Terri Agnew:Dear all, Welcome to the At-Large Ad-hoc WG on the Transition of US Government Stewardship of the IANA Function call on the 14th January 2015 at 13:30 UTC
Terri Agnew:meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/-JEQAw
Jimmy Schulz:Hi everyone
Terri Agnew: Action items 08 January 2015: https://community.icann.org/x/nI4QAw
Terri Agnew:IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group Issues Proposal Assembly and Finalization Process and Updated Transition Process Timeline: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-01-07-en
Alan Greenberg:Finally in!
Terri Agnew:• Consolidated RIR IANA Stewardship Proposal Team (CRISP Team): https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team
Terri Agnew:At-Large Ad-hoc WG on the Transition of US Government Stewardship of the IANA Function : https://community.icann.org/x/OYThAg
Terri Agnew:Last Call for comments on IETF Transition proposal: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/cwg-stewardship/2014-November/000721.html
Seun Ojedeji:finaly indeed ;-)
Terri Agnew:Update on RFP4 activities: https://community.icann.org/x/EyrxAg
Terri Agnew:Update on RFP5 activities: https://community.icann.org/x/FSrxAg
Terri Agnew:@Cheryl, we are unable to hear you
Terri Agnew:Welcome Janvier Ngnoulaye
Seun Ojedeji:yeah i saw that message too
Janvier Ngnoulaye:Thanks Terri
Fatima Cambronero:Stress Test Scenarios https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QVC12Q-NuB35pyaBirUDF85DBR_oFHkEYC5vbWu04go/edit#
Seun Ojedeji:from Robert: As the RFP4 chair - I ask that the RFP3b group please also try to identify transition implications. A wholly owned subsidiary would have certain requirements - such as a separate board, perhaps separate budget. How that gets dealt with would need to be detailed in the proposal...
Terri Agnew:CWG-RFP3B: https://community.icann.org/x/EJEQAw
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thanks Seun
Seun Ojedeji:I am loosing audio
Terri Agnew:Eduardo is on telephone
Seun Ojedeji:can you add more volume Cheryl ;-)
Fatima Cambronero:+1 @Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:such IANA operations reports are,already made public ... Rem member we aware looking at a design for Oversite not IANA Operations
Janvier Ngnoulaye:Yes @ Cheryl: we are looking a design for Oversite not IANA Operations
Jimmy Schulz:Not only a veto but maybe the right to turn back if we are not satisfied
Fatima Cambronero:are we discussing the RFP3B or not? sorry I don't understand
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Fatima: yes that's what wea re doing
Seun Ojedeji:but i thought MRT will be from the AC/SOs?
Fatima Cambronero:but in the RFP3B we don't have problem with the CSC or MRT, right?
Terri Agnew:Welcome Loris Taylor
Loris Taylor:Thank you. On travel and thought I had the time zone figured out, but didn't.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Fatima: they may be slightly different - ie. take different functions
Fatima Cambronero:understood. thanks
Seun Ojedeji:i just lost audio
Terri Agnew:@Seun, we are dialing back out to you
Seun Ojedeji:can i be re-dialed
Seun Ojedeji:thanks
Seun Ojedeji:okay back
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Seun: we'll come back to you after Alan
Jimmy Schulz:agreed
Seun Ojedeji:agree on that @Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:it seems we are all in agreement on these principles... and Edwardo remember in an MRT entity we can have / should have seats allocated to beyond AC/SO. e.f. othe unafdiliated ccTLDs etc.,
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:exactly OCL
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:BTW I have switched hand sets from my phone system since the isues with my audio earlier I think that has helped
Seun Ojedeji:okay that is clear now
Loris Taylor:When is the decision to be made on the operation?
Seun Ojedeji:sorry i did not get response on the Budget part
Seun Ojedeji:does ICANN present its budget to NTIA seperately?
Alan Greenberg:@Loris, RFP3b is being convened to discuss option. Nothing further is decided.
Loris Taylor:Thank you Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:@seun no it does not present a budget as such costs are disclosed and more called for details exist but it is publication of costs. and a component of normal overall ICANN budget development process.
