Zoom chat: 2019-05-23 LACRALO Governance WG

15:42:24 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome to the LACRALO Governance Working Group Call
15:50:33 From silvia.vivanco : Hola a todos
15:50:38 From silvia.vivanco : Welcome all
15:50:42 From silvia.vivanco : We are still gathering
15:50:44 From Jose Arce : Hola Silvia
15:50:52 From silvia.vivanco : we will start in 10 minutes
15:51:06 From silvia.vivanco : Hola Jose Bienvenido! Es un gusto saludarte
15:51:25 From silvia.vivanco : Esperaremos 10 minutos
15:51:39 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : hola a todos/as
15:51:50 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : zoom va a ser en español o ingles?
15:53:08 From Claudia Ruiz : Hola, va ser en espanol
15:54:03 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : petrfecto entonces prefieren llamarme o que me conecte por aca?
15:54:14 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : creo quie se escuchaba mejor por aca
15:54:45 From Claudia Ruiz : @Sergio, Si pro favor conectar por zoom
15:54:48 From Claudia Ruiz : gracias
15:55:15 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : ok genial
15:58:33 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : hola a todos
15:59:08 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : Hola Silvia, y Lilian!
15:59:14 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : hi Heidi
15:59:19 From silvia.vivanco : Hola Sergio
15:59:24 From silvia.vivanco : Bienvenidos
16:00:35 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : hola humberto!
16:01:05 From Harold Arcos : Hi everyone,,,,Saludos a todos!!
16:01:06 From Vanda Scartezini : hola todos
16:01:31 From Harold Arcos : gracias Claudia,,,saludos
16:01:52 From Vanda Scartezini : gracias
16:03:37 From silvia.vivanco : Welcome Dev!
16:05:09 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : welcome Dev!
16:06:46 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome Carlton
16:07:24 From Vanda Scartezini : hi Dev, Carlton
16:07:27 From Claudia Ruiz : Apologies, Welcome Jacqueline
16:07:37 From Claudia Ruiz : not Carlton
16:09:43 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome Carlton
16:13:02 From silvia.vivanco : Osea se consideran las 4 posiciones, las condiciones para postular serian? Por que regiones? Ósea los detalles serian necesarios y detalles de votación
16:17:09 From Carlton Samuels : Hello all, I'm on the Adigo centre
16:17:19 From silvia.vivanco : Welcome Carlton!
16:17:58 From Jose Arce : Es cierto lo de Humberto, habria que dejarlo para Octubre. No vamos a solucionar esto ahora
16:21:57 From Jose Arce : Carlton hizo de Abogado del Diablo :) Me parece bien. Pero demos una solucion sencilla
16:22:21 From Heidi Ullrich : @Carlton, does the rotation principle need to be agreed to before this election? Can the order of the rotation between now and end of October?
16:22:57 From silvia.vivanco : is there any region “excluded” for this current election?
16:22:57 From Carlton Samuels : No Sergio, the old Operating principles and the Old Rules of Procedure did not allow re-election!!
16:23:37 From Jacqueline Morris : Carlton said it as I understand it. We are agreed that the incumbent can run again. We are agreed that we will vote for Chair and Secretary elect. We only need to agree on the order of position.
16:24:43 From Jacqueline Morris : And these amendments of the RoP can be done very quickly, followed by election.
16:24:46 From Carlton Samuels : There is ONE issue, the ROTATION Principle!
16:25:01 From Heidi Ullrich : @Jacquiline, when does the rotation principle need to be agreed?
16:25:15 From Heidi Ullrich : Can it be discussed between now and 30 October?
16:25:19 From Jacqueline Morris : Now. How hard can it be?
16:25:40 From Jacqueline Morris : It's only 4 regions, two are already set .
16:25:49 From Carlton Samuels : Can anybody tell me this: 1) DO WE agree there are four FOUR subregions?
16:25:53 From Heidi Ullrich : I’m hearing that the principle needs discussion and approval throughout LACRALO.
16:26:36 From Jacqueline Morris : Does anyone disagree with the principle that the positions should rotate throuought the regions?
