arnte releva
CLO: those that are relevent they are guidelines not rules
CLO: and it saces the time of making our own'
CLO: slect from these that have been robustly debated and gained wide community support
Danny Younger: I would appreciate a "bracketed text" approach to this charter modification; with such an approach we can probably wrap up the Charter within a few days
CLO: Charter can include the overarching ourpose of the WG
CLO: ourpose = purpose
CLO: and allow for flexability that way
CLO: WG can be tasked woth that sort of outreach/ survey integration and input back to ALAC => ICANN yes can be clearly purposed
CLO: Look forward to seeing this neep of Charter development
Danny Younger: acceptable
Evan Leibovitch: me too
CLO: Can I ask do you (as a WG) wish to set a 'point in time' that your draft will be coming to the ALAC? at Singapore after then August 26th? when ???
Danny Younger: works for me
Danny Younger: CLO, a few days will be sufficient
JJS: Cheryl, I was coming to that (timeline)
Evan Leibovitch: I'm hoping for sooner, but I'll do what ICANN
Evan Leibovitch: What I'd like to do (as JJS suggests) is create a wiki page that reflects the merger of Danny and my charter visions as a publicly visible work-in-progress
CLO: an important role for a liaison in this WG would be to give the heads up to the ALAC that a change in Charter might need to be soon considered and is expected to soon come to the ALAC from the WG
Danny Younger: sounds good
Darlene Thompson: Question: I had thought that when changes are made to the wiki, we are supposed to get notified? I have not received any notifications
CLO: and make sure it gets the right time on the ALAC Agenda (working with the ALAC Chair of course)
CLO: Darlene you need to select that as a option for each page do the watch this page toggle (email symbol) to turn on and off
CLO: next to the favourite this page star symbol
Darlene Thompson: OK - thanks!
Danny Younger: I think that we can be ready by the end of the week
CLO: must be logged in to do that of course Darlene
CLO: SO we could look at this in the Singapore Agenda then
Evan Leibovitch: and, Tijani, I share your concerns about this.
Evan Leibovitch: It's my hope that at least a working draft will be done well in advance.
Darlene Thompson: I like monthly
CLO: rotation is OK as log as you realise that the same poeple who won't work out of hours still do not turn up any way
CLO: thus the need for multi tool use approach YES
Dave Kissoondoyal: I like the rotation of time zone -- now it is 02:18 am here and perhaps next time, it will be earlier for me
CLO: It is also a good thing e a practice that no reult agreement or outcome is fixed until 2 meetings happen
Danny Younger: I will not be participating on future calls until such time as Spanish translation services are provided to our members.
JJS: Olivier, would you / could you please speak to the point brought up by Danny?
CLO: Why just Spanish
Evan Leibovitch: That's what I was wonderng...
CLO: we guages (or 4ureHEN WE OFFER this feat
CLO: or 4 when we offee this feature
JJS: we'll need an interpreter for Cheryl's typing ? ;-)
CLO: My ? wa why just ES
CLO: yes you do
CLO: that is my laptop is cuts and pasts random;y
Darlene Thompson: Good point, Olivier
Evan Leibovitch: I believe that Berlitz offers a course in reading Charyl. It partially involves breaking the Caps Lock key.
CLO: But that current member has a role that demands he be able to work in EN
CLO: all ALAC reps MUST be able to work in EN and Sergio was supposed to be able to before he was appointed Sylvia got her EN skills up he did not
CLO: if he was a regional leaader then my sympathies would be different Danny'
CLO: he is ALAC rep
Dave Kissoondoyal: Without discrediting any member , Tijani and me are from French Speaking Countries but when we join a WG, we make efforts to communicate in English
Evan Leibovitch: Add in JJS and Olivier, and almost half this call might prefer this call to be en Français
Dave Kissoondoyal: @Evan +1
Evan Leibovitch: BTW, in my comments earlier I expressed hope that we could make greater use of polls and surveys to help guague public attitudes and views. These surveys can be more easily translated than conference calls,
Darlene Thompson: +1 Evan
CLO: yup agree Evan
Tijani: +1 Evan
Evan Leibovitch: Many of use were amaed to find out that At-Large is one of the only groups to get ANY translation in calls and meetings. I myself was amazed that even the GAC is not translated.
CLO: yes 90 mins is a good aim for duration
CLO: I can give you all a long reason physiologically why this is so one day
CLO: ++++ to that Marc
Evan Leibovitch: Is it appropriate -- and useful -- to refer to some of the extensive poling of ALSs that was done before the At-Large Summit?
CLO: Yes good baseline date may as well use it then we can follow up to compare
CLO: working with and engageing the Regions that way
Evan Leibovitch: JJS: you're breaking up again.
Seth Greene: Jean-Jacques, quite difficult to hear you.
CLO: need also to look to the results of the more recent survey as well Darlene and Dave can sub tean there afor t I'd have thou
CLO: thought
Seth Greene: Jean-Jacques, have lost your voice totally.
Seth Greene: Please repeat what you said, would you?
Seth Greene: We will set up wiki page for this function.
Dave Kissoondoyal: JJS still breaking up
Danny Younger: agreeable to me
JJS: Evan, please assume chair, I'll hang up. Please call back.
Dave Kissoondoyal: Agree to JJS
JJS: I'm back
Evan Leibovitch: Actually Darlene, you probably know more about that data than anyone.
Danny Younger: input from President's Strategic Committee should be included
Gisella Gruber: JJS i back
JJS: yes Danny
Evan Leibovitch: tijani: maybe this group, in anticipation of the Summit, may be able to advance end-user-focused initiatives.
JJS: Olivier, yes that's it
JJS: Evan after Olivier
Evan Leibovitch: I like Danny's idea of rerouting funds from one of the regional registrar meetings, but am unsure of its reception elsewhere in ICANN.
Danny Younger: it is sufficient that the alac is aware of the development
Dave Kissoondoyal: We have ALSes from the developing countries and since we are looking at the future challenges, it is appropriate that this WG contributes to the statement
Seth Greene: The wiki page exists, Olivier. With Danny's first draft.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: excellent.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: thanks - so if the WG agrees - then staff can send out the call for comments
CLO: Thank YOU JJS
Darlene Thompson: Thank YOU JJ!
Danny Younger: Thank you, Jean Jacques -- good meeting
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Thanks very much, JJS!
Marc Rotenberg: Yes, thx, JJS!
Evan Leibovitch: C'etait un grand plaisir d'etre ici.... merci!
CLO: Thanks all
Dave Kissoondoyal: Thanks a lot JJS , Evan , CLO and all