Terri Agnew:Welcome Jean-Jacques Subrenat
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I am quite happy with developing/ e/poling an IANA SO in a future model. BTW
Seun Ojedeji:okay thanks...Cheryl that helps streamline the role of and need for MRT
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Thanks Terri. All: sorry for being late, just got back home from other obligations.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes Olivier. a INSO could be what MRT is in an external to ICANN soln.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Eduardo +1.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Re Fatimas 's last question a INSO or RT solves the need for incorporstion needs
Eduardo Diaz:I know that naming of an organization may not be importnat at this time but the more we use whatever name we slect to use the more a message we send out with it. Organizations with the SO last name points out to policy, ACs advisory and that is. It really does not matter if they have or not developed policy at all. Sos are not overseeing operations at all (as far as I know.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Eduardo: again, +1.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier about separability: if not absolutely "one of the principles", at least we should keep that option open.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:it is a principle that's already been agreed
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier about "in perpetuum": indeed, as representatives of the users' community, we should insist on that.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alan: in that case, could ALAC not say "we're not final about any specific solution, but from the user point of view, we consider that..."
Eduardo Diaz:I think that by having details for how to achieve separativty in the ICANN Internal solution will give the rfp3b proposal big teeths
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Seun, could you please just summarize? Many thanks! ;-)
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Seun: that's what Alan was saying.
Seun Ojedeji:Yeah @Jean, however there is a saying that silence may not necessarily mean agreement....so i had to indicate my support in the way i also understand it.
Seun Ojedeji:;-)
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Seun, you're right! ;-)
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alan on overriding the Board: agreed.
Jimmy Schulz:agreed
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alan on dismissal/recall: agreed. In fact, the Board Chair can contact the Chair of an SO or AC to suggest recall.
Seun Ojedeji:Agreed, while i remain positive however if we are not able to figure out an acceptable way to get board to comply then i would say we just have to look at where to shelf the contract in an existing body (with the IETF trust perhaps). So i think while we work on our internal to ICANN proposal we also need to keep and eye on what contracting route will be least complicated
Gordon Chillcott:I very much dislike the idea of "spilling the Board", for the reasons Alan brought up.
Seun Ojedeji:I agree OCL, the process to removing the board should be difficult - it should not be easy!
Fatima Cambronero:+1 @Seun
Loris Taylor:Don't the Bylaws describe how board members can be instituted and released? Or will it require an addendum or new provision?
Fatima Cambronero:I think it will requires and addendum, @Loris
Seun Ojedeji:lost audio
Fatima Cambronero:*an addendum
Terri Agnew:@Seun, dialing back out to you
Seun Ojedeji:@Loris i think the bylaw will need to be reviewed +1 to Fatima
Terri Agnew:@Seun, you are back on telephone
Seun Ojedeji:thanks Terri
Seun Ojedeji:Perhpaps i should also mention that some community accountability needs to be in place...i don't see for instance why just 1 SO/AC wants to remove its board member, there should be a collective consensus with each SO/AC acting concurrently
Jimmy Schulz:sorry I´ve got to leave the call
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye Jimmy
Fatima Cambronero:I agree with @JJ just I am not sure if the decision should not be appealable....
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier: indeed, that is a leverage, at least in theory.
Seun Ojedeji:Okay i have to leave now
Seun Ojedeji:thanks
Fatima Cambronero:bye @Seun
Terri Agnew:goodbye Seun
Eduardo Diaz:ok
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:amputation = remedial act ?
Fatima Cambronero:@JJ mmm for me it is not the same thing
Eduardo Diaz:So, to me it removing the board is remedial and do not provide for separability.
Eduardo Diaz:Separability for me is moving IANA fucntions outside ICANN
Alan Greenberg:@JJS, Yes! gangrene or flesh-eating bacteria are sufficiently serious to warrant amputation.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Eduardo: yes these are 2 different issues, but in the short term overriding or removing the Board could favour separability.
Terri Agnew:CCWG Accountability: https://community.icann.org/x/IIMHAw
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alan: thanks, note taken.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Cheryl: thanks, note taken.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Thanks, I'm going early to bed, then...
Fatima Cambronero:so when the CWG is going to send the proposal to the ICG?
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Doodle
Gordon Chillcott:Doodle
Fatima Cambronero:thanks @Sabrina & @Veronica?
Loris Taylor:Doodle
Fatima Cambronero:!
Fatima Cambronero:Doodle
Yasuichi Kitamura:yes.
Alberto Soto: Thanks @Sabrina y @Veronica!!
Yasuichi Kitamura:i will be in Bangkok between 19 and 23.
Fatima Cambronero:22?
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Alan, every day is ALAC Chair day!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Bye all!
Loris Taylor:Thank you!
Yasuichi Kitamura:bye all
Gordon Chillcott:Thank you and bye all.
Fatima Cambronero:thanks all, bye
Alberto Soto:Thanks!! Bye!!