16:26:39 From Carlton Samuels : Yes Vanda, I want ALL submitted for election
16:27:02 From silvia.vivanco : Vanda ES in ES please
16:27:10 From silvia.vivanco : You are speaking EN in ES channel
16:27:14 From Jacqueline Morris : That is the "rotation principle".
16:27:36 From silvia.vivanco : solo hablar en ESPANOL en ES
16:27:40 From silvia.vivanco : Por favor
16:28:24 From silvia.vivanco : solo se eligen 2 posiciones NUEVAS VC, VS y ALAC como siempre
16:28:29 From Jose Arce : Vanda, Carlton confirmo lo que preguntabas
16:29:32 From Vanda Scartezini : ok understood Carlton
16:30:28 From Lance Hinds : Carlton is correct
16:30:32 From Vanda Scartezini : I suggest to make it simply alphabetic
16:31:46 From Vanda Scartezini : use alphabetic order to make it simple
16:32:01 From Jacqueline Morris : Not a problem for me, Vanda.
16:32:18 From Vanda Scartezini : so we are all in agreement i believe
16:32:45 From Heidi Ullrich : So according to Carlton, the election would be: Chair A - Mercosur; Harold - Sec (2; Andes)
16:32:49 From Vanda Scartezini : subsequent region
16:33:01 From Jacqueline Morris : I have been saying that for weeks now, Vanda
16:33:27 From Heidi Ullrich : so then Chair elect might be 3; Central America; and Sec Elect might be 4; Caribbean
16:33:38 From Vanda Scartezini : en 2020 in my opinion
16:33:40 From Heidi Ullrich : What about the ALAC member and the NomCom Delegate?
16:33:51 From silvia.vivanco : Exactly that is what I understood Heidi
16:35:18 From Jacqueline Morris : Same thing, Heidi. Bartlett's successor will come from the next region in order - probably Central America?
16:35:19 From Vanda Scartezini : en english: Andes ( 1) Caribbean Island (2) Central America ( 3) Mercosur (4)
16:35:40 From Heidi Ullrich : So Bartlett would be re-appointed as well as Humberto ?
16:36:39 From Jacqueline Morris : No, Bartlett gives up now, and the new ALAC member will be from Central America, and then when Humberto gives up his position next year, it goes to the next region
16:36:56 From Heidi Ullrich : @Vanda, that number is not what Carlton said. He said : 1 = Mercosur; 2 = Andes; 3 = Central America; and 4) Caribbean
16:37:30 From Vanda Scartezini : he was make an example
16:37:38 From Vanda Scartezini : heidi
16:38:14 From Heidi Ullrich : So if we use Carlton’s numbering, Bartlett (4; Caribbean; that means it would go to 1 (Mercosur), right?
16:38:41 From Jacqueline Morris : That was an example from Carlton...
16:38:43 From Heidi Ullrich : So a rotation in order of 1, 2, 3, 4
16:38:51 From Heidi Ullrich : The person in 4 goes to 1
16:38:55 From Vanda Scartezini : my suggestion is alphabetic order to make it simple
16:38:56 From Heidi Ullrich : etc
16:39:17 From Heidi Ullrich : A, B, C, D /1,2,3,,4 - doesn’t matter
16:40:10 From Heidi Ullrich : So, to understand, the Chair (A) and Sec (B) would not run this election. They would be re-appointed.
16:40:25 From Heidi Ullrich : so the Chair-Elect would come from B or C?
16:40:42 From Vanda Scartezini : Heidi, yes it is done we need to suggest the order.
16:41:03 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : I Sigh, this is quite confusing
16:41:04 From Heidi Ullrich : Would the Secretary Elect come from C?
16:41:19 From Heidi Ullrich : Let’s keep working to get it straight
16:42:01 From Vanda Scartezini : estamos todos de acuerdo… vamos a acordar en la order y partimos de ai con base en lo que tenemos claro en la mediacion
16:42:14 From Heidi Ullrich : @Carlton/Jacqueline, where would you see the two Vice -Chairs should come from?
16:42:44 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Hand raised
16:42:59 From Jacqueline Morris : Heidi, it depends on the order that we agree on.
16:43:16 From Diego Acosta Bastidas : Disculpas por la tardanza en el registro de Zoom, en audio lo estuve desde un comienzo. Saludos a tod@s Diego Acosta Bastidas Cultura libre y Software Libre del Ecuador
16:43:42 From silvia.vivanco : Bienvenido Diego
16:44:01 From Vanda Scartezini : no lo creo fue el acordado en la Mediacion
16:44:36 From Jacqueline Morris : Lowered
16:44:49 From Jacqueline Morris : yes
16:46:27 From Harold Arcos : Dear Jacqueline; most regional members agreed with Rotation Principle,,,we approved Operating Principles by Consensus 21 December 2018.
16:46:37 From Carlton Samuels : @Heidi: In my view I would use alphabetic symbol. A for Andean, B, for Central America C for Caribbean and D for Merusaur. I would fix the order as A-B-C-D. Seeing Sergio is in Mercusaur (D) then Sub-Region A would supply the next Chair. So the Chair-Elect would be from A.
16:47:47 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : agree carlton
16:47:53 From Jacqueline Morris : Agree
16:48:04 From Carlton Samuels : Similarly with Secretariat. Seeing Harold is from Sub-region A, we look for the Secretariat-Elect from Subregion B.
16:48:16 From Vanda Scartezini : i agree Carlton - this will be alphabetic and it will be simple to understand by all members when we will explain our agreeemnt
16:50:33 From Vanda Scartezini : + 1 Humberto estoy en la misma posición que tu
16:50:34 From Heidi Ullrich : So, could we agree to: Chair - Sergio A/Mercosur; Secretary - Harold (B/Andes); Chair-Elect - C/Central America; Secretary-Elect - D/Caribbean; ALAC - Currently D - goes to A/Mercosur; NomCom Delegate - currently D - goes to A/Mercosur
16:50:54 From Heidi Ullrich : This would go along with the rotation principle A, B, C, D
16:51:06 From Harold Arcos : Dear Carlton,,,I understand that would be your first proposal about "How-Order" rotation will be apply?
16:51:33 From Carlton Samuels : Seeing the ALAC position for election is now in C, the nominee should be domiciled in D. SO there would be 2 elected officers from Subregion D. I would add a provision that the ALAC member be from a different country in the subregion than the elected Chair.
16:52:05 From silvia.vivanco : 10 minutos
16:52:17 From Vanda Scartezini : I agree Carlton
16:52:19 From Heidi Ullrich : @Carlton, C is Central America I though; D is Caribbean
16:52:30 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : @ heidi no
16:52:37 From Vanda Scartezini : conte conmigo Sergio
16:52:48 From Heidi Ullrich : That is what I understood
16:52:57 From Heidi Ullrich : Please say your order in A, B, C, D
16:53:41 From Carlton Samuels : @Heidi: It is the reason why we have to agree on the naming and the order!. My order as I said is A-B-C-D.
16:54:24 From Heidi Ullrich : Yes, I know. I wrote down what you said: A = Mercosur; B = Andes; C = Central America and D = Caribbean
16:54:48 From Heidi Ullrich : Is this correct? Dev is saying it is not
16:55:06 From Vanda Scartezini : lets keep with Carlton suggestion on alphabetic Heidi, more easy to explain to all members
16:55:08 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : el termino de este periodo es 2020 0 2021?
16:55:13 From Carlton Samuels : A=Andean, B=Central America C=Clarendon D=Mercosaur
16:55:24 From Vanda Scartezini : + ! CARLTON !!!
16:55:26 From Jacqueline Morris : Caribbean, not Clarendon
16:55:38 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : +1 carlton
16:56:19 From Carlton Samuels : *C=Caribbean, not Clarendon. Clarendon is my hoime parish
16:56:31 From Harold Arcos : Dear member the Regions are (please check):
A= Central A.
B= Andes
C= Caribean
D= Mercosur.
16:56:32 From silvia.vivanco : :)
16:57:24 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : no la de carlton no es asi
16:57:42 From Vanda Scartezini : si ALPHABETIC
16:58:07 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : No, look at the Op
16:58:09 From Jacqueline Morris : Can we use numbers instead of letters?
16:58:17 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : the letters of the region are in the OP
16:58:25 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Numbers would make it worse
16:58:34 From Heidi Ullrich : We have agreed to letters
16:58:34 From silvia.vivanco : Si estamos anotando
16:58:53 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : From Carlton Samuels to Everyone: 06:55 PM A=Andean, B=Central America C=Clarendon D=Mercosaur
16:59:06 From Vanda Scartezini : perfecto
16:59:15 From Jacqueline Morris : C- Caribbean
16:59:17 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : The OP has this : 7.2.a – The region is divided into four (4) subregions comprising the following countries: A) Central America and Mexico: Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Mexico andPanama. B) Andes: Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru andVenezuela. C) Caribbean: Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Cuba, Dominica, Grenada, Guyana, Haiti, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Saint Vincent and The Grenadines, St. Lucia, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Suriname, and Trinidad and Tobago D) Mercosur: Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay andUruguay.
16:59:18 From Heidi Ullrich : Yes, they are asking for how the Chair-elect, Sec-elect, ALAC and NomCom would go to
16:59:22 From Jacqueline Morris : Not Clarendon
16:59:23 From Carlton Samuels : Chair goes D=>A=>B=>C=>
16:59:35 From Harold Arcos : 7.2.a – La región está dividida en cuatro (4) sub-regiones que comprenden los siguientes
países:
A) América Central y México: Belice, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras,
Nicaragua, México y Panamá.
B) Andes: Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Perú y Venezuela.
C) Caribe: Antigua y Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Cuba, Dominica, Granada, Guyana, Haití,
Jamaica, República Dominicana, San Vicente y las Granadinas, Santa Lucía, San Cristóbal y
Nieves, Surinam, y Trinidad y Tobago
D) Mercosur: Argentina, Brasil, Paraguay y Uruguay.
7.2.b - Los cargos de liderazgo de LACRALO son los siguientes: presidente y vicepresidente,
secretario y vicesecretario, miembro del ALAC (2), miembro ante ALAC elegido por el
NomCom (1).
17:00:14 From Heidi Ullrich : So Current Chair is D - so Chair Elect would go to A (Andean)
17:01:00 From Jose Arce : +1 Carlton
17:01:13 From Heidi Ullrich : Current Secretary is A/Andean - So Sec Elect would come from B/Central America
17:02:01 From Heidi Ullrich : ALAC rep/Bartlett is from C/Caribbean - so for this election cycle - ALAC rep would come from D/Mercosur
17:02:39 From Heidi Ullrich : But NOT Argentina
17:02:48 From Heidi Ullrich : as current Chair is from Argentina
17:02:48 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : esta claro carlton
17:04:21 From Vanda Scartezini : exact Carlton not only our position !! nomcom review says this
17:04:23 From Heidi Ullrich : NomCom Delegate is currently C/Caribbean - is in a ‘two year” term - but needs to be re-elected
17:04:46 From Heidi Ullrich : But in 2020 would come from D/Mercorsur
17:05:12 From Vanda Scartezini : Heidi, the nomcom review states 2 years so no much problem here
17:05:25 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : NO
17:05:30 From Heidi Ullrich : can use your green ticks
17:05:31 From silvia.vivanco : Flecha VERDE
17:05:33 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Because it needs to be documented
17:05:45 From silvia.vivanco : PLEASE CLICK GREEN if agree
17:05:45 From Jose Arce : +1
17:05:52 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : yo
17:05:58 From Harold Arcos : paso la palabra,,,listo
17:06:08 From Heidi Ullrich : @Dev, this is an informal vote I believe
17:06:16 From Heidi Ullrich : So assuming it will be documented
17:06:24 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : then I abstain, because I don't understand
17:06:27 From Heidi Ullrich : we all want this to be in a text form I’m sure
17:06:28 From silvia.vivanco : SI ESTA DE ACUERDO YES
17:06:31 From Harold Arcos : José Arce lo hizo a través del chat.
17:06:32 From Jose Arce : Voton Verde
17:06:32 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : I want to see it documented
17:06:34 From silvia.vivanco : SI NO NO ROJO
17:06:37 From Lance Hinds : Not seeing it
17:07:09 From Diego Acosta Bastidas : Voto SI
17:07:35 From Harold Arcos : Diego está votando vía chat.
17:07:47 From Marcelo Rodriguez : Voto SI
17:08:01 From Diego Acosta Bastidas : Diego Acosta Bastidas VOTO SI
17:08:50 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : diego vota en la flecha verde al lado de la mano
17:09:07 From silvia.vivanco : 11 voted YES
17:09:16 From Humberto Carrasco : excellent
17:09:42 From Vanda Scartezini : cierto la solución vencedora es la de Carlton
17:09:42 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : excelente, construir consenso
17:09:50 From Diego Acosta Bastidas : Xfa su comprensión estoy desde el celular y no aparece el.visto. Voté SI Atte Diego Acosta Bastidas
17:09:52 From Jose Arce : Saludos a toodos
17:09:56 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Please document it
17:10:04 From Jose Arce : y porfin se avanza
17:10:14 From Jacqueline Morris : Lovely. Thank you all! Now to move ahead.
17:10:19 From Vanda Scartezini : congratulaciones
17:10:21 From Heidi Ullrich : Thanks, All!
17:10:32 From Heidi Ullrich : Silvia is able to document it if that is ok
17:10:40 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : ahora si a avanzar, la unión hace la fuerza
17:11:00 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : We are hearing you Sergion
17:11:15 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : the interpreters are translating
17:11:19 From Jacqueline Morris : Sergio, I'm in meetings all day tomororw, so can't do a call.
17:11:38 From Harold Arcos : Yes Jacqueline! is a great step
17:11:42 From silvia.vivanco : Poner musica en mudo
17:12:00 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO :
ok agree Carlton
17:12:07 From Vanda Scartezini : agreed Carlton
17:12:21 From Vanda Scartezini : ANDES e vice secretario Central America
17:13:17 From Jacqueline Morris : That is very clear. Thanks Carlton
17:13:36 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : very clear thanks
17:13:48 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : el pasado es pasado avancemos
17:13:53 From Heidi Ullrich : @Sergio, could Harold and you work with Silvia on documenting?
17:14:16 From Heidi Ullrich : And then go to a vote for the three positions?
17:14:35 From Harold Arcos : Surely @Heidi
17:14:51 From Heidi Ullrich : Gracias/Thanks! I don’t have Google translate open ;)
17:15:04 From Vanda Scartezini : perfecto buenas noches a todos
17:15:08 From Harold Arcos : is the next step,,,
17:15:25 From Jacqueline Morris : Thanks everyone. Good night to everyone.
17:15:41 From Vanda Scartezini : pero primero circula lo que esta escrito con este grupo
17:15:59 From Vanda Scartezini : antes de enviar a toda la region
17:16:02 From Harold Arcos : De acuerdo Vanda,,,
17:16:19 From Jacqueline Morris : Yes Vanda. Let's make sure that the documentation is what we agreed to before sending to the wider list.
17:16:20 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : gracias a todos, feliz noche a todos
17:16:21 From Vanda Scartezini : gracias Harold.
17:16:52 From Vanda Scartezini : abrazos
17:16:56 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : bye
17:16:59 From Jacqueline Morris : Bye
17:17:02 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : bye everyone
17:17:04 From Harold Arcos : muchas gracias,,,saludos a todos,,,
17:17:12 From Diego Acosta Bastidas : Thanks and fraternals regards.from.Ecuador. Diego Acosta Bastidas Cultura libre y Software libre del Ecuador
17:17:19 From Harold Arcos : bye everyone,,,,thanks a lot to our interpreters,
17:17:20 From Adrian Carballo : Gracias a Todos
17:17:30 From Heidi Ullrich : Thanks/Gracias!
17:17:52 From Marcelo Rodriguez : gracias . saludos